Sources: Knicks ante up, D'Antoni waits for Bulls' counter

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The New York Knicks on Thursday outlined the lucrative parameters of a five-year deal they're prepared to give new No. 1 coaching target Mike D'Antoni, according to NBA coaching sources.


A rival proposal from the Chicago Bulls -- the team many still favor to land D'Antoni -- is expected by Sunday at the latest, sources said.


Although Knicks president Donnie Walsh, through a team spokesman, insisted Thursday night that the Knicks have not offered "anyone" a coaching contract, that might just be a technicality. Sources close to the process say D'Antoni, who celebrated his 57th birthday Thursday, has had advanced discussions with the Knicks about leaving the desert for Manhattan.


The Phoenix Suns' coach will naturally wait to hear what the Bulls present before continuing or breaking off his dialogue with New York, given his well-established interest in the Bulls' opening and his standing as Chicago's top choice.

But the latest estimates on the five-year package New York is prepared to formally put on the table fall in the $30 million range:)shock:). Although that figure had been projected Wednesday by coaching sources to be even more "staggering," it's a level of annual compensation exceeded by only a few coaches in the game, such as Phil Jackson and recent coaching retiree Pat Riley.
ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher, quoting a source close to D'Antoni, reported on SportsCenter early Friday that D'Antoni is leaning toward taking the New York job.
It remains to be seen how high the Bulls are willing to go financially in comparison and how much security their pitch will afford. The Chicago Tribune reported in Thursday's editions the Bulls are determined to "pay D'Antoni only on their terms" and won't engage in a "protracted price war" with the Knicks.
Questions surrounding the Bulls' willingness to spend for a coach of D'Antoni's caliber have been circulating for days, thanks largely to the $4 million Chicago still owes Scott Skiles for next season.
Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf authorized a $5 million farewell payment for Skiles after firing him on Christmas Eve that -- unlike in most NBA coaching arrangements -- was not wiped out by the new four-year, $18 million contract that Skiles received last month from the Milwaukee Bucks.
But sources close to the process contend D'Antoni remains determined to go to Chicago as long as the Bulls assemble a quality offer. D'Antoni is scheduled to earn $4 million and $4.5 million in the final two seasons of his Suns contract.
It was widely assumed -- even by the Knicks to some degree -- that New York's emergence as a rival to Chicago was pursued by the D'Antoni camp strictly to get the Bulls to make a more substantial bid. That perception is changing. The word Thursday night in NBA coaching circles suggested that D'Antoni is ready to team up with Walsh if his talks with the Bulls dissolve.
It's believed the chase will extend through the weekend, with Monday serving as an unofficial target date for D'Antoni -- and the Suns -- to know where he'll be coaching next season.
The Suns want to accelerate their own search but have resisted contacting prospective candidates until they know D'Antoni has a new job. It's unclear what would happen if D'Antoni can't reach an accord with the Bulls or the Knicks, since Phoenix refuses to fire him and pay off the rest of his contract and since D'Antoni won't walk away from the money. But sources indicate Suns management -- as D'Antoni has been saying privately for days -- has no interest in trying to bring him back as coach given the public deterioration of his relationship with his bosses and an even more public crusade to find a new job.
It's still unclear who Phoenix will pursue to replace D'Antoni. Team president Steve Kerr insists he's years away from considering a coaching job, TNT analyst Doug Collins said Wednesday night he has "no interest" in being a head coach again in this league and NBA coaching sources told ESPN.com the Suns do not plan to consider recently fired Dallas coach Avery Johnson, who also appears to be a back-burner candidate at best in both New York and Chicago.
The Bulls are expected to pursue a less experienced (and thus less expensive) alternative to D'Antoni, namely Boston Celtics assistant Tom Thibodeau, if a deal can't be struck.
New York, meanwhile, will almost certainly turn to Walsh's original favorite in New York -- Knicks alumnus and ESPN analyst Mark Jackson -- if D'Antoni resists the Knicks' lucrative pitch, perhaps as early as next week.
 

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Thank goodness we are saying no to Avery Johnson.
 

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This is the parrt that is interesting:

"But sources indicate Suns management -- as D'Antoni has been saying privately for days -- has no interest in trying to bring him back as coach given the public deterioration of his relationship with his bosses and an even more public crusade to find a new job".

Suns management has no interest in bringing him back. I expect thats a message to the players, from DA, who now will know who likely burnt the bridge. It makes sense that once a guy fields offers from another company, he's put on the outside(cant count on him in the inner circle anymore). Very corporate america, been there, done that. The sarver group are "corporate america" culture BEFORE NBA culture as they have much more personnel experience outside the NBA.
 

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This is the parrt that is interesting:

"But sources indicate Suns management -- as D'Antoni has been saying privately for days -- has no interest in trying to bring him back as coach given the public deterioration of his relationship with his bosses and an even more public crusade to find a new job".

Suns management has no interest in bringing him back. I expect thats a message to the players, from DA, who now will know who likely burnt the bridge. It makes sense that once a guy fields offers from another company, he's put on the outside(cant count on him in the inner circle anymore). Very corporate america, been there, done that. The sarver group are "corporate america" culture BEFORE NBA culture as they have much more personnel experience outside the NBA.

So you're saying NBA culture is different?
 

