State of the Snakes-- June 24

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Another week has passed, and with it also passed have been more losses and more teams replacing Arizona in the NL West standings. And in all, the bleeding continues for the Arizona Diamondbacks.

The most recent Snake setback occured Saturday as the team squandered 4-0 lead and were sunk in the 13th following a Robb Quinlan 2-run homer with 2 outs.

The loss was Arizona's 5th in a row, and sit an all too impressive 2-17 in their last 19 games.

I know this has been said before, however it bears repeating. Something, ANYTHING needs to be done to stop the bleeding, ASAP.

The closed door meetings have done nothing, nor have Bob Melvin's Billy Martin-esque tantrums. Cutting Russ Ortiz has done nothing (not that it was going to anyhow, other than eating a bad contract that should have never been signed)..

The I-10 revolving door seems to swing on a daily basis, with mixed success. It seems like the Grimsley saga has absolutely destroyed this team from the within.

So, what to be done?

The first is obvious-- fire Melvin.

I completely understand the arguement of those in favor of keeping B-Mo, you certainly cannot blame all of the woes of this team on the manager. However, as the old saying goes, you also cannot fire an entire 40-man roster, and frankly with Melvin not being Josh Byrnes's guy to begin with, you gotta wonder how soon before Melvin begins shopping for realtors and digs out the old "FOR SALE" sign for his yard.

Another option that seems to be obvious would be to work the wires and see what, if any, interest teams would have in players like Luis Gonzalez, Shawn Green, Tony Clark and perhaps Craig Counsell.

As much as seeing old favorites like Gonzo and Counsell go would be disappointing for nostalgic purposes, neither have a long term future with the team, and with younger, cheaper answers down in Tucson, perhaps the time to go in to complete youth-movement phase is upon us. If I'm the Diamondbacks, the time to see what Carlos Quentin, Chris Young, Stephen Drew and Alberto Callaspo have, and I work the phones to try and see what teams would be interested in some of the afforementioned vets.

As for a replacement for Melvin, names such as Chip Hale and even former New York (AL), Cincinnati, Seattle and Tampa Bay manager Lou Pinella have been mentioned, however if I'm Arizona I place the call to the bench and give Matt Williams a shot.

Matty, as we saw in his playing days, has just enough fire to light one under the backsides of the current youngsters on Arizona's roster, yet he also has enough cooth to use that fire in a constructive way. Bringing in Williams would also be beneficial to the players, many of whom were in a generation that grew up around Williams, thus allowing them to relate to the lessons Williams would have to offer.

These are just my suggestions. After a 2-17 streak in the month of June that eliminated a division lead and knocked the Diamondbacks in to last place in the NL West, desperate times call for desperate measures, and these measures very well could be the best for the long term success of Arizona Diamondback baseball.
 
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Excellent input

Sun Devil Jay said:
Another week has passed, and with it also passed have been more losses and more teams replacing Arizona in the NL West standings. And in all, the bleeding continues for the Arizona Diamondbacks.

The most recent Snake setback occured Saturday as the team squandered 4-0 lead and were sunk in the 13th following a Robb Quinlan 2-run homer with 2 outs.

The loss was Arizona's 5th in a row, and sit an all too impressive 2-17 in their last 19 games.

I know this has been said before, however it bears repeating. Something, ANYTHING needs to be done to stop the bleeding, ASAP.

The closed door meetings have done nothing, nor have Bob Melvin's Billy Martin-esque tantrums. Cutting Russ Ortiz has done nothing (not that it was going to anyhow, other than eating a bad contract that should have never been signed)..

The I-10 revolving door seems to swing on a daily basis, with mixed success. It seems like the Grimsley saga has absolutely destroyed this team from the within.

So, what to be done?

The first is obvious-- fire Melvin.

I completely understand the arguement of those in favor of keeping B-Mo, you certainly cannot blame all of the woes of this team on the manager. However, as the old saying goes, you also cannot fire an entire 40-man roster, and frankly with Melvin not being Josh Byrnes's guy to begin with, you gotta wonder how soon before Melvin begins shopping for realtors and digs out the old "FOR SALE" sign for his yard.

Another option that seems to be obvious would be to work the wires and see what, if any, interest teams would have in players like Luis Gonzalez, Shawn Green, Tony Clark and perhaps Craig Counsell.

As much as seeing old favorites like Gonzo and Counsell go would be disappointing for nostalgic purposes, neither have a long term future with the team, and with younger, cheaper answers down in Tucson, perhaps the time to go in to complete youth-movement phase is upon us. If I'm the Diamondbacks, the time to see what Carlos Quentin, Chris Young, Stephen Drew and Alberto Callaspo have, and I work the phones to try and see what teams would be interested in some of the afforementioned vets.

