Suns fire McD

[Mainstreet]

That's simply wrong and will lead to even more stupid decisions.

That is not saying much.

I think if the Suns had managed to trade for quality point guard this past summer they would be very close.

 

[Raindog]

Yeah it is. Maybe we should be further along, maybe even much further along but we were as low as a franchise can get when Ryan was hired.

I agree - Booker and Ayton, plus at least a few more credible pieces and prospects (Warren, Jackson, Bridges, Okobo) is much, MUCH better than that 2012-13 team.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If you’ve lost faith in him, even a little, it’s the only time to can him so he can’t further wreck your team. But by all means try to convince me why you let a gm you’re on the fence about choose your next head coach, use your number one pick, trade away a future asset, use some cap space and trade other assets away . . . go for it.

He'd just extended him the year before, I don't believe Sarver was on the fence about him at all. But if he had serious doubts, he should have already fired him. On that we agree. But, still, I would hate to see it done at the end of the season when the most important decisions for your franchise's future are made. It should have been done several months earlier so a new front office could do their research.

 

[SunsTzu]

Maybe Sarver finally got tire of McD making him look bad--at least in Sarver's mind. Again, not trying to defend Sarver, just trying to get an accurate assessment of the situation.

Sarver did a fine job of making himself look bad long before McDonough ever showed up.

 

[hcsilla]

I do too. I think Sarver learned a lot about his shortcomings as a basketball mind from his Childress/Warrick/Turkoglu debacle

The ChildressWarrick/Turkoglu disaster was such a terrible operation that even Isiah Thomas (the NYK GM) had a hard time to beat its stupidity.

Learning from that is such a small step from such a huge depth, that it deserves no appreciation.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Sarver did a fine job of making himself look bad long before McDonough ever showed up.

Yes he did. And though we all hate on Babby, Lon did a good job of steering Sarver in the right direction (getting him to abandon the foam finger side of himself). Ryan took it even further although the TV contract gave him leverage with Sarver that no other GM or President had before.

 

[Mainstreet]

That's about the only thing that surprised me in the interview. I really was expecting him to promote James to the position rather than making it an interim move.

As for end of the rebuild, I think he might have worded it differently if he hadn't been given a multiple choice question. I sure would. I think we are beyond the mid point but until we fill the holes at the 1 and the 4, it's tough to call us anything other than a rebuilding team still.

I think postponing the hire of a GM is showing etiquette towards McDonough. Otherwise, it looks like it might have been in the works for awhile.

IMO, most teams are trying to fill a hole on their roster but two holes at the end of a rebuild is not acceptable.

 

[Proximo]

That's simply wrong and will lead to even more stupid decisions.

In a way I agree with him. We have no more room for under 21 year old's on this team.

If we get any more they have to replace existing ones. What we need is a couple of vets - that said I don't want to trade those young guys for a declining player. We may just have to wait a few years for the guys we have to develop. We are not really in rebuilding, we are in the waiting stage is the way I look at it.

I mean don't get me wrong, if the opportunity to get Zion presents itself after a bad first half of the season, I will be all in favor of tanking cause I think he will be worth it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

What?!? That makes NO sense. And I’m sorry your “there are too many things already going” is just a silly nonsense comment without substance.

totally agree. The worst time to get a new GM is when... GM's might be available and you're facing a cross-roads for the future, with a bunch of picks and a new coach needed?

This just screams of what Mao was talking about where people just keep fluffing the franchise no matter what moves they make.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I liked the interview, IMO Somers isn't doing Sarver justice with this comment.

It isn’t like Somers to take shots though . . .

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

That's simply wrong and will lead to even more stupid decisions.

I took that statement as meaning that losing a lot of games is no longer acceptable and that is probably a good stance to have considering there have already been signs that your best player may get disgruntled if you don't start winning a lot more.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Did you listen to the interview? It was more about what he did not say than what he did say.

Somers is being ridiculous with this tweet.

Sarver is not going to get on the radio and say my team, and my pg's absolutely suck.

He is obviously not happy about the team's performance in the preseason, and I agree with him. Other than Ayton the team has looked pathetic, and that just isn't good enough.

I do think a pg would make a big difference and it is inexcusable that the team does not have one days before the season starts. Literally the NZ pg we played against the other night is better than what we currently have and I seriously would have considered signing him if I was McDonough.

Alright that’s a couple of you that say Somers tweet wasn’t fair. I’ll give y’all the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He'd just extended him the year before, I don't believe Sarver was on the fence about him at all. But if he had serious doubts, he should have already fired him. On that we agree. But, still, I would hate to see it done at the end of the season when the most important decisions for your franchise's future are made. It should have been done several months earlier so a new front office could do their research.

