Site for year by year Cards draft picks?

[Russ Smith]

Anybody have a link. A guy on the Bronco board is trying to show me how much he knows about the Cardinals and just claimed

"Lord knows Arizona tried to find a tight end. They expended pick after pick on them during Jake's tenure. Can't name one for you though. "

Since I'm so uninformed about the Cards I'm having a hard time coming up with a list of all these TE's we drafted during Jake's tenure.

thanks

 

[SECTION 11]

this is alright. it gives first rounders per team over the years.
it also has a full slate of each year as well.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history


where are ya at? i'd love to see this.

 

[Mrospi]

Jay Tant & Johnny McWilliams come to mind

 

[Alan]

Umm, yeah, they did use that one fifth round pick on the Jenny Jones guy.

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
this is alright. it gives first rounders per team over the years.
it also has a full slate of each year as well.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history


where are ya at? i'd love to see this.

http://www.broncosfreak.com/portal/forum/forumdisplay.php?forumid=3

 

[WizardOfAz]

This might be better:

http://www.drafthistory.com/team-position/cardinals.html

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
this is alright. it gives first rounders per team over the years.
it also has a full slate of each year as well.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history


where are ya at? i'd love to see this.

Thank you sir excellent site, proved my point to a T, 4 TE's taken during Jake's tenure, 2 5th rounders, 2 7th rounders, not exactly expending pick after pick.

I'm still on the Broncosfreak site.

I was doing fine polite bunch of fans and then someone basically told me that I knew nothing about the Cardinals injuries last year, what us injuries and then a series of posts about how Jake was the victim of poor support and won't be in Denver.

Again I think most of the people on that board have reservations but they're basically relying on Shanahan and Portis to make Jake into a player that nobody in Arizona could get.

 

[SECTION 11]

Mike Banks 7th round
Nathan Hodel was drafted as a tight end
Tevita Ofahengaue

Probably a good argument would be along the lines of how many scrub tight ends did the Cards draft vs any other team? Everyone needs camp bodies and special teamers. That's about all we got with tight ends in the draft over the last few years.

 

[HoodieBets]

Did The cards draft gedney?

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
Did The cards draft gedney?

He was signed as a free agent from the Bears.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
Did The cards draft gedney?

Probably but he specifically said during Jake's "tenure" so from 96 to 2002, we drafted 4 TE's, 2 in the 5th, 2 in the 7th.

The only real attempt we made to get a good TE was signing Jones last year. Why, because we knew we had a QB who didn't throw to his TE.

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
He was signed as a free agent from the Bears.

Thanks had a brain fart and couldnt remember.

 

[Tangodnzr]

OK Russ, here's what I found in going back through my Sporting News Yearbooks for the "Jake years".

In '97, the year Jake was drafted the Cards signed free agent Chris Gedney from the Bears. In '96, under Fassel, and before Jake, they had drafted Jimmy McWilliams...which to my knowledge was the "biggest name" TE they drafted in recent history.

In '98 they drafted Terry Hardy in the 5th round.
That was quite a draft by the way:
1. Wadsworth
2. Chavous
3. Clement
4. Pittman
5. Hardy
6. Waltz
7. Phil Savoy, WR
7. Jomo Cousins
7. Tillman
7. Ron Janes, RB

In '99 the only receiver they drafted was Boston.

2000 - Jay Tant

2001- Tevita Ofanhengaue, Mr. Irrelelvant.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Jay Tant was a 5th Rounder, and the comment on him in sporting news said: "expected to compete for the #3 position". LOL

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
OK Russ, here's what I found in going back through my Sporting News Yearbooks for the "Jake years".

In '97, the year Jake was drafted the Cards signed free agent Chris Gedney from the Bears. In '96, under Fassel, and before Jake, they had drafted Jimmy McWilliams...which to my knowledge was the "biggest name" TE they drafted in recent history.

In '98 they drafted Terry Hardy in the 5th round.
That was quite a draft by the way:
1. Wadsworth
2. Chavous
3. Clement
4. Pittman
5. Hardy
6. Waltz
7. Phil Savoy, WR
7. Jomo Cousins
7. Tillman
7. Ron Janes, RB

In '99 the only receiver they drafted was Boston.

2000 - Jay Tant

2001- Tevita Ofanhengaue, Mr. Irrelelvant.

Thanks Tango. They took Mike Banks in 2002 he was the 4th, in the 7th round.

I included in my list Gedney(who jake inherited) and even Tywan Mitchell.

Basically the guy was trying to say the WCO failed in ARizona because we never found a RB or a TE that allowed the offense to work.

He didn't know what years we ran the WCO, had no idea who all these TE's were we supposedly drafted.

One guys said the WCO failed because we failed to support it by drafting or signing guys to help the offense! Yep I guess all the money was spent building the defense during those years which explains why we've been such a defensive juggernaut the last 3 seasons!

Man start training camp I'm getting bored (-:

 

[Wild Card]

Originally posted by Russ Smith
A guy on the Bronco board is trying to show me how much he knows about the Cardinals and just claimed, "Lord knows Arizona tried to find a tight end. They expended pick after pick on them during Jake's tenure. Can't name one for you though." Since I'm so uninformed about the Cards I'm having a hard time coming up with a list of all these TE's we drafted during Jake's tenure.

Russ:

Seems like free agent tight ends should be included in this discussion, doesn't it? Freddie Jones was, by consensus, the best TE available when the Cards signed him before last season. Blake's already found Jones more often in minicamp than Plummer did all last year.