As for a replacement for Melvin, names such as Chip Hale and even former New York (AL), Cincinnati, Seattle and Tampa Bay manager Lou Pinella have been mentioned, however if I'm Arizona I place the call to the bench and give Matt Williams a shot.

Matty, as we saw in his playing days, has just enough fire to light one under the backsides of the current youngsters on Arizona's roster, yet he also has enough cooth to use that fire in a constructive way. Bringing in Williams would also be beneficial to the players, many of whom were in a generation that grew up around Williams, thus allowing them to relate to the lessons Williams would have to offer.

These are just my suggestions. After a 2-17 streak in the month of June that eliminated a division lead and knocked the Diamondbacks in to last place in the NL West, desperate times call for desperate measures, and these measures very well could be the best for the long term success of Arizona Diamondback baseball.


Without a doubt this team needs someone like Williams to light a fire under their butt. I'd consider bringing in a veteran Manager like a Piniella or even the guy who managed the Marlins and then have Hale or Williams be the head assistant with the plan to promote one of them when the interim fix retired. This would provide continuity for the youngsters.
 

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Man...this team is all kinds of bad right now. Personally, I would give them till the middle of July to turn things around. After that I'd turn the last 2.5 months over to our AAA all-stars. It's just painful to watch a team with zero power and a negative bullpen.

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Good call with McKeon Karl

AzKarl said:
Without a doubt this team needs someone like Williams to light a fire under their butt. I'd consider bringing in a veteran Manager like a Piniella or even the guy who managed the Marlins and then have Hale or Williams be the head assistant with the plan to promote one of them when the interim fix retired. This would provide continuity for the youngsters.


As a short term option, Jack McKeon would be a GREAT hire for the Diamondbacks. He brings just the type of fire I spoke of earlier and could be a good manager for someone like Matty to learn under. Good call.
 

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I don't often agree with Mark Grace, but as I tuned in last night he was heatedly saying, "...just play with some PRIDE, play the game hard, like you care, at least PLAY to win..."

Not that it matters or will make any difference, and I am NOT suggesting Grace for mgr. I don't want an old has-been, either. Last year I suggested Matt Williams early on, but honestly, I'm not too sure he's a good enough 'psychologist' for a modern-day manager.

I noticed Will Clark at the game the other night. Hmmm....

We have, once more, the drabbest looking bunch of guys ever. Where'd the energy go? Why do O-Dawg and Byrnes, known for their high-energy, fun-loving ways, seem about as lively as Russ Ortiz or Brian Bruney ... or Bob Melvin?

I had a dream the other night that Gonzo was benched in favor of CQ. One can always dream....


Off with their heads!
 

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suns31 said:
We need to play better in July
After this dreadful June, it's not too difficult to play better.

But it must begin with (as in the old saying), "Get your rear in gear and motivate."

As easy as it should be to get better, it will remain difficult until someone is brought in to motivate.
 

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I agree with this article. Well thought out if your going to give up on this season. If not we need another starter or two. Melvin may be one of the worst managers in the majors. He was bad in Seattle and even worse since joining the snakes. He waits to long with a pitcher, his players don't play hard for him and it appears he has no plan.

We are 4 games back, in this horrid division. A 500 team may win it. Fire Melvin then light a fire in the clubhouse that no ones can stay if they don't play. Matt Williams would be a good call or Grace.

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seesred said:
Matt Williams would be a good call or Grace.
How would someone with zero Managerial experience be a good call?

Unless he's paid a Manager's salary to be a cheerleader, while an underpaid Bench Coach manages the team.

The Suns did that decades ago when Dick VanArsdale was named Head Coach while John Wetzel, as Assistant, led the team. It was not a good investment in the future and didn't produce especially good results.

There's more to Managing than putting on a uniform and talking to the Press, as we learned with Bob Brenley.

Speaking of that, did Bob Melvin's tenure as Bench Coach under Brenly turn him into a good Manager -- a good leader?
 

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Sun Devil Jay said:
The I-10 revolving door seems to swing on a daily basis, with mixed success. It seems like the Grimsley saga has absolutely destroyed this team from the within.

The question needs to be asked - why such a marginal player like Grimsley and HIS situation should have had such a devastating impact on the rest of the team?

Unless there were many involved in what he was involved with.?

And why are the D-Backs being solely scrutinized and no other team as of now?
 

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