Silver Lining: Tyler Wilson is going to have some W-E-A-P-O-N-S

[kerouac9]

This season is going to be a pretty nightmarish 6-10 type year. More nightmarish than some in the past, because we got two-thirds of our wins out of the way in the first month of the season, and now we have a bunch of tough games ahead of us, with little respite and a lot of tough home opponents. But there is a silver lining: Tyler Wilson is going to have some great skill possession weapons to throw to, and a solid-ish line in front of him to buy him time.

IMO, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Roberts, Michael Floyd, Early Doucet, and Rob Housler are a Top 10 receiving corps in the NFL. It might be Top 5--along with the Cowboys, Packers, Falcons, and Giants (I didn't think very hard about this; give me a break).

Levi Brown, Daryn Colledge, Lyle Sendlein, Adam Snyder, and Bobbie Massie will be an adequate starting line that can/could be improved with a mid-round draft pick at OG and the continued development of Senio Kelemete and Nate Potter.

The offense is going to take off with an adequate signal caller under center. It could be really good if Ryan Williams and Beanie Wells can stay healthy.

I think that the Cards would be better off cutting ties to Kevin Kolb rather than force a restructure on him, but the quarterback situation has to be improved this offseason. The other question is what to do in the backfield. The Cards have to add a legitimate player who can be productive on 250 carries. I think the Cards should invest a 1st round pick in a QB and a 3rd or 4th round pick in a running back and that one of Beanie Wells or Ryan Williams should probably not be on the roster after training camp.

We can't go into the 2013 season with the top two running backs on the roster being medical red flags.

 

[bankybruce]

This season is going to be a pretty nightmarish 6-10 type year. More nightmarish than some in the past, because we got two-thirds of our wins out of the way in the first month of the season, and now we have a bunch of tough games ahead of us, with little respite and a lot of tough home opponents. But there is a silver lining: Tyler Wilson is going to have some great skill possession weapons to throw to, and a solid-ish line in front of him to buy him time.

IMO, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Roberts, Michael Floyd, Early Doucet, and Rob Housler are a Top 10 receiving corps in the NFL. It might be Top 5--along with the Cowboys, Packers, Falcons, and Giants (I didn't think very hard about this; give me a break).

Levi Brown, Daryn Colledge, Lyle Sendlein, Adam Snyder, and Bobbie Massie will be an adequate starting line that can/could be improved with a mid-round draft pick at OG and the continued development of Senio Kelemete and Nate Potter.

The offense is going to take off with an adequate signal caller under center. It could be really good if Ryan Williams and Beanie Wells can stay healthy.

I think that the Cards would be better off cutting ties to Kevin Kolb rather than force a restructure on him, but the quarterback situation has to be improved this offseason. The other question is what to do in the backfield. The Cards have to add a legitimate player who can be productive on 250 carries. I think the Cards should invest a 1st round pick in a QB and a 3rd or 4th round pick in a running back and that one of Beanie Wells or Ryan Williams should probably not be on the roster after training camp.

We can't go into the 2013 season with the top two running backs on the roster being medical red flags.

You just got me all excited for the 2013 season.

One question though, it Potter shows improvment, what about moving Levi to guard and targeting a replacement for Sendlein instead of G.

 

[kerouac9]

You just got me all excited for the 2013 season.

One question though, it Potter shows improvment, what about moving Levi to guard and targeting a replacement for Sendlein instead of G.

Levi Brown is not a guard. He's too big and too slow to play guard in our system. He's never played guard in his career, like, ever. It's unlikely that Nate Potter ever becomes as good a complete tackle than Levi Brown is right now.

It's time for this zombie suggestion to get an arrow in the head.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Levi Brown is not a guard. He's too big and too slow to play guard in our system. He's never played guard in his career, like, ever. It's unlikely that Nate Potter ever becomes as good a complete tackle than Levi Brown is right now.

It's time for this zombie suggestion to get an arrow in the head.

 

[bankybruce]

Levi Brown is not a guard. He's too big and too slow to play guard in our system. He's never played guard in his career, like, ever. It's unlikely that Nate Potter ever becomes as good a complete tackle than Levi Brown is right now.

It's time for this zombie suggestion to get an arrow in the head.

