Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[Ronin]

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Lol. @Hoop Head Im pretty sure there are plenty of NBA fans on this board. Heck i watch more other nba games than i watch Suns games, mainly because i cant afford NBA League Pass. So whatever is on espn/tnt, I'll watch...beggers cant be choosy. Just saying

 

[Mainstreet]

Pretty sure we only have his early Bird rights, which is after 2 years instead of 3 for full Bird. That allows us to sign him for 175 of his previous salary or just a little higher than the midlevel exception. I doubt someone will offer Bol more than the MLE but we may need to pony up the full exception if we want to keep him. I'd imagine another team will gamble on him for a year but going beyond that is where I can see team options and non-guaranteed money being a factor.

This is good stuff. You got me looking this information up, but even now I'm not sure because I found it in bits and pieces and from different years.

I think the Suns may also have an option to pay Bol Bol, with Early Bird Rights, about 104.5% of the NBA league average salary.

It's unclear if this covered under the CBA, MLE for taxpayers.

'Early Bird Rights'

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[Hoop Head]

Lol. @Hoop Head Im pretty sure there are plenty of NBA fans on this board. Heck i watch more other nba games than i watch Suns games, mainly because i cant afford NBA League Pass. So whatever is on espn/tnt, I'll watch...beggers cant be choosy. Just saying

Oh I know. I was just teasing since he and I had a bet over the finals and he had to sport that as an avatar for a month since the Celtics won.

No malice just a call back.

 

[Hoop Head]

This is good stuff. You got me looking this information up, but even now I'm not sure because I found it in bits and pieces and from different years.

I think the Suns may also have an option to pay Bol Bol, with Early Bird Rights, about 104.5% of the NBA league average salary.

It's unclear if this covered under the CBA, MLE for taxpayers.

'Early Bird Rights'

Early Bird Rights are a variant of Bird Rights, which we have also discussed in this glossary. One of the major differences between an Early Bird Rights and a Bird Rights ... Read More

www.nbamaniacs.com

https://www.sportscasting.com/news/what-are-bird-rights-how-nba-teams-use-them/

That's how we went over to re-sign Okogie last off-season or Royce. Okogie is important to note since we only had early bird rights on him.

 

[Mainstreet]

That's how we went over to re-sign Okogie last off-season or Royce. Okogie is important to note since we only had early bird rights on him.

Yes, but I'm wondering what is the most the Suns can pay Bol Bol.

Can they get into the $13 million a year range, the pay of an average NBA player? It's not clear to me. I doubt if another team would go that high but I am curious.

 

[Hoop Head]

Yes, but I'm wondering what is the most the Suns can pay Bol Bol.

Can they get into the $13 million a year range, the pay of an average NBA player? It's not clear to me. I doubt if another team would go that high but I am curious.

Yes, about that much. I'm not sure of the exact number but above the regular non-tax MLE, which is usually based on average annual salary in the league. So if it's $11.5 right now, I think $13m is a good estimate. It's just enough to make a difference and lure a player to stay vs leave in free agency and that's before looking at the increased salary after the first year due to the size of raises annually.

 

[Yuma]

I don't even think about the play-in and/or the playoffs anymore.

It seems to me, ownership and the front office have accepted their fate in the worst possible way.

They didn't make a significant trade to improve the team at the trade deadline, nor clean house while their assets had the most value.

If anything, the Suns priority seemed to be, dump future salary.

I think they couldn't get a KD trade done this deadline. I think everyone (ESPN, NBA pundits, etc) feels there may be changes in the offseason. I think it was Kellan Olson who said he thought KD to Houston rumors began when someone leaked a trade that didn't go down in 2024. Then KD or one of his buddies said he was open to be moved in 2024. It's either tinker around the edges again, maybe trading for a center and bringing everyone else back, or it will be a KD move most likely.

 

[Mainstreet]

This tweet sounds like Jae Crowder didn't want the Suns to trade him, but a conflict with Monty may have been the reason.

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[Covert Rain]

This tweet sounds like Jae Crowder didn't want the Suns to trade him, but a conflict with Monty may have been the reason.

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None of this is new I don't think. It was pretty widely reported that Monty didn't like dealing with Jae and later McGee. I never doubted it was a reason.

 

[Mainstreet]

None of this is new I don't think. It was pretty widely reported that Monty didn't like dealing with Jae and later McGee. I never doubted it was a reason.

I think the only thing new is Jae Crowder addressing it directly, as he has thus far.

 

[Hoop Head]

I think the only thing new is Jae Crowder addressing it directly, as he has thus far.

It sounds like Monty will definitely be thrown under the bus, which is fair, but I think James Jones' role needs elaborated on. He failed this team as a whole by allowing Crowder to sit for 4 months, reducing his value. There was talk of trading him for a pick right after the season and when that didn't materialize almost all Crowder trade talk stopped. It's reasonable for Jae to get mentioned in that space also, like Grayson and Royce are now, because midlevel salaries of vets who are borderline starters are what push contenders over the edge and get them to part with picks. They provide instant help.

Jae was sat and there were numerous trades rumored before he was slipped into the KD deal. He made the same salary as Saric as well so the idea his salary was instrumental to a KD deal has never aligned with reality. Saric was traded for a bum who washed out within 2 months. Darius Beaszley isn't an NBA player and while I can't blame a team for taking a flyer, we could have had Rui Hachimura, who did display NBA talent.