On that we can agree!

 

[sdscard4]

Dragic will be here by Friday book it.

 

[Proximo]

It isn’t like Somers to take shots though . . .

I have a feeling he is not a Sarver fan. Neither am I, but I don't think it was a bad interview at all, all things considered.

 

[JCSunsfan]

If you’ve lost faith in him, even a little, it’s the only time to can him so he can’t further wreck your team. But by all means try to convince me why you let a gm you’re on the fence about choose your next head coach, use your number one pick, trade away a future asset, use some cap space and trade other assets away . . . go for it.

This is not a LATE firing, it is an early one. I know that many here wanted McD gone long ago. It is clear that Sarver came to that conclusion only recently. Once he did, he acted.

That is the way I see it anyway. I do not think he had lost faith last spring.

 

[Mainstreet]

I can't believe azcentral has sports headlines on what Mike James thinks.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...applauds-firing-gm-ryan-mcdonough/1569934002/

 

[JCSunsfan]

totally agree. The worst time to get a new GM is when... GM's might be available and you're facing a cross-roads for the future, with a bunch of picks and a new coach needed?

This just screams of what Mao was talking about where people just keep fluffing the franchise no matter what moves they make.

Why would you pay a GM to do a full year of scouting and prep for the draft and then fire him one month before it? It would make sense to switch much earlier in the year than after the season ends.

Like I said. I would rather keep McD. I do not have confidence in Sarver's abilty to pick a GM. But I have no problem with the timing of this.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This is not a LATE firing, it is an early one. I know that many here wanted McD gone long ago. It is clear that Sarver came to that conclusion only recently. Once he did, he acted.

That is the way I see it anyway. I do not think he had lost faith last spring.

an early firing... man, sometimes I really think we live on different planets viewing this team.

I don't know how firing a GM right AFTER he hired a new head coach can be construed as early.

 

[hcsilla]

In a way I agree with him. We have no more room for under 21 year old's on this team.

I think we do until we find all of our core players.

We have one in Booker. Probably/hopefully a 2nd one in Ayton. Maybe even a 3rd one in Jackson.

That's still quite far from announcing the end of rebuilding.

Sarver probably thought that we were close to ending the rebuilding when it didn't even start it and that might be one of the reasons why he wants to call it a day so quickly.

 

[1Sun]

From my perspective, the irony is this:

Where things started to go south with McDonough was his over-collection of point guards during the summer of 2014.

The last straw for him, in my opinion, was the complete lack of point guards (and over-collection of wings) after the summer of 2018.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think we do until we find all of our core players.

We have one in Booker. Probably/hopefully a 2nd one in Ayton. Maybe even a 3rd one in Jackson.

That's still quite far from announcing the end of rebuilding.

Sarver probably thought that we were close to ending the rebuilding when we didn't even start it and that might be one of the reasons why he wants to call it a day so quickly.

Not sure why we are even putting a "probably" in front of Ayton's name. He is the real deal.

My guess is that McD was unwilling to trade picks. He was still working with a 2-3 year timeline. Sarver wants to deal the picks and gamble that we will be better right away and the picks won't be as valuable.

Please, whoever makes the next decisions in the Suns front office--DO NOT TRADE UNPROTECTED PICKS!!!!

Have the Suns EVER protected their own picks when they traded them?

 

[Mainstreet]

He wasn't going to fire him. I think Sarver made some key mistakes this offseason, starting with trading away the Miami pick for someone that was neither a point guard nor a forward. You don't know in advance that someone is going to do the wrong thing or that what they do is going to fail. Sarver continued to give him rope and after seeing Anderson and our 4 PGs, he felt something needed to be done.

I didn't like trading the future Miami pick, which I have said many times, not necessarily because it would produce a nice player but because of it's trade value. Add that to the Bucks pick and something else the Suns could offer a nice package for a point guard.

 

[AzStevenCal]

an early firing... man, sometimes I really think we live on different planets viewing this team.

I don't know how firing a GM right AFTER he hired a new head coach can be construed as early.

It's not exactly the opposite of what you're saying. If you believe in the GM enough to let him handle the draft and coaching search, firing him now could be seen as "early".

 

[AzStevenCal]

I didn't like trading the future Miami pick, which I have said many times, not necessarily because it would produce a nice player but because of it's trade value. Add that to the Bucks pick and something else the Suns could offer a nice package for a point guard.

I wanted and expected us to trade the Miami pick. But I expected us to trade it to fill our holes at the 1 or the 4. I didn't expect him to add another 3.