So now that Bonds is just 12 homers away....

[Diamondback Jay]

From Henry Aaron's record, have you yet resigned yourself to the fact that he's going to pass the mark?

 

[BC867]

From Henry Aaron's record, have you yet resigned yourself to the fact that he's going to pass the mark?

Barry Bonds? Ho-hum.

 

[Mulli]

I try not to think about it.

 

[abomb]

I have and good for him. He got most of them clean and never broke any rules. I blame Selig more than anything.

If you sit in the stands and boo the 2007 Bonds louder than you cheer for your own team, you are an idiot.

I am also happy that Bonds records will both be broken in the next 7-8 years (All-time = Rodriguez, single-season = ?).

 

[CardsFan88]

Hard to tell. All of this is going off of the 755 mark. Bonds could get 800 if he plays next year, hell he could get 815 (maybe more?) with the way he is playing. I doubt he'd play 2009, but then again he bounced back and knocked off the rust pretty good this year. If he did, that number could be 850. I highly doubt it, but then again most people doubted barry playing past 41-42 years old.

I agree most were clean. How many were dirty, who knows. Maybe 1 season's worth, maybe 4, maybe 1 bottle of cream. However the best thing he could do for himself is hit a clean 50 this year, at his age. I'm not a barry apologist, but in a roundabout way he is proving on the field now, what he may or may not of done off the field. Or doing a damn good job of debunking that opinion whether true or not...maybe he prayed alot lol.

I won't lie as an ASU alum, it would be nice to say that the home run king went to your college.

I agree AROD has the best shot to break the record. But then again I was saying the same thing about Griffey. You look at griffey around '99 and he seemed like an absolute lock to break the record, and have 800 by the time he was 40. If he did what bonds is doing, then 1k by the end of his career. Ofc, he then got injury prone and well is a shell of himself. I guess what I'm saying is, as with anything, you never know. But ARod definitely has the best shot.

Then again who will surpass the biggest home run total of Sadaharu Oh. That's what I'm waiting for. 868 is the record, we need someone to hit 869. (ofc baseball fields are smaller in japan, but still)

 

[Mulli]

I have and good for him. He got most of them clean and never broke any rules. I blame Selig more than anything.

If you sit in the stands and boo the 2007 Bonds louder than you cheer for your own team, you are an idiot.

I am also happy that Bonds records will both be broken in the next 7-8 years (All-time = Rodriguez, single-season = ?).

At least you are consistent in your love for jerky players.

 

[Dback Jon]

I cheer for A-Rod.

 

[Dback Jon]

At least you are consistent in your love for jerky players.

Nice!!

Dback Jon gives Mulli 5/5 on that!

 

[Mulli]

I cheer for A-Rod.

quiet you

 

[82CardsGrad]

At least you are consistent in your love for jerky players.

Agree! While there is a whole lot of stuff to blame Selig for, Selig wasn't the one who told Barry to use drugs...
And aside from the 'roid issue, Bonds is a complete and utter ass... Aaron is so damm classy... Bonds couldn't spell class if you spotted him the C, L, and two s's...

 

[Stallion]

Bonds is doing a lot better than I had hoped this year. So, yeah, he's going to get the record for sure, and soon.

If wonder if this former Shea Stadium "clubbie" has any connection to anyone who has a connection to Bonds.

It all continues to be very sad.

 

[HooverDam]

Good lord, people who hate Barry Bonds baffle me to no end. First off we don't know if he did steroids or not. Secondly, if he did, we don't know how much steroids really help in home run hitting anyway. Home run hitting is more about hand-eye coordination, and being able to reverse the pitches speed, not necessarily strength.

If you want to be mad about Bonds breaking the record, be mad at the band box stadiums they play in these days, diluted pitching, etc. Its not like this guy was some bum who all of a sudden did 'roids and was a superstar. He's obviously clean now, and he's still killing the ball (especially for his age).

So I say congrats to Bonds, the best baseball player there has ever been, who cares if he's a prick?

 

[82CardsGrad]

Good lord, people who hate Barry Bonds baffle me to no end. First off we don't know if he did steroids or not. Secondly, if he did, we don't know how much steroids really help in home run hitting anyway. Home run hitting is more about hand-eye coordination, and being able to reverse the pitches speed, not necessarily strength.

If you want to be mad about Bonds breaking the record, be mad at the band box stadiums they play in these days, diluted pitching, etc. Its not like this guy was some bum who all of a sudden did 'roids and was a superstar. He's obviously clean now, and he's still killing the ball (especially for his age).

So I say congrats to Bonds, the best baseball player there has ever been, who cares if he's a prick?