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Thats a bad thing, not a good thing.

You're kidding, right?

Everyone keeps doing this love fest for the "defensive-oriented" Avery Johnson. Have you guys even seen the Dallas Mavericks for the last 4 years?
 

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Thank goodness we are saying no to Avery Johnson.

Aside from Avery's screeching voice he is a better candidate than most out there. He is defense oriented and his teams know how to put up points. Besides, maybe lightning strikes twice. The Suns got Nash from Dallas and turned him into a MVP. Maybe something good can happen with Avery here.

In writing this I'm half sarcastic but I don't see many better candidates out there.
 

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I'm curious about the claims that D'Antoni's status with the Suns has deteriorated so much that D'Atnoni will force them to buy him out.

I can't see why? If D'Antoni does not get a deal, he won't have much of an option. He might not like it, but it is not the same as a star who doesn't want to keep playing for a team.

A selfish player can reallydisrupt a team's chemistry and all but force a trade while not harming his value. But what can an unhappy coach do that is selfish without hurting his own market value.

Irconically, the check list for selfish coaches looks very familiar:

1. Shows now interest in the turture and won't develop young players.

2. Overplays his starters and won't develop team depth.

3. Becomes excessively stubborn and won't accept constructive criticism from his boss.

4. Plays favorites even when they don't produce on the floor.

Since this is the way D'Antoni coaches anyway, I can't see how it would change anything if he had to come back. :bang:
 

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I'm curious about the claims that D'Antoni's status with the Suns has deteriorated so much that D'Atnoni will force them to buy him out.

I can't see why? If D'Antoni does not get a deal, he won't have much of an option. He might not like it, but it is not the same as a star who doesn't want to keep playing for a team.

A selfish player can reallydisrupt a team's chemistry and all but force a trade while not harming his value. But what can an unhappy coach do that is selfish without hurting his own market value.

Irconically, the check list for selfish coaches looks very familiar:

1. Shows now interest in the turture and won't develop young players.

2. Overplays his starters and won't develop team depth.

3. Becomes excessively stubborn and won't accept constructive criticism from his boss.

4. Plays favorites even when they don't produce on the floor.

Since this is the way D'Antoni coaches anyway, I can't see how it would change anything if he had to come back. :bang:

Because even the fans that think Sarver is the best thing to happen to the Suns would be up in arms. Do you realize how pathetic nationally the Suns look if D'Antoni comes back and they don't fire him?
 

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30 million for D'Antoni? LOL see ya Mike! That's a ridiculous offer for a coach who has no defensive game plan.
 

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So you're saying NBA culture is different?

there are probably two levels of culture in the NBA, one for the players and one for management. In most of corporate america its true as well one for management, one for rank and file(or union). The rank and file cannot be corporate insiders, the insiders(management) must suck up to the ownership/stockholders, no choice, no compromises. When upper management or insiders look at alternative options and use them to position themselves, it can damage their working relationships beyond repair. Also being an upper management individual and being excluded from influence in decisionmaking while still being responsible for the product is a sign that you will go away soon, youre on the outside. With rank and file, or players, its not a big issue, they are union employees, protected by their agreement, or are not insiders. Negotiations with lawyers and union reps are a part of the fabric of the NBA but not with NBA management. Because coaches are often asked to make business decisions, a different, higher level of trust and cooperation is required.
 

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30 million for D'Antoni? LOL see ya Mike! That's a ridiculous offer for a coach who has no defensive game plan.

Not so ridiculous if your style could draw fans for your team and to wow viewers on TV. ;)
 

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Not so ridiculous if your style could draw fans for your team and to wow viewers on TV. ;)

If he tries that style with the Knicks you might see Eddy Curry get a heart attack. That's not working with the Knicks, trust me I get to see them everyday here in NY and passing and teamwork isn't their strong suit. You would see Nate Robinson run the whole court and try to dunk over 4 guys.
 

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If he tries that style with the Knicks you might see Eddy Curry get a heart attack. That's not working with the Knicks, trust me I get to see them everyday here in NY and passing and teamwork isn't their strong suit. You would see Nate Robinson run the whole court and try to dunk over 4 guys.

There are two reasons for that. One, they don't have a real coach. Two, the team sucks so that every player is only pepping up their own stats, like with the Clippers. If Walsh didn't believe a new coach like DA would change all that, he'd not even consider to hire him.
 

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Not so ridiculous if your style could draw fans for your team and to wow viewers on TV. ;)
NY fans and media aren't naieve enough to believe that if DA comes in and the Knicks win a bunch of reg season games while playing zero defense that all will be living in Pleasantville like so many of the SUNS fan base.
It'll be a gloriously refreshing 1 year honeymoon at best IMO.
 

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NY fans and media aren't naieve enough to believe that if DA comes in and the Knicks win a bunch of reg season games while playing zero defense that all will be living in Pleasantville like so many of the SUNS fan base.
It'll be a gloriously refreshing 1 year honeymoon at best IMO.

Yea seriously, they aren't stupid. Plus they've seen plenty of coaches say they will be the one to lead them. You used to hear that kind of talk everyday. In reality, the Knicks aren't better with Walsh and D'Antoni. The fans will get sick of D'Antoni's style here as fast as his run and gun offense.
 

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