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Some notable quarterbacks to be passed around
April 30, 2004
By Jay Glazer
SportsLine.com Senior Writer
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Usually during the weeks following an NFL Draft, news is hard to come by, at least until the June 1 cuts roll around. But this year a strange phenomenon occurred. A legitimate news subject broke out shortly before, during and right after the weekend.


Two-time NFL MVP Kurt Warner is a likely June 1 cap casualty. (AP)
Call it the NFL's arms race. Dealers are in full swing.

In the past seven days, several quarterbacks have been let go or have been discussed as potential waiver victims. Oddly, we aren't talking about those on the scrub category of the NFL food chain. These are quarterbacks with a sensational collective pedigree -- guys with Pro Bowl and Super Bowl experience, and even a guy with the letters MVP before his name.

For some reason, the NFL's quarterbacks are on the move in late April and early May. Who? Why? Where? Let's take a look at who is in the news, why and what might be in store for a few of these arms for hire as the smoke of the draft continues to clear.

Of all the quarterbacks who have hit or will hit the open market, Collins is the crème de la crème. Giants players love the veteran signal caller and have privately voiced their outrage over his exodus. Veterans are in an uproar over his release, feeling the team should have kept him regardless of cap number to let Eli Manning learn from him for a year.

The players feel with Manning starting out of the blocks rather than Collins, the Giants will resemble an expansion team for at least a year. Guys like Tiki Barber, Michael Strahan, Amani Toomer and Ike Hilliard don't have three or four years to wait for Manning's star to shine.

When given a good offensive line and time to function, Collins remains one of the better passers in the league. A team such as Arizona, Oakland, San Diego or San Francisco could truly use his talents. The Niners and Cowboys have already said they aren't interested. The Dolphins and Packers were approached by the Giants about a trade but neither wanted to venture down Collins' road.

Kurt Warner
The revelation by his agent last week that Warner's days in St. Louis are numbered became huge news. Then, the obligatory stories linking him to team after team cropped up throughout the league.

Three years ago, he had a terrific year, throwing for 4,840 yards, the highest total of his career. Warner has the pedigree but has struggled through injuries the past two seasons, throwing for just four touchdowns and an alarming 12 interceptions. He has also shown fumbling problems. He was sacked six times and fumbled six times during his one start this past season.

Damon Huard
Huard would be a steal for any team that signs him. He's not the biggest or fastest guy in the world, but he is one of the smarter quarterbacks in the league. In fact, he was given the game ball by the Patriots for their victory over the Indianapolis Colts in last season's AFC Championship Game.

According to several of his Patriots teammates, Huard mimicked Peyton Manning to perfection for the scout team in practice before that game. Patriots players couldn't applaud Huard enough. Both sides of the ball insisted Huard picked up every little nuance Manning portrays on the field, making the defensive players feel as if they already knew everything Manning was going to throw at them in the game.

Huard has met with the Falcons and Giants recently and met with the Chiefs on Friday.

Vinny Testaverde
Vinny from Long Island is one of the better tutorial candidates on the open market. He will not be with the Jets, but he has been linked to the Giants. Vinny has been around so long, one could be tempted to look up his AFL stats (and we don't mean the Arena Football League).

But despite his age, he still has an above-average arm. Opposing players say he actually played pretty well for the injured Chad Pennington and showed he has some bark left in him.

Neil O'Donnell
Yup, he's still going. Like Testaverde, O'Donnell has been linked to the Giants, the team closest to where he grew up. O'Donnell started one game last year, on basically zero notice, and passed for a 102.7 quarterback rating in that game. He has started just three games this millennium. He is viewed, like Testaverde, as a solid tutor and stopgap, if necessary.

Unlike some of the young QBs, his brain will never get in the way of a team's success on offense.

Tim Couch
Does it really matter who backs up Brett Favre? The man doesn't miss any games anyway. Couch has been in talks with the Packers and now he reportedly has interest from the Bears.

Perhaps all Couch needs is a new lease on his NFL life. The demons that go along with being the No. 1 overall pick have consumed many an NFLer. Couch got caught up in a situation that continued to worsen. With a new environment, perhaps the light bulb goes on and he begins to light it up.

