Stretch Fours

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

i know stretch fours are all the rage and the Suns want bender and Chris's to develop into that mold, but anyone concerned with the fact that a GIANT majority of their shots are coming behind the arc . . . sometimes exclusively for bender?

 

[Mainstreet]

Bender shooting three point shots does not bother me at this point in his career as he not physically mature enough to play inside. To a lesser extent the same applies to Chriss. Both are mostly finesse players at their young age. Chriss does try to play inside. Playing against Rudy Gobert last night does not help.

 

[hsandhu]

There is an issue developing with this team of old retreads vs young guys.

If I never see knight, barbosa, tucker, Chandler play for the suns again it'll be too soon.

The first three, and i ll put bledsoe in the category too, have 0 time for the young guys, and don't want to give theme the ball,or run anything for them, so just stick them in the corner. and by young guys, I mean Booker too, which is why he has some average games and some great games because there are times where the offense is running without involving him at all.

Bender and chriss both have lots of potential, I'm always impressed every time I see bender sprint, it's crazy for a guy his size, I just hope there developent isn't being stunted because of the above dynamic.

I blame the coach for playing the retreads so much, and the gm for even having them on the roster. I guess the only positive is the dynamic makes for a poopy team that will get another high pick to add to the current crop of young guys.

 

[Chaplin]

I don't get all the hate for Chandler. Tucker, Barbosa and Knight all have their problems, but I haven't seen any issues at all with Chandler.

 

[hsandhu]

I don't get all the hate for Chandler. Tucker, Barbosa and Knight all have their problems, but I haven't seen any issues at all with Chandler.

Just the fact he is taking too many minutes from len. yes he is a veteran professional, same with dudley, why I didn't mention him.

 

[Hoop Head]

There is an issue developing with this team of old retreads vs young guys.

If I never see knight, barbosa, tucker, Chandler play for the suns again it'll be too soon.

The first three, and i ll put bledsoe in the category too, have 0 time for the young guys, and don't want to give theme the ball,or run anything for them, so just stick them in the corner. and by young guys, I mean Booker too, which is why he has some average games and some great games because there are times where the offense is running without involving him at all.

Bender and chriss both have lots of potential, I'm always impressed every time I see bender sprint, it's crazy for a guy his size, I just hope there developent isn't being stunted because of the above dynamic.

I blame the coach for playing the retreads so much, and the gm for even having them on the roster. I guess the only positive is the dynamic makes for a ****** team that will get another high pick to add to the current crop of young guys.

I agree with Tucker and Knight but disagree in regards to Barbosa. He's not a selfish player, he just isn't good playmaker, he's not a selfish player though. He's playing like he has his entire career despite not being nearly as fast or explosive as he once was. He was one of the quickest players in the league so slowing down some hasn't been that detrimental to his career. I don't see him stinting anyones growth by getting the minutes he is, he's only averaging 12 mpg this year. Ulis isn't ready for big NBA minutes yet and is the only other young guard who could take the minutes that Barbosa is getting. Until Ulis can deliver on a consistent basis I'd rather not throw him out there in a losing situation for the sake of "experience". He would get abused by Utah's backcourt, which is one of the largest in the league. He's undersized and that won't change but until he's shown that he can at least get as much as he gives up he shouldn't be thrown out there and possibly have his confidence wrecked trying to guard guys like Exum, Hood, or Mack, who are 6'6, 6'8, and 6'3 respectively.

 

[overseascardfan]

This team is going to be bad for a lot longer than a couple years, like worse than PHI/NJ the last couple o years bad.

 

[Phrazbit]

This team is going to be bad for a lot longer than a couple years, like worse than PHI/NJ the last couple o years bad.

They're going to be bad, but we won't break any records like Philly did, we're already better than Philly is now, and they're in recovery from their years of ineptitude.

 

[Hoop Head]

This team is going to be bad for a lot longer than a couple years, like worse than PHI/NJ the last couple o years bad.

Like Phrazbit said, we won't be as bad as Philly and we're better than they are right now. Their tanking broke records for how bad a team could be. We have more young players to build around also. They have 3 Centers and an injured Power Forward who was the latest #1 pick. None of Philly's young guys have proven to be healthy enough to do anything in the NBA. Embiid looks really good but he missed his first 2 seasons because of various foot injuries, similar to what cut Yao's NBA career short. He's basically been what everyone feared what Len would be, health wise.