That is good to know. It has been brought up in the past so I was curious about it, that is the only reason I asked.

 

[Mulli]

Levi Brown is not a guard. He's too big and too slow to play guard in our system. He's never played guard in his career, like, ever. It's unlikely that Nate Potter ever becomes as good a complete tackle than Levi Brown is right now.

It's time for this zombie suggestion to get an arrow in the head.

Man, Levi Brown and Leonard Davis at guard and Reggie Wells at C would have ruled.

 

[BigRedRage]

potter and the current RT will battle for the RT position. LT will be Levi.

 

[Chopper0080]

This season is going to be a pretty nightmarish 6-10 type year. More nightmarish than some in the past, because we got two-thirds of our wins out of the way in the first month of the season, and now we have a bunch of tough games ahead of us, with little respite and a lot of tough home opponents. But there is a silver lining: Tyler Wilson is going to have some great skill possession weapons to throw to, and a solid-ish line in front of him to buy him time.

IMO, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Roberts, Michael Floyd, Early Doucet, and Rob Housler are a Top 10 receiving corps in the NFL. It might be Top 5--along with the Cowboys, Packers, Falcons, and Giants (I didn't think very hard about this; give me a break).

Levi Brown, Daryn Colledge, Lyle Sendlein, Adam Snyder, and Bobbie Massie will be an adequate starting line that can/could be improved with a mid-round draft pick at OG and the continued development of Senio Kelemete and Nate Potter.

The offense is going to take off with an adequate signal caller under center. It could be really good if Ryan Williams and Beanie Wells can stay healthy.

I think that the Cards would be better off cutting ties to Kevin Kolb rather than force a restructure on him, but the quarterback situation has to be improved this offseason. The other question is what to do in the backfield. The Cards have to add a legitimate player who can be productive on 250 carries. I think the Cards should invest a 1st round pick in a QB and a 3rd or 4th round pick in a running back and that one of Beanie Wells or Ryan Williams should probably not be on the roster after training camp.

We can't go into the 2013 season with the top two running backs on the roster being medical red flags.

I agree that it looks like Tyler Wilson will be the option for the Cardinals in the first round, and I agree that we have developed a pretty good group of skill players for him to come in and be successful with.

On RB, I think we might need to draft two, though I would prefer to sign Chris Ivory in FA. Wells has injury concerns and is heading into a contract year which is a concern, and Ryan Williams has been an injured wreck to this point. I am not interested in adding a high pick RB, but I think a mid rounder like Kenjon Barner from Oregon would be great to give our running game a bit of explosion. Lets face it, no matter how our offensive line develops, we will struggle if we need to put together 8-12 plays drives to score. Adding Barner would give us a return man, a third down back in passing downs, and a big play back with experience running between the tackles. He is tough.

On our offensive line, I agree our OTs situation is better than at first glance. I think we have will have a legit competition at LT next year between Levi Brown and Nate Potter. Potter deosn;t really fit our mold of offensive tackles, but he has really improved his strength from last year in college and if he can continue to improve over the offseason, our line might be best with him at LT and Brown at RT while Massie improves. Not a given, but is worth watching. Our interior is a mess and we disagree here. A better player needs to be added inside either at OG or OC for this line to be better. Even with a better QB, these guys still give up a ton of QB hits which will make it tough on a young signal caller. I think we add a 2nd or 3rd OG/OC OR sign another one in FA.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We can't go into the 2013 season with the top two running backs on the roster being medical red flags.

the next time the Cardinals realize depending on chronically injured players is bad policy will be the first.

 

[Mulli]

the next time the Cardinals realize depending on chronically injured players is bad policy will be the first.

Kurt Warner!! Just kidding.

 

[Assface]

I'm on board with this. Should be some good G prospects available for our second round pick.

 

[Bodha]

Levi Brown, Daryn Colledge, Lyle Sendlein, Adam Snyder, and Bobbie Massie will be an adequate starting line
.

Didnt realize Chad Grimm was a member of the board.


These guys have given up 41 sacks in 9 games, but they are a good group. Coach em up. Theyll be alright.

 

[Mulli]

Didnt realize Chad Grimm was a member of the board.


