Skelton over Hall

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Here I go again with my own evaluations.

I watched Skelton on sports science show pre draft. His measurabes was every bit equal or better to top NFL QB's. He is an interesting prospect that has everything DA has and is missing the little extra that makes DA suck.

Johnny Boy has read and reaction times equal to Peyton Manning and Drew Brees, very mobile for his size with a concrete wall busting fast ball. He can throw on the move and is much more accurate than DA. I think If We want to develope a QB on the field with a chance at post season and long term success John Skelton is the man, The only thing He is missing is NFL Experience and growing pains.

Not sure if any QB could win with this defense, whiz is defending them but they were tripolar for years before this latest misss or miss execution. DD flat disappears and has not played like a top paid interior defensive lineman, ever. blame me but that is what I see on the field. Experts saying our Dline was a a plus I never got this offseason, but I shut up after overwhelming flamethrowers.

Max Hall I like, but to me He is not from the Staubach, D White, Drew Brees cloth, yet. He is more from the jake Plummer cloth, plays his best out of panic, superior when the plays break down 25% of the time, He is average the other 75% of the time. it may come in time but then again it may not. again.

I think the team not rallying behind Matt and rallying around DD and his new contract is a problem. they have broken thinkers that left me wioth a broken heart. It's all theory at this point cause Whiz burnt the bridge Deny Green built. Engineers blow up things TOO, I know from experience.

So My view as if anybody cares is Skelton is our best chance at a title this year and beyond left on the team. or we look at the draft. Hall is a career back up at best maybe a Steve Beurline type.

And I like Whiz but cutting Matt at his price this year without giving him a fair chance to earn this teams respect on the field. was the stupidest NFL coach personell decision in the history of Earth. We have a Buddy Ryan going on again, this aint my first rodeo in Arizona. Whiz needs to restructure his RGC/PGC and bring in a DC, some help outside of his tree for personnell and football decision.

Taking a little responsibility for screwing up a decent team would be welcome too. He signed a top 5 contract demanding total control as HC, He got what he asked for, now CARDINAL UP AND TAKE IT LIKE A FAN!
Time wis felt some discomfort because He said He had a feel for this team when He cut Matt.

Every interview now He says He doesn't have a feel for this team, Nobody does its a mess. and Whis the problem, He needs to change gears and be the solution. styarting with Beanie and ending with more tha 12 run plays, What a move from first to worst.
 
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I like Skelton over Hall too...however, I don't think we win another game if Skelton is starting (I don't know if we win another game if Hall is starting either)
 

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you know what's really weird... for some reason starting a 5th round pick seems unfathomable as opposed to starting an undrafted rookie FA... but that's probably just because of the hype Hall got during camp.

An Undrafted ROOKIE FA... good God.
 

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I am all over platooning Anderson, Hall & Skelton this year if it means we go 2 -14 and draft Locker next year.

It's not like this group is taking us to the Super Bowl this year anyway.

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I don't think it's a matter of who will be better over the long run, I think it's a matter of who is more ready now. Hall has a little more experience in terms of running a closer to pro-style offense than Skelton. Remember, the coaches made sure to keep both Hall and Skelton, so I don't think they are in any way giving up on him. They just painted themselves into a crappy starting QB corner.
 

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In my dreams, this is a Brees/Rivers situation. Skelton will be groomed, Hall gets his shot right now.

Definitely Hall should be starting over Skelton now. I'd say he either does well, or defenses ultimately figure him now. But with the rest of the team at the moment, the deck is sort of stacked against him. We'll see.
 

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In my dreams, this is a Brees/Rivers situation. Skelton will be groomed, Hall gets his shot right now.

Definitely Hall should be starting over Skelton now. I'd say he either does well, or defenses ultimately figure him now. But with the rest of the team at the moment, the deck is sort of stacked against him. We'll see.

Of course Rivers was a top ten pick and Brees was the first pick in round 2. But, other than that, I guess it's not too bad of an analogy.
 

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I am all over platooning Anderson, Hall & Skelton this year if it means we go 2 -14 and draft Locker next year.

It's not like this group is taking us to the Super Bowl this year anyway.

JTS

Locker is going to be a bust IMO after watching him in a few games this year. I've been semi impressed with Mallet and pretty impressed with Luck, if he comes out.

But not sure if drafting a QB will matter if the line can't block for him :(
 

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Locker is going to be a bust IMO after watching him in a few games this year. I've been semi impressed with Mallet and pretty impressed with Luck, if he comes out.

But not sure if drafting a QB will matter if the line can't block for him :(

I don't like Locker either. I don't understand the hype he gets. He just isn't that great.
 

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I saw the Sports Science clip as well. Very impressive.

Problem is I also saw Skelton in camp and in the pre-season.

He's not ready, way too raw. He couldn't sustain drives against 2nd and 3rd string vanilla defenses. I hate to think what he would be like right now against starters who are game planning.

Just my 2 cents.
 

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Max Hall I like, but to me He is not from the Staubach, D White, Drew Brees cloth, yet. He is more from the jake Plummer cloth, plays his best out of panic, superior when the plays break down 25% of the time, He is average the other 75% of the time.

You lost all credibility right here because you should expect the passing plays to break down 75% given our unproven receiver corp and the human strainer that is our OL.
 

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I am all over platooning Anderson, Hall & Skelton this year if it means we go 2 -14 and draft Locker next year.

It's not like this group is taking us to the Super Bowl this year anyway.

JTS

Jake Locker sucks.
 
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agree

I'm open to being wrong but how many games does it take for John to match Maxes maturity as a NFL QB? That is a reasonable question.

Max is older with more college experience in a better college system, But he has more to "unlearn" than John. John has a NFL mind with a excellent protypical NFL QB body and skill set.

I don't know the answer I think we cut a top 10 NFL QB because a bad team wouldn't follow him into a season. The Team not Matty needed to change their priorities. Matt was being Matt and never comprimised just like Kurt told him, Don't try to be Kurt be Matt.

After the saints we have an oppurtunity in the the middle half of the schedule. I think max is what He is with a little upside in skill set. John Skelton has more to learn with more upside in skill set.

But Whiz has done the exact opposite of everything I have seen as a 40+ year NFL fan, Lombardi, Parcells, Bellycheck, no coach has ever coached close to as unorthodox as Whiz so far. He takes pride in it.

When it goes bad He needs to take responsibility too!




I saw the Sports Science clip as well. Very impressive.

Problem is I also saw Skelton in camp and in the pre-season.

He's not ready, way too raw. He couldn't sustain drives against 2nd and 3rd string vanilla defenses. I hate to think what he would be like right now against starters who are game planning.

Just my 2 cents.
 

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Jake Locker sucks.

In relation to who? Anderson? Hall? You? Me?

At some point in time we need to get a QB, either through the draft or FA. Most teams don't let franchise QB's go through FA, but there are exceptions like Brees, but it's hard to make unusual occurances like this an actual plan. And while it's possible to get a Brady in the late rounds, the very fact that this is always brought up as an example shows how unusual it is, too.

My point is that if it's not Locker, then it needs to be somebody who "looks" just like him, by that I mean someone who is the highest rated QB on the Card's board. Because if we're putting all our eggs in Max Hall's basket, I think we're in trouble. (which isn't to say I wouldn't be happy if he works out - because I would)

But there's a saying here in Vegas that I'm sure you've heard - "The race doesn't always go to the swiftest, but that's the way to bet".

If we know we need a franchise QB, the FO needs to do much more than just hope for a miracle. Unfortunately, hoping is exactly what I think they are doing right now and if anything around here "sucks", then this is it.

JTS
 
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