Jeff Blake
Blake is a serviceable starter but probably not the best option for a team looking for a good tutor for a young man. Blake has often viewed his fellow QBs as competition, not as pupils. However, he has made a nice living on being a gun for hire.

Rich Gannon
The Raiders still have not commented about his status with the team this year. Gannon had made it known earlier he would only play for an exorbitant sum, but who's to say his shoulder returns to full strength. There remains a chance he will be released after June 1, especially if he refuses to either restructure his contract or reduce his salary.

Gannon last season showed dramatic signs of age. The season before, however, was his best as a pro. Which Gannon shows up to which camp this year remains to be seen.

Tommy Maddox
Maddox, like Collins, was rendered a lame duck when his team used its first-round pick on a QB of the future. The team has refused to redo his deal over the past couple of years, and if he remains with the team, he will make significantly less than his backup.

Maddox was a terrific feel-good story after recovering from NFL banishment and then a scary neck injury. If given a consistent and healthy offensive line and a solid running game, he has shown he can be a very effective option.

Others
Kurt Kittner, Chris Redman, Jeff George.

Redman, like Huard, had a workout for Atlanta recently. He had his chance but has failed to show any significance as a starter. He could be serviceable if put in the right system with the right coach.

And, yes, that Jeff George. The former No. 1 pick has been in contact with several teams since February's scouting combine trying to catch on as a backup or No. 3. George has been working out for months, throwing several times a week.

He probably still has a rocket of an arm and could help a youngster trying to learn the pro game. George admits he has an image problem to overcome, but he insists anyone who signs him will be getting a good soldier and a tremendous arm for hire.

"I've been in touch with a handful of teams," George said this week during a phone conversation. "I just want that shot. I can really help a team, even in a No. 3 role. I know the game, and I'd love to assist a team in helping out a young guy."
 

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If Damon Huard is released and if the Cards dont go after him, and make him an offer, they are nuts. How Dennis Green can go with Josh McCown and not have any decent. experienced QB ready to take over is absolutely ridiculous.

Then Green has the stupidity to say that McCown is one of the THREE most talented and athletic players at his position in the NFL (KDUS interview) is also ridiculous, and asinine.

Damon Huard is better than any Qb the Cards have had in the last few years but has been locked into a contract with the Pats and he DID get two Super Bowl rings, so he is happy...but he wants to play, and he is a damned good, smart QB.

He would be a perfect fit for a team like the Cardinals with all their young offensive players, receivers, etc...and it is very likely the Pats WILL cut him loose...because Rohan Davey has been tearing up the NFL Europe, being called the best QB over there, and he will likely be the Pats vackup this year, along with Kliff Kingsbury....

So, if the Cards dont go after Huard, they are nuts...McCown is NOT the answer, IMO.
 

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azdad1978 said:
When given a good offensive line and time to function, Collins remains one of the better passers in the league. A team such as Arizona, Oakland, San Diego or San Francisco could truly use his talents. The Niners and Cowboys have already said they aren't interested. The Dolphins and Packers were approached by the Giants about a trade but neither wanted to venture down Collins' road.
Arizona has clearly said as well that we are not interested. These sports writers continue to not pay any attention to what's coming out of Arizona. :(
 

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GreenMonster said:
Then Green has the stupidity to say that McCown is one of the THREE most talented and athletic players at his position in the NFL (KDUS interview) is also ridiculous, and asinine.
You are entitled to your opinion but my observations so far show Dennis Green to be anything but stupid. If he feels that our best shot this year is with Josh, then I'll take his opinion over yours anyday and twice on Sunday.

Also, Josh looks far better this year than last, he is getting a lot more reps and with the first team. He looks confident and he certainly seems to have the support of his team.
 

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GreenMonster said:
If Damon Huard is released and if the Cards dont go after him, and make him an offer, they are nuts. How Dennis Green can go with Josh McCown and not have any decent. experienced QB ready to take over is absolutely ridiculous.

Then Green has the stupidity to say that McCown is one of the THREE most talented and athletic players at his position in the NFL (KDUS interview) is also ridiculous, and asinine.

Damon Huard is better than any Qb the Cards have had in the last few years but has been locked into a contract with the Pats and he DID get two Super Bowl rings, so he is happy...but he wants to play, and he is a damned good, smart QB.