I'm one who agrees that 'roids have very little to do with hitting a thrown ball over a fence... However, I am convinced Bonds did take them. And while they were specifically being tested for at the time, Bonds and the rest knew it was wrong.
I'm a purist. Babe Ruth didn't take roids. Hank Aaron never took roids...
And yes, the stadiums have gotten smaller and the pitching over the last 10-15 years has gotten dramatically worse each year...
Bonds is a douche... He's a pompous cry-baby. An immensely talented and gifted cry-baby, but a cry-baby nonetheless...

 

[devilalum]

Good lord, people who hate Barry Bonds baffle me to no end. First off we don't know if he did steroids or not. Secondly, if he did, we don't know how much steroids really help in home run hitting anyway. Home run hitting is more about hand-eye coordination, and being able to reverse the pitches speed, not necessarily strength.

Do you also believe in the Tooth Fairy?

 

[HooverDam]

Babe Ruth didn't take 'roids, thats right. But you know what else Babe Ruth didn't do? Face black pitchers, or fielders, or Latino players, or Asian players. Ruth also didn't have to face guys that had anywhere near the conditioning that modern players too, modern players are stronger and faster and are probably much more likely to rob home runs with a wall climb.

And I know everyone ******* about pitching declining, but I'm not sure if it is. Hitters are so much better athletes than they were years ago, that its hard to say if pitching is worse, or if hitting is better. With the smaller stadiums, and amazing hitters, we really should be appreciating guys like Randy Johnson even more.

Devilalum, no, I don't believe in the tooth fairy. But lets assume Bonds did do steroids, who cares!? "Oh what about the children", oh the children my left foot. If a grown man wants to shrink his balls and bulge up his biceps it ought to be his business, and it ought to be legal, he's not harming anyone. Now, if baseball wants to make a rule against it, then I'm fine with that, and if you don't like the rule, you can pack your bag and go start a 'all 'roids league' to compete w/ the MLB.

I just think the whole steroids thing in baseball is one of the most overblown, silly stories in sports in the past 25 years. But it does hit at one of the key problems with baseball; baseball is obsesses with records. Records for the most part, are stupid. You can't compare someone in 2007 with someone in 1957, there are too many variables. So while records are fun to think about, and make good water cooler discussion, they shoudln't be taken nearly as seriously as baseball takes them.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Babe Ruth didn't take 'roids, thats right. But you know what else Babe Ruth didn't do? Face black pitchers, or fielders, or Latino players, or Asian players. Ruth also didn't have to face guys that had anywhere near the conditioning that modern players too, modern players are stronger and faster and are probably much more likely to rob home runs with a wall climb.

And I know everyone ******* about pitching declining, but I'm not sure if it is. Hitters are so much better athletes than they were years ago, that its hard to say if pitching is worse, or if hitting is better. With the smaller stadiums, and amazing hitters, we really should be appreciating guys like Randy Johnson even more.

Devilalum, no, I don't believe in the tooth fairy. But lets assume Bonds did do steroids, who cares!? "Oh what about the children", oh the children my left foot. If a grown man wants to shrink his balls and bulge up his biceps it ought to be his business, and it ought to be legal, he's not harming anyone. Now, if baseball wants to make a rule against it, then I'm fine with that, and if you don't like the rule, you can pack your bag and go start a 'all 'roids league' to compete w/ the MLB.

I just think the whole steroids thing in baseball is one of the most overblown, silly stories in sports in the past 25 years. But it does hit at one of the key problems with baseball; baseball is obsesses with records. Records for the most part, are stupid. You can't compare someone in 2007 with someone in 1957, there are too many variables. So while records are fun to think about, and make good water cooler discussion, they shoudln't be taken nearly as seriously as baseball takes them.

It's is widely understood by all baseball experts that Pitching has been declining for a long time in MLB...
And your willingness to blow off steroid use simply because it wasn't specifically banned by MLB is ridiculous... I already said that I believe 'roids contribute little if anything towards HR's, however, cheating (using 'roids is cheating as the majority of players do not use them) is simply wrong. Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, Palmiero, etc... cheated... That sucks... To make matters worse, Bonds is a first-rate A-Hole! It's a huge shame that Aaron's record is about to be broken - one of the most revered records in all of sports, and the overwhelming majority of the baseball world is pissed off that it's Bonds...
Stats/Records are important in any sport. They should never be the sole source when determining a players' worth, however, when it comes to MVP's, Cy Young's, Hall of Fame - stats matter!

 

[Lefty]

I'm one who agrees that 'roids have very little to do with hitting a thrown ball over a fence... However, I am convinced Bonds did take them. And while they were specifically being tested for at the time, Bonds and the rest knew it was wrong.
I'm a purist. Babe Ruth didn't take roids. Hank Aaron never took roids...
And yes, the stadiums have gotten smaller and the pitching over the last 10-15 years has gotten dramatically worse each year...
Bonds is a douche... He's a pompous cry-baby. An immensely talented and gifted cry-baby, but a cry-baby nonetheless...

Brady Anderson disagrees with you. You have to be a fool to think steroids don't help a player hit the ball farther.

