So now, Trades and FA's

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So what do we do now.

We do not have room to sign FA's besides those we've already said we want to sign: Scott Williams and Jake Voshkul. Any other FA we sign becomes more lux tax $ going out the window.

So if we sign a FA, it would probably be a sign and trade.

Making a trade our signing a FA right now would really only be for the purpose of upgrading a position in which we feel we are weak (or for dropping cap $, but I'm not going to discuss that right now). We have a quality starter, and good depth at every position except center, where we have depth but could improve in the starter area.

We could continue to run the C position by committee and see who steps up to claim the starter role. Williams is clearly a backup so Little Jake, Big Jake, and Zarko would compete for the starter's job. That could be interesting. We still do not have the big rebounding shot-blocker that Steph mentioned at the end of the season. Adding that player could be the key to going deep in the playoffs. Who will it be:

Zarko: Don't think so. Nothing I've seen indicates that he will be a great defensive rebounder or shot-blocker. He has a chance to show it, but I doubt it. Maybe some coaching would help. He could develop a style "stealth" shot blocking ala Raef L. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a great addition to this team and fills a role, but starting c is probably not it.

Big Jake: There is no doubt the big guy changes things in the middle when he is in the game. Defensively he really does have the capability of being a shot-blocking threat and a good defensive rebounder. The key is if he can find an offensive spot on the floor that is out of Amare's way and some sort of threat. He's got to be able to sink the 15 footer consistently.

Little Jake: No one works harder. He is our Scott Pollard. I'm just not sure he has the physical tools to be that big shot blocking, intimidating threat. I'm thrilled to have him on our bench. He brings great energy and smarts into the game.

Trade or FA: Who's out there. No one in the FA group has been a better rebounder, interior defeder or shot blocker than Alonzo Mourning. If he is healthy he could make a huge difference. The only way to get him would be through a sign and trade. It might not be possible to present Riley anything that would make him bite. He might have some interest in either of the Jakes, or maybe Casey, JJ or even Barbosa.

If Miami is not interested in resigning Zo this is a possibility. I don't think it would be too hard to sell Zo on the potential of the Suns.

If not, I'm certainly game for seeing who on our present roster steps forward.
 

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I'm still intrigued by Marbury's suggestion of Elden Campbell. Granted, he probably won't settle for the minimum, but he probably wouldn't be too much more than that. As much as we all like Scott Williams, Elden Campbell is still a better choice.

Other than that, I don't see any other options out there for us. Googs' place on the roster pretty much says that we won't be getting anyone of any particular note.

Center is pretty much our least "sure thing" position, and Campbell would change that. But all the other positions now appear to be gravy.

Can't wait for the season--gotta get league pass again, just to see the team... :D

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If Mourning leaves Miami, it won't be in a sign-and-trade. Miami would rather have the financial flexibility. It's just possible that Miami would accept promising young players close to the end of their deals (e.g. Stromile Swift), but I think it's much more likely that they'll let him walk if they can't come to terms with him on their own.
 

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Have Miami resign Alonzo for 1 yr at 5 mil and trade him to us for Bo Outlaw. Bo is exactly the hard working type of guy that Riley loves. Plus, we get Bo's contract off the books a year earlier (or two?).
 

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Originally posted by Chaplin
As much as we all like Scott Williams, Elden Campbell is still a better choice.

We all like Scott Williams??? I'd rather he wasn't on the team taking up a roster spot. If we want him for his veteran influence then we should give him a position on the Suns staff a la Mark West.
 

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I've read several places that the Dallas Mavericks will offer their mid-level exception to Alonzo Mourning first. Of course this is merely media speculation.

Pat Riley won't want anything to do with Bo Outlaw's contract. They are trying to shed salary. I love outlaw, but it's going to take some ugly contracts in return to get rid of him. I think at the end of the summer the team will look as it does today.

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Originally posted by Chaplin
As much as we all like Scott Williams, Elden Campbell is still a better choice.
Elden Campbell is definitely a much better choice. Will have him over Williams in a heart beat.
 

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I think it would be bad to remove Scott Williams from the team.

Make him some sort of assistant on the coaching staff but sign him for another veteran minimum and ask him to sit on the IR in case someone of the big guys gets hurt.

I would rather have Campbell as well.
 

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I think BIG Jake still hasnt played enought for us to see if he has improved. There were signs and flashes of him being a solid center. With the Athletic tean we have, he should beable to help with afew rebounds, and block/change afew shots...


Elden Campbell would be cool, ZO would be unbelievable, but I doubt there is much chance of that...

Zarko is to light for center right now, "MAYBE" when he gets older and hits the weights alot, but I doubt it...


This team is very close...
 
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Riley is trying to clear cap space. He has 3 huge contracts (Zo, EJ, and Brian Grant) that hang around his neck. Here just one scenario that might interest him.

Googs (10 mil), Bo (6 mil), Little Jake (resigned at 2 mil), and JJ (1.8 mill) (total $20 mill)

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Eddie Jones (10 mill), and a signed Zo (to a $ amount that will make the trade work-- around 10 mil).

Riley gets 2 good young players with attractive contracts. He swaps EJ's contract (4 years left) for Googs deal (1 year left).

And because Zo made $20 mil this year, he still drops $10 mill plus off of last year's payroll (this last season EJ and Zo's combined salaries were in excess of 30 million). I believe he would save $10 mil off his payroll this year, about $12 mill next year (Bo's deal declines and Googs is done), and then another $5 mill when Bo is done (year after next).

EJ still has 4 years left. Bo has 2, Googs has 1.


We'd end up giving Zo around $10 mil this year. Make it a one year deal so we aren't strapped for the future and then keep signing him to 1 year deals in the future as it makes sense.

I am sure there are holes in this somewhere, but its an idea.
 

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But doesn't that give us two overpaid old shooting guards for a very long time? I guess you're looking at it being that we get rid of Bo's salary--because that's the only thing I can think of that's any good in this trade JC.
 
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I guess it all depends on what you think Zo can bring to the party. Having Penny and EJ around for big bucks is the price you have to pay. You do drop Bo's salary.

PG Steph, Barbosa, Penny
SG Penny, EJ, Casey
SF Shawn, Zarko, Penny, EJ
PF Amare, Zarko, Zo
C Zo, Big Jake, Zarko, Scott Williams

I think it is a way it could be done, whether we really want to do it is another matter.
 

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From economic point of view, that's a bad trade, even if Zo did have a healthy kidney. 30 mil a year for a pair of SGs for the next 3-4 years is not good at all, even they together produced Kobe-like numbers!
 

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Mourning can probably be had for the mid-level exception. If the Suns wanted to pay him $10 million a year -- which they don't -- they could just pay the exception plus the luxury tax.
 

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Listen Listen,,,,,,,,,

Any trades will not involve Joe Johnson!!!!!!!!!!


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Originally posted by sunsfn
Listen Listen,,,,,,,,,

Any trades will not involve Joe Johnson!!!!!!!!!!


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or googs... He is off the books very soon...
 

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