He would be a perfect fit for a team like the Cardinals with all their young offensive players, receivers, etc...and it is very likely the Pats WILL cut him loose...because Rohan Davey has been tearing up the NFL Europe, being called the best QB over there, and he will likely be the Pats vackup this year, along with Kliff Kingsbury....

So, if the Cards dont go after Huard, they are nuts...McCown is NOT the answer, IMO.

Yeah, and Ryan Leaf is better than Payton Manning and Jake right?

NEM, are you seriously suggesting that we bring in a QB who hasn't taken a snap in 3 years to be our starting QB? The Huards are smart QBs and are good backups as the result of growing up as coaches' sons, but that's it.

Rohan Davey on the other hand can and maybe will be a successful starting QB in the NFL if things go his way. I was always impressed with his play at LSU and I'll take your word for it that he's tearing up NFL Europe. If the Pats want to trade him to us, I'd be more than happy getting rid of Shawn King for him. :D
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
Yeah, and Ryan Leaf is better than Payton Manning and Jake right?

NEM, are you seriously suggesting that we bring in a QB who hasn't taken a snap in 3 years to be our starting QB? The Huards are smart QBs and are good backups as the result of growing up as coaches' sons, but that's it.

Rohan Davey on the other hand can and maybe will be a successful starting QB in the NFL if things go his way. I was always impressed with his play at LSU and I'll take your word for it that he's tearing up NFL Europe. If the Pats want to trade him to us, I'd be more than happy getting rid of Shawn King for him. :D
I honestly believe that Huard can still be a very good NFL Qb, even as a starter in the right situation, and I believe that situation is here, in AZ. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the Pats and was forced to sit behind Brady, who came out of nowhere. But, I have watched him play, what little he did, and he is smart, very accurate, and still has a lot left.

Compared to McCown, I believe Huard can win, where McCown can not.

As I said, Damon Huard, IMO, is far better than any QB the Cards cureently have on their roster, and with his NFL savvy, experience and his intelligence, can be a major factor for this team , especially in the growing stage they are in, especially with running backs and receivers.

I always liked Huard, and felt bad that he just got into a situation he had no control over. He can play, and he can win.
 

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nidan said:
You are entitled to your opinion but my observations so far show Dennis Green to be anything but stupid. If he feels that our best shot this year is with Josh, then I'll take his opinion over yours anyday and twice on Sunday.

Also, Josh looks far better this year than last, he is getting a lot more reps and with the first team. He looks confident and he certainly seems to have the support of his team.
And, that is what makes the world go around, difference of opinion, and I respect yours...however, I really dont see anything in Josh McCown that warrants him being handed the starting job without proving that he can do it, YET...I am not saying he wont, although I dont think he will get it done....

But to give him the startig job on a gold plated platter before even seeing him really play in games that mean something, that is really not very professional of Green.

I really have some misgivings about Green thus far. Passing up a potential FRANCHISE Qb for a personal friend of the family (even if FitzGerald is all they say he is, its very risky with the personal relationship being that close) is not the right thing to do, for the team, over a longer period of time.

I think that Graves still pulls most of the triggers and, if so, that is not good, because Graves is, unfortunately, the WORST judge of NFL talent I have ever witnessed.

Hopefully green is right about McCown, but I really dont think so, and to pass up a potential QB of the future, well, its a huge mistake , IMO, of course.
 

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My first response is about Rod Graves, you are wrong. I know you believe that because of last years draft, but I know your assumptions are wrong (note not IMO). Don't forget Rod was largely (along with M Bidwill) responsible for bringing in Dennis Green.

Green is about football, the only reason that the friendship with father and son matters is that he knows what Larry's personailty is like. He drafted him because of talent, and he certainly has it. LF is smooth baby, real smooth. You also shouldn't pass up on a talent like that just because you know them.

Green does not appear to give anything to anybody on a platter, that was more of a Mac way of doing things, Green is far more hardnosed than that.

I think that Graves and Denny pull all of the triggers together. Although I suspect that Rod may let Denny have the last say on talent but I have no info to back that up. It just seems like how he (RG) would operate, you bring in a expert so let him do what he is good at.