Previously, didn't the Cards sign Steve Bush, in part, because of his supposed rapport with Jake from their ASU days?

Johnny McWilliams, spectacular bust that he was, pre-dated Plummer (1996, Rd3, #3, 64th overall). The Cardinals also selected Jarius Hayes in the same draft (Rd7, #3, 212th). During Jake's tenure, the Cards selected: Terry Hardy ('98, Rd5, #2, 125th); Jay Tant ('00, Rd5, #35, 164th); Tevita Ofahengaue ('01, Rd7, #46, 246th); and Mike Banks ('02, Rd7, #12, 223rd).

My take is, McWilliams was expected to take over from Chris Gedney, the team had hopes that Hardy and Tant would develop, and Jones was signed as a proven starter who could be immediately productive. The rest of these guys seem like position depth, special teamers, and/ or camp bodies.

What was this guy's point, anyway? That Plummer never had a good TE to throw to? As far as I'm concerned, last season deals with that question. With his WR corps decimated, and with Freddie Jones the most experienced receiver in a Cardinals uniform, Jake *still* couldn't find the TE. Shannon Sharpe better wear flashing lights.

WC

 

[Russ Smith]

Re: Re: Site for year by year Cards draft picks?

Originally posted by Wild Card

What was this guy's point, anyway? That Plummer never had a good TE to throw to? As far as I'm concerned, last season deals with that question. With his WR corps decimated, and with Freddie Jones the most experienced receiver in a Cardinals uniform, Jake *still* couldn't find the TE. Shannon Sharpe better wear flashing lights.

WC

He was trying to say that the WCO didn't work not becuase of Jake but because of personnel. Didn't have a good enough RB, didn't have a good enough TE etc. He was fine until he informed me of all the TE's we drafted for Jake.

There are several guys on that board who seem to get that Jake is far from a lock. APparently his deal there is actually a 2 year deal not 3 as I posted yesterday. at that point they can opt out of the rest of the deal.

I can't blame them they're as happy to be out from under Griese as I am to be out from under jake. I'm just trying to explain to them they may have just gone from a rock to a hard place.

 

[JeffGollin]

I'm pretty sure we once drafted a dude named Edward G Robinson in the last round of a draft long since forgotten.

 

[FJM]

Whenever a Jake supporter has something to say that might look favorable to Jake the first, second, and third thing we hear from you guys is.....it's over, Jake's gone, he's history, live with it, etc. Now here are the Jake bashers in late June bringing up Jake once again under the guise of a tight end conversation. Gee, I thought we brought in the "little fella" to go deep with his strong arm, not for dumping passes to the TE?????

You know what I think...........you guys are highly concerned not only over Jake but how that "little fella" will do as our QB. Over the last couple of months a lot of your posts seem like you are trying to reassure yourselves that Graves made the right moves and Jake will surely fail in Denver while the "little fella" will be all pro here in Phoenix.

For the Cards sake I hope you are right.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by FJM
Whenever a Jake supporter has something to say that might look favorable to Jake the first, second, and third thing we hear from you guys is.....it's over, Jake's gone, he's history, live with it, etc. Now here are the Jake bashers in late June bringing up Jake once again under the guise of a tight end conversation. Gee, I thought we brought in the "little fella" to go deep with his strong arm, not for dumping passes to the TE?????

You know what I think...........you guys are highly concerned not only over Jake but how that "little fella" will do as our QB. Over the last couple of months a lot of your posts seem like you are trying to reassure yourselves that Graves made the right moves and Jake will surely fail in Denver while the "little fella" will be all pro here in Phoenix.

For the Cards sake I hope you are right.

With all due respect the reason I asked is the guy on the denver board claimed that we made a huge effort to get a TE for Jake and I knew it wasn't true.

The thread over there was about jake. You can't discuss the failure of the WCO in Arizona and not discuss Jake.

I dropped it over there. I posted him a list of TE's drafted since Jake became a cardinal, he ignored it until I called him on it, he then said he didn't agree, would go home and check his complete lists since 1987, and post tomorrow. But from recollection TE was the only offensive position we regularly drafted, most of our drafts were "defense heavy".

I think in the same debate you'd have done the same thing, I basically told the guy I was tired of him making things up and ignoring posts that refuted him, so I stopped posting.

Why he felt 1987 was relevant to Jake Plummer is beyond me but he apparently did.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by FJM
Whenever a Jake supporter has something to say that might look favorable to Jake the first, second, and third thing we hear from you guys is.....it's over, Jake's gone, he's history, live with it, etc. Now here are the Jake bashers in late June bringing up Jake once again under the guise of a tight end conversation. Gee, I thought we brought in the "little fella" to go deep with his strong arm, not for dumping passes to the TE?????

You know what I think...........you guys are highly concerned not only over Jake but how that "little fella" will do as our QB. Over the last couple of months a lot of your posts seem like you are trying to reassure yourselves that Graves made the right moves and Jake will surely fail in Denver while the "little fella" will be all pro here in Phoenix.

For the Cards sake I hope you are right.

Either way, Graves made the right decision.

Me thinks you've been afflicted by the Plummer virus. It is actually quite curable. All you have to do is watch him play and eventually you will get over it!

 

[TJAM]

Section 11 Tight End

Section 11....Enjoy reading your posts, but as update regarding Hodel.....he was not drafted as a Tight End. Hodel signed as a Free Agent as a LS with Carolina and then signed as a LS with the Cardinals. Unfortunately LS is not concidered a position and such when you look at rosters the LS is dumped into TE or C typically.