The Nets have been awful but not by design since they don't own any of their picks. They've filled out their roster with castoffs from other teams. They have horrible management who sold their future for Garnett and Pierce. Without any young players they've been forced to overpay for guys like Jeremy Lin. They even offered Tyler Johnson a 4 year/$50 million contract in hopes of getting some youth but Miami matched for some unknown reason.

We have plenty of young and promising players, we have one at every position, so we don't have a logjam of developing talent like Philly does. Warren and Booker have proven to be quality starters also, although Warren has had some injury problems they aren't recurring injuries like Bledsoe's knees or Embiid who missed his first 2 years because of injuries and surgeries to his right foot. If we had managed to sign Aldridge prior to last season I think we'd be fighting for a playoff spot right now. I'm glad we didn't sign him, although I was for it at the time, because we wouldn't have Chriss and Bender. Both should have bright futures in the league. Now that we've started our youth movement we can make guys like Bledsoe, Knight, and Chandler expendable. We don't have to trade them but we can if the right offer comes along. There are still minutes for our young guys with them on the roster. We'll have a top pick in this coming draft which has a lot of promising point guards projected to go in the lottery like Lonzo Ball at UCLA, Markelle Fultz in Washington, Dennis Smith from NC State, and De'Aaron Fox from Kentucky. We need a pass first playmaking PG and should be able to acquire that in the draft to help turn things around. Bender and Chriss will each have a year under their belts and hopefully one of them will be ready to be a productive starting PF. Ulis showed he's capable of running a team in summer league but that's not the NBA. He's undersized and because of that I doubt he'll be a longterm starting PG in the NBA.

 

[Suns_fan69]

Just the fact he is taking too many minutes from len. yes he is a veteran professional, same with dudley, why I didn't mention him.

Len has fouled out last 2 games in a row playing less than 25 mins. I don't think chandler is holding Len back much.

 

[sunsfan88]

Like Phrazbit said, we won't be as bad as Philly and we're better than they are right now.

Eh that's pretty arguable. They beat us by like 20 just a few weeks ago and I think Embiid had like 30 pts in 20 mins or something like that against Len. I'd say we're about equal. All their tanking is gonna pay off with the rise of Embiid.

 

[Hoop Head]

Eh that's pretty arguable. They beat us by like 20 just a few weeks ago and I think Embiid had like 30 pts in 20 mins or something like that against Len. I'd say we're about equal. All their tanking is gonna pay off with the rise of Embiid.

If Embiid can stay healthy then sure he could be a franchise changing player but that's if he can stay healthy. He's already been through 2 years on his rookie deal so he'll get a payday sooner than most and they'll have to judge that based on a smaller scale. Missing 2 years with foot injuries and multiple surgeries, at his size, isn't a good sign. I think he's still just as likely to be the next Greg Oden as he is to be the next Anthony Davis. I don't envy Philly's position with their logjam at Center. Bigs are harder to come by but they'll have to move one soon, possibly 2 to clear way for whoever they stick with. Surely Embiid and Okafor won't be happy splitting time at Center regularly. Ben Simmons is projected to be a PF also, which means they won't be playing together either.

 

[overseascardfan]

They're going to be bad, but we won't break any records like Philly did, we're already better than Philly is now, and they're in recovery from their years of ineptitude.

This year's PHI team beat us by 15 points last month (back to back game excuse doesn't fly) and have 2 fewer wins than us and if they played us more often their record would be better than ours. To be fair though, no one expects PHX to win more than 30 games this year even from the get go.

 

[Mainstreet]

I agree with Tucker and Knight but disagree in regards to Barbosa. He's not a selfish player, he just isn't good playmaker, he's not a selfish player though. He's playing like he has his entire career despite not being nearly as fast or explosive as he once was. He was one of the quickest players in the league so slowing down some hasn't been that detrimental to his career. I don't see him stinting anyones growth by getting the minutes he is, he's only averaging 12 mpg this year. Ulis isn't ready for big NBA minutes yet and is the only other young guard who could take the minutes that Barbosa is getting. Until Ulis can deliver on a consistent basis I'd rather not throw him out there in a losing situation for the sake of "experience". He would get abused by Utah's backcourt, which is one of the largest in the league. He's undersized and that won't change but until he's shown that he can at least get as much as he gives up he shouldn't be thrown out there and possibly have his confidence wrecked trying to guard guys like Exum, Hood, or Mack, who are 6'6, 6'8, and 6'3 respectively.

I'm a real fan of Barbosa. I always enjoy watching him play and I would like to keep him on the Suns roster into the future. However, I haven't seen any evidence Ulis isn't ready to be the Suns backup PG. The team seems to have more direction when he is on the court.