Maybe we did pass up on a potential HoF QB, but I think we got a potential HoF WR, now we have 2.
 

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Hey NEM how can you not trust Greens opinion on McCown? Green seem to have a good history with QBs. Also would you consider Brady a franchise QB? He was not a top ten pick.
 

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NMCard said:
Hey NEM how can you not trust Greens opinion on McCown? Green seem to have a good history with QBs. Also would you consider Brady a franchise QB? He was not a top ten pick.
Green's opinionmay be right, it may be wrong...but, two things.

First, and maybe he will address this, soon..is getting an experienced QB in here, if only as a backup and as a tutor. In time, though, my opinion is that the backup will end up being the starter...for McCown.

Second, and it goes back to the paragraph above, if McCown IS replaced by the eventual backup, which I believe is EXACTLy what will happen, then the pasing up of Roethlesberger will be even bigger.

That is just how I see it. When a potential franchise Qb is available, you MUST take him....especially in a team like the Cardinal's situation.

Another Larry Fitzgerald will come along a lot quicker than a potential long time franchise QB.

But then, who is to say that BOTH OF THEM won't be busts.

One never knows.

I just think that they already had Boldin, and a couple of other failry good WR's that may develop...I believe they could have, and should have, added the QB to that mix.
 

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The Cards desperately needs continuity at the Qb position and Josh is in the best position to give us that.

That Josh looked shakey when he played in some early games last season is a concern, but I think his performance in the 3 games he started and with the dramatic win over the Vikes, he has earned the confidence of his teammates.

Green, I believe, has recognized that, and it is good that he made Josh the starter. Brininging in another starting Qb now is not a good idea. If Green don't trust King, then I think he should talk to O'Donnell, Vinney, and Maddox--guys that will understand their role as backup Qb on the team.

Gooooooooo Cards :cards:
 

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Sorry people, I banned turd NEM a few days ago but messed up because I wasn't used to the new vbulletin. It's taken care of now.

I'm sure the worthless scum will come back again so please continue to notify me when he shows up again.
 

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Skkorpion said:
Sorry people, I banned turd NEM a few days ago but messed up because I wasn't used to the new vbulletin. It's taken care of now.

I'm sure the worthless scum will come back again so please continue to notify me when he shows up again.
Show a little respect will ya, my name SCUM is capitalized.

Also, your forum here is a little hypocritical, wouldn't you say seeing as many of your posters, and I, including some of your forum moderators, have gotten into good two way conversations with me, some pro, come con, but in either case, good two way conversations, of course some even knew it was me and PM''d me saying they thought I shouldnt be banned, but then again, youare just a little child who can't handle the facts and the truth too much can you, so you like to show off your authority.

So, how about it, face to face, you and me....I will be there on Spetember 19th with 20,000 Pats fans celebrating another Championship...want to join us and have a beer on us....

you are like a little baby who takes his bat and ball and goes home.

And, as I said, show some respect to those who are superior than you..the name is MISTER Worthless SCUM to you.
 

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GreenMonster said:
If Damon Huard is released and if the Cards dont go after him, and make him an offer, they are nuts. How Dennis Green can go with Josh McCown and not have any decent. experienced QB ready to take over is absolutely ridiculous.

Then Green has the stupidity to say that McCown is one of the THREE most talented and athletic players at his position in the NFL (KDUS interview) is also ridiculous, and asinine.

Damon Huard is better than any Qb the Cards have had in the last few years but has been locked into a contract with the Pats and he DID get two Super Bowl rings, so he is happy...but he wants to play, and he is a damned good, smart QB.

He would be a perfect fit for a team like the Cardinals with all their young offensive players, receivers, etc...and it is very likely the Pats WILL cut him loose...because Rohan Davey has been tearing up the NFL Europe, being called the best QB over there, and he will likely be the Pats vackup this year, along with Kliff Kingsbury....

So, if the Cards dont go after Huard, they are nuts...McCown is NOT the answer, IMO.

GreenMonster,

Could you please remind me how many years of NFL coaching you have? And how many times your team has appeared in the playoffs?

Because I would like to know why your skills at assessing talent are so much better than of Coach Greens and his 'stupid' and 'asine' view?

Thanks.
 
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