St. Louis Still Loves the Cards ...

MadBird

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Let's face it, St. Louis is still fascinated with the Cardinals ... it's been 17 years since they left, don't you think the St. Louis media would have moved on by now?

I think they are secretly still in love with the "BIG RED" (St. Louis is the only place that really still refers to them in that way) ... The RAMS aren't their
True Love ...
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Cards give game ball to Bidwill
By Bill Coats
Of the Post-Dispatch
12/19/2004

TEMPE, Ariz. - In the giddy aftermath of the Arizona Cardinals' first win in more than a month, coach Dennis Green handed out a single game ball Sunday. It went to Bill Bidwill, the team's owner and president for more than four decades.

"It was totally unexpected, but I'm very grateful for it," said Bidwill, 73. "This is probably the first game all year we've played 60 minutes of football. I'm proud of the way the team played, and I think everyone in the Valley of the Sun will be, too, when they see the highlights."

Highlights have been hard to compile for the Cardinals since Bidwill moved them here from St. Louis in 1988. In 17 seasons, the Phoenix-Arizona Cardinals have produced only one .500-plus record - 9-7 in 1998. And that trend continues this year: Sunday's 31-7 victory over the Rams, which snapped a four-game losing streak, put the Big Red at 5-9.

Yet in the lackluster NFC, the Cards mathematically remain in the playoff hunt. "We're in a dog fight till the end, and one more loss, that's it," defensive tackle Darnell Dockett said after Arizona limited the Rams to a season-low 185 yards. "Everybody knows it, and everybody's going to give their best effort. ... Tomorrow, we're going to start breaking down Seattle film and get back at it."

But it's a fair assumption that before he looks toward next week's contest against the NFC West-leading Seahawks, Bidwill will savor Sunday's win - even through he played down the significance of beating the team from the town his club called home for 28 seasons. The Cardinals moved to St. Louis from Chicago in 1960.

"There's no personal animosity between the two teams that I'm aware of," Bidwill said, "other than it's a division rival and you want to increase your standing in the division."

Bidwill took his team to the desert after failing to persuade St. Louis officials to provide him with a new stadium; the baseball and football Cardinals shared Busch Stadium then. Ironically, one of the lures Phoenix provided Bidwill was the assurance that the Cardinals would play in Sun Devil Stadium, on the Arizona State campus, only briefly.

But he was stymied in his stadium quest for many years here, too. Finally, construction began in July 2003 on a $370 million, 75,000-seat building that will be completed in time for the 2006 season. It will feature a retractable roof and a movable grass playing surface, which will be positioned outside except on game days, when it will be wheeled inside.

"We'll be the first one in the United States with that," Bidwill said. "It's going to be a pretty good stadium."

One that, Bidwill hopes, will be home to a pretty good team. He said he believes Green has the Cardinals on the right track.

"Dennis has done every single thing that he said he was going to do," Bidwill said.

Reporter Bill Coats
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MadBird said:
"I'm proud of the way the team played, and I think everyone in the Valley of the Sun will be, too, when they see the highlights."

:lmao: In other words, GET OUT TO THE GAME YOU LOSERS!!!! YOU HAVE AN NFL FRANCHISE IN TOWN!!
 

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Bill Bidwill said:
"It was totally unexpected, but I'm very grateful for it," said Bidwill, 73. "This is probably the first game all year we've played 60 minutes of football. I'm proud of the way the team played, and I think everyone in the Valley of the Sun will be, too, when they see the highlights."

Quote of the year. This should be on the banner for the Cardinals website.
 

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In another article from that edition Martz publicly blamed Chandler for the loss. I do not think I have ever seen a head coach do that. Very poor leadership by Martz to publicly blame one player (Chandler) for the loss. Even if Martz believes that is the case he should criticize Chandler privately and not to the media. Martz is the boss. His job description as boss is responsibility for all subordinates actions. Robert E. Lee to his dying days never tried to shift blame to his subordinates. Martz is a poor leader to shift all the blame publicly to Chandler.
 
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BigRedMO said:
In another article from that edition Martz publicly blamed Chandler. Very poor leadership by Martz to publicly blame one player (Chandler) for the loss. Even if Martz beleives that is the case he should criticize Chandler privately and not to the media. Martz is a poor leader.

Must be part of the Bush administration. ;)
 

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Martz has

crossed the line between insanity and genius. Mr. Bidwill on the other hand has done nothing but the honorable thing since coming here. Don't start with his business weaknesses or being cheap, those things are not true.What is true is how disgustingly he's portrayed by spineless narcissistic people, that to believe in honoring a handshake and your word is stupidity and not doing so is smart business.
Thank you Mr. Bidwill for giving us a franchise that is easy to get behind for those attributes and for finally taking the steps to make us respectable in this league.
 

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Bidwill came to AZ on a handshake for a pro stadium. He expected to play in a college stadium only for a short time. He did not expect to play 17 years in an inadequate facility. He made a huge mistake not to get a deal in writing.
 

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So your saying

a man's word and handshake aren't worth anything unless there's something in writing? If that's the case, what a sorry species we have turned out to be.
I'm sorry ,to me, that's just not acceptable. Say what you mean, mean what you say and honor it.
 

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I think a lot of the people involved in getting Bidwill to move here simply could not deliver on the promise of a stadium. Remember, the savings and loan busts and junk bond scandals were not long after that and a lot of those guys took it in the shorts.
 

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"Dennis has done every single thing that he said he was going to do," Bidwill said.
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Like a 10-6 record right? Among other things? I think Green has done well but come on :)
 

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Bidwill tried to get a stadium in St. Louis, Arizona or elsewhere for almost 20 years before he was finally successful. I admire is determination but not his intelligence in finally getting a stadium.
 

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I'm not

arguing his intelligence, one way or the other, what I am sticking up for is the man's integrity. What I'm not stcking up for is other's lack of it. Including running up scores when you surely have your opponenet beaten.
 

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you were counting on POLITICIANS for integrity? :shrug:
I agree with where you're coming from.
We are LUCKY to still have the Cards, as laughable as that sentiment is to a great many people.
Imagine the Cards in LA, w/ Denny Green - at least we could watch all their games on the tube...
 

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jstadvl said:
a man's word and handshake aren't worth anything unless there's something in writing? If that's the case, what a sorry species we have turned out to be.
I'm sorry ,to me, that's just not acceptable. Say what you mean, mean what you say and honor it.

Noble concept. But when it comes to $$ you better cover your a**. If not, someone will surely reach into your back pocket and steal your wallet.
 

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