These guys have given up 41 sacks in 9 games, but they are a good group. Coach em up. Theyll be alright.

The system works?

 

[Chopper0080]

I'm on board with this. Should be some good G prospects available for our second round pick.

I would to see us draft Jonathan Cooper out of North carolina with that pic, but if he isn't available, my second choice would be OC Travis Frederick out of Wisconsin. He plays OC, but can also play OG.

 

[Bodha]

The system works?

Dude, just be patient. Russ is a HOFr, he knows what hes doing.

 

[Chopper0080]

Didnt realize Chad Grimm was a member of the board.


These guys have given up 41 sacks in 9 games, but they are a good group. Coach em up. Theyll be alright.

Better QB play will help the offensive line along with our tackle positions being upgraded by the return of Levi Brown and the developement of Massie and Potter. I share your concern regarding the interior of the offensive line however.

 

[WildBB]

: Tyler Wilson is going to have some great skill possession weapons to throw to, and a solid-ish line in front of him to buy him time.

Levi Brown, Daryn Colledge, Lyle Sendlein, Adam Snyder, and Bobbie Massie will be an adequate starting line that can/could be improved with a mid-round draft pick at OG and the continued development of Senio Kelemete and Nate Potter.
The offense is going to take off with an adequate signal caller under center.
It could be really good if Ryan Williams and Beanie Wells can stay healthy.
We can't go into the 2013 season with the top two running backs on the roster being medical red flags.

Solid-ish is the best you can hope for from that group, and that's contingent on Massie and Potter making real strides on the outside and Kelemete at guard. Paint me skeptical.

If we do take Wilson in the 1st (or any top rated QB) we'd better have some plans to sign a legit LT. And as we know teams do not let them walk much. Hopefully someone like Alberts will leave KC because he's endured enough there and is looking for greener pastures. But throwing a rookie in behind this OL or one with Potter and Kelemete involved somehow is just throwing someone to the wolves. The interior is just about as ineffective (being nice) as the OT's. There isn't much wiggle room anywhere along the line.

Personally I'm leaning towards OL first in the draft and I'd have to say the FO will put that pressure on the current staff to get that done (if we do indeed keep the present staff - or not). Maybe even with the first two picks we have.
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[kerouac9]

I agree that it looks like Tyler Wilson will be the option for the Cardinals in the first round, and I agree that we have developed a pretty good group of skill players for him to come in and be successful with.

On RB, I think we might need to draft two, though I would prefer to sign Chris Ivory in FA. Wells has injury concerns and is heading into a contract year which is a concern, and Ryan Williams has been an injured wreck to this point. I am not interested in adding a high pick RB, but I think a mid rounder like Kenjon Barner from Oregon would be great to give our running game a bit of explosion. Lets face it, no matter how our offensive line develops, we will struggle if we need to put together 8-12 plays drives to score. Adding Barner would give us a return man, a third down back in passing downs, and a big play back with experience running between the tackles. He is tough.

On our offensive line, I agree our OTs situation is better than at first glance. I think we have will have a legit competition at LT next year between Levi Brown and Nate Potter. Potter deosn;t really fit our mold of offensive tackles, but he has really improved his strength from last year in college and if he can continue to improve over the offseason, our line might be best with him at LT and Brown at RT while Massie improves. Not a given, but is worth watching. Our interior is a mess and we disagree here. A better player needs to be added inside either at OG or OC for this line to be better. Even with a better QB, these guys still give up a ton of QB hits which will make it tough on a young signal caller. I think we add a 2nd or 3rd OG/OC OR sign another one in FA.

I'm assuming that we keep LSH at a contract around the veteran minimum. I think he can do all the things that you mention above, as well as free up a resource to improve other areas of the team.

I'm with you on the interior line. I don't think we'll try and upgrade Sendlein unless there's a change in the offensive coaching staff. I think that if we develop Kelemete and add a 2nd round OG, we'll have done a good job building a foundation. The Bucs seemed to do all right running the ball without your boy Nicks yesterday.

What you're really saying is that someone other than Levi Brown needs to be the best player on this OL. I completely agree with you. And that person should probably be a guard. I think the best case scenario is that Adam Snyder gets demoted to swing OG/OT (which is where he'll have value, IMO), either Kelemete or the draft pick takes his job, and Colledge goes from being the best to 2nd worst OL in one season.