 

[Lefty]

Babe Ruth didn't take 'roids, thats right. But you know what else Babe Ruth didn't do? Face black pitchers, or fielders, or Latino players, or Asian players. Ruth also didn't have to face guys that had anywhere near the conditioning that modern players too, modern players are stronger and faster and are probably much more likely to rob home runs with a wall climb.

And I know everyone ******* about pitching declining, but I'm not sure if it is. Hitters are so much better athletes than they were years ago, that its hard to say if pitching is worse, or if hitting is better. With the smaller stadiums, and amazing hitters, we really should be appreciating guys like Randy Johnson even more.

Devilalum, no, I don't believe in the tooth fairy. But lets assume Bonds did do steroids, who cares!? "Oh what about the children", oh the children my left foot. If a grown man wants to shrink his balls and bulge up his biceps it ought to be his business, and it ought to be legal, he's not harming anyone. Now, if baseball wants to make a rule against it, then I'm fine with that, and if you don't like the rule, you can pack your bag and go start a 'all 'roids league' to compete w/ the MLB.

I just think the whole steroids thing in baseball is one of the most overblown, silly stories in sports in the past 25 years. But it does hit at one of the key problems with baseball; baseball is obsesses with records. Records for the most part, are stupid. You can't compare someone in 2007 with someone in 1957, there are too many variables. So while records are fun to think about, and make good water cooler discussion, they shoudln't be taken nearly as seriously as baseball takes them.

When Babe Ruth was hitting home runs, no one else was even close to what he was doing offensively. True he did not play against anyone else except white players but he also did not get to play aginst some of the horrible pitching we have today. Also, today's players are more into health and nutrition, plus working out.

Finally, if Babe Ruth did not play a few years in the deadball era(spitball were allowed by some pitchers) and also just played the field and did not pitch, he would of hit over 800 home runs.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Brady Anderson disagrees with you. You have to be a fool to think steroids don't help a player hit the ball farther.

I honestly don't care what Brady Anderson thinks... I've played ball all the way through and beyond college...
In my opinion, if you were hitting a ball off a tee, yes, a dude on 'roids would likely hit some Moon-Shots other non-roid users couldn't come close to.
But when facing a ball coming at you at 90 MPH or more, and moving like there are some Mexican Jumping Beans inside, I don't care how big your muscles are or how juiced up you might be. It's all about timing , hand-eye coordination and technique.
Bonds is not gonna break Aaron's record because he used roids... He did not hit 72 HR's one season because of roids... The guy perfected his swing and the command of the strike zone - period... Doesn't mean he's not a cheater - he is... But roids had very little if anything to do with the number of HR's he's hit...

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It was well known that Babe Ruth was an alcoholic and was a coke addict as well. Have you ever seen someone on crack before? They become wicked strong as well.

 

[HooverDam]

It was well known that Babe Ruth was an alcoholic and was a coke addict as well. Have you ever seen someone on crack before? They become wicked strong as well.

I rode my bike from my apartment (just north of downtown) to South Mountain yesterday, and I saw the coolest coke head ever in South Central Phoenix. He was sagging his pants so low, I could see the entirety of his boxers, as well as about two inches of leg, I have no idea how his pants were staying on! Furthermore, why was he even wearing them? What a champion, I bet he could hit 82 homers a year.

 

[Lefty]

It was well known that Babe Ruth was an alcoholic and was a coke addict as well. Have you ever seen someone on crack before? They become wicked strong as well.

Have you ever seen a coke addict weighing 280+ pounds?

 

[kps0001]

Have you ever seen a coke addict weighing 280+ pounds?

Yes several and probably a few more than 280 lbs. Not everyone that uses cocaine is skinny. It can sometimes have the reverse effect. Especially on those who have used for periods of time and then get it off of and continue abusing once again.

 

[Southpaw]

Questions anyone???

ut Ruth didn't just stop at the watering hole to find an edge. According to The Baseball Hall of Shame's Warped Record Book, by Bruce Nash, Allan Zullo and Bob Smith, the Bambino fell ill one year attempting to inject himself with extract from a sheep's testes. This effort by more than a few athletes of his era to seek the healing and strengthening properties of testosterone prefigured the craze for steroids. When Ruth fell ill from his attempted enhancement, the media was told that Ruth merely had "a bellyache." This was believable since Ruth was a glutton, famed for eating eighteen-egg omelets. The Sultan of Swat was also a glutton for women and violence, and he could be roused to fisticuffs if it was suggested, as it often was, that he was part black. The Babe's famous trade-out of Boston in 1920 was justified by Sox owner Harry Frazee by saying that Ruth was "one of the most selfish and inconsiderate athletes I have ever seen."

 

[Cardinal Bob]

Yes. But it won't stop me from praying to the baseball gods that he blows out his knee...soon!