 

[kerouac9]

Solid-ish is the best you can hope for from that group, and that's contingent on Massie and Potter making real strides on the outside and Kelemete at guard. Paint me skeptical.

If we do take Wilson in the 1st (or any top rated QB) we'd better have some plans to sign a legit LT. And as we know teams do not let them walk much. Hopefully someone like Alberts will leave KC because he's endured enough there and is looking for greener pastures. But throwing a rookie in behind this OL or one with Potter and Kelemete involved somehow is just throwing someone to the wolves. The interior is just about as ineffective (being nice) as the OT's. There isn't much wiggle room anywhere along the line.

Personally I'm leaning towards OL first in the draft and I'd have to say the FO will put that pressure on the current staff to get that done (if we do indeed keep the present staff - or not). Maybe even with the first two picks we have.
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Levi Brown is a legit LT.

 

[Buckybird]

K9 I really don't think keeping this Oline besides intact is making progress, it's like asking for bad results again IMO. Levi has & always will be an average-below average LT. Move him to RT & draft a LT, try Kelemete at RG & look for nasty dominating center. I still also believe Massey isnt the answer at RT. Blow this Oline up & fix it!!!

I'll still be suprised if we get the chance to draft Wilson, but would welcome it.

 

[kerouac9]

K9 I really don't think keeping this Oline besides intact is making progress, it's like asking for bad results again IMO. Levi has & always will be an average-below average LT. Move him to RT & draft a LT, try Kelemete at RG & look for nasty dominating center. I still also believe Massey isnt the answer at RT. Blow this Oline up & fix it!!!

I'll still be suprised if we get the chance to draft Wilson, but would welcome it.

I'm not doing that. I'm adding Levi Brown and putting another candle on the birthday cake for Massie and Kelemete, plus adding a mid-round guard.

It's really impossible to gauge how bad the OL as a whole was when Batiste was putting no value on the field. I think that it's more difficult to gauge the parts of a line if your just putting in 5 new pieces. If you have the same results, how do you know what the problem is?

Snyder, Colledge, and Brown are going to be on the roster in 2013. That's just the way it has to be.

 

[Buckybird]

Levi Brown is a legit LT.

RT somewhat, LT no! The results we've seen for 3 years say otherwise.

 

[kerouac9]

RT somewhat, LT no! The results we've seen for 3 years say otherwise.

I've seen enough to say that he's part of the solution, not part of the problem, on the OL. Is he great? No. Should he be the best player on your OL? Definitely not. Is he the best guy on our OL right now?

Without question. Replace the horrible parts on your OL before your worry about the parts that are merely bad. Chopper and I disagree on the quality of Daryn Colledge, but I think we can both agree that Brown played better when there was an adequate LG next to him. Colledge, Snyder, Sendlein, and Batiste need to be upgraded/replaced/developed before throwing Levi Brown on the scrap heap.

The time to be disappointed in Levi Brown's draft status is over. Now it's time to look at him for what he is. A decent starting LT making $7 million a year.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

K9 what makes you so sure Wilson will even be available? The Chiefs,

Bills Jaguars, Raiders and Browns could all pick Wilson before us

 

[Chopper0080]

I'm assuming that we keep LSH at a contract around the veteran minimum. I think he can do all the things that you mention above, as well as free up a resource to improve other areas of the team.

I'm with you on the interior line. I don't think we'll try and upgrade Sendlein unless there's a change in the offensive coaching staff. I think that if we develop Kelemete and add a 2nd round OG, we'll have done a good job building a foundation. The Bucs seemed to do all right running the ball without your boy Nicks yesterday.

What you're really saying is that someone other than Levi Brown needs to be the best player on this OL. I completely agree with you. And that person should probably be a guard. I think the best case scenario is that Adam Snyder gets demoted to swing OG/OT (which is where he'll have value, IMO), either Kelemete or the draft pick takes his job, and Colledge goes from being the best to 2nd worst OL in one season.

My personal preference if round 2 would be Jonathan Cooper, but I wouldn't be shocked to see the Cards take a swing player like Barret Jones, Dallas Thomas or Travis Frederick.