Suns @ Spurs - Game Thread - Sat. May 12, 2007 - 5:00 pm

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Saturday, 5:00pm at Spurs TV: ABC
By ELIZABETH WHITE, Associated Press Writer
SAN ANTONIO (AP) -- Amare Stoudemire's accusation that the Spurs are a "dirty team" should really fire up the already rugged playoff series between Phoenix and San Antonio.
Shouldn't it?
Well, it didn't appear to do much for the Spurs, who had their first chance Friday to respond to Stoudemire's comments and mostly said they weren't all that bothered.
"He can continue to give us fuel if he wants to, but honestly we're not going to play any harder or any less because of what anybody says," Tim Duncan said. "For whatever reason, I guess people don't expect people to play hard. It's not the regular season. We're not going to let people walk through us."
On Thursday, Stoudemire said Bruce Bowen tried to hurt him during the Suns' 101-81 series-evening victory in Game 2 on Tuesday. He also called out Manu Ginobili and blasted the entire team as "dirty."
"It was a purpose kick to the Achilles' and he definitely tried to injure me," Stoudemire said of Bowen.
Spurs coach Gregg Popovich called the whole situation "irrelevant."
"I saw the replay and it's obvious I did clip him, but to kick him, that wasn't the intention at all," Bowen said. "It was an unfortunate situation and I'm sorry that he feels that way. ... I have a lot of respect for him, so I wouldn't do that."
Stoudemire stood by his remarks Friday.
"My comments were made and they were positive comments," he said. "There was no negativity and no bad gestures toward players. Just being honest, and I'm done with it."
Suns coach Mike D'Antoni said Stoudemire was just saying what he felt. Stoudemire said he did not talk to the league and Bowen said he hadn't, either.
"Whether it's right or wrong, that's for you guys to discuss," D'Antoni said. "But I listened to the comment. I don't think it was bad."
Ginobili said he was surprised to be singled out by the Suns' center, who along with Phoenix's Steve Nash and Duncan were selected to the all-NBA first team Thursday. Stoudemire said Ginobili kneed him on purpose during the regular season.
"It's a team thing, you don't want to leave Bruce alone all the time," Ginobili joked, referring to past accusations against Bowen. "We try to play hard; I don't think anybody's dirty. I don't know why he said it but I really don't have anything to say about it."
Saturday's Game 3 is sure to be rife with tension, at least for San Antonio fans, who will surely be riled up. But the Spurs said they're more concerned about making a few adjustments and getting Ginobili, who has had a subpar series thus far, involved.
Ginobili has averaged 11.6 points during the playoffs, down from 16.5 during the regular season. He scored just six points in Tuesday's loss and eight in the Spurs' Game 1 victory in Phoenix. Ginobili torched Phoenix for career highs of 48 points and 16 made field goals in a game in January 2005.
"I'm not making the shots, first, and then of course they're playing good 'D,"' Ginobili said. "I didn't play good the first two games, my shots were not looking good, so of course the confidence was not there. But as I said before, I just try to forget about it and play a more relaxed game."
And Ginobili's teammates are confident they'll get what they need from him.
"We're not worried about Manu. It's not a ceremony to revive him, so to speak," Bowen said Thursday. "We understand he's going to play well, he's going to do all right."
The teams have had three days off, and neither practiced on Wednesday. The Suns said they know what to expect coming to San Antonio, and even if they don't return home up 3-1, they don't want to head back to Arizona on the brink of elimination.
"They're going to pull out all the stops to win these two," D'Antoni said. "We need to get at least one. Should be a great battle."
AP Sports Writer Andrew Bagnato contributed to this report from Phoenix.

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Unfortunately, dirty play does not get spotlighted until someone really gets hurt. "Almost" doesn't seem to make it onto the radar.

The key to being a "great" thug is doing things in a way that he doesn't get caught very often. When caught, the response is always "well, it wasn't intentional". Of course it's intentional.

Tough defense does not require dirty play. Kobe is a great defender, yet all his rough stuff comes from throwing elbows on offense.I have never seen any player call out someone for dirty play based on a one time accident. Nobody accuses Prince of dirty play and he is one of the leagues best stoppers.

Due to the nature of the sport, it is very hard to protect players from dirty play. The refs can't be looking everywhere and deliberate stuff like standing on guys feet, kicking in the ankles, etc. are very hard to catch. Undercutting may be called as a foul, but it is dangerous and never T-ed up.

I don't know what the answer is. In football, attempts to hurt opponents is easy to handle. Wolfe on 620 noted that they would just go after a player in a way that he wouldn't do it again.

It may go back to the start of football, but in the 1950's the Cleveland Browns had what they called the "bootsy" play (run by the offense). Every player except the quarterback would simply go after the offending player. They'd stand him up and each run into him before knocking him down and piling on. For the price of one 15 yard penalty, the problem was solved.

You can't really do anything like that in basketball. The result is that it is very hard to control dirty play and always risks creating fights.
 

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You can't really do anything like that in basketball. The result is that it is very hard to control dirty play and always risks creating fights.

In some cases those moves appear designed to create an angry reaction, especially if the game's tight. Angry reactions, no matter how justified, can easily result in T's or ejection. With a few minutes left in a close game, some players are a whole lot more dispensable than others.
 

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It will be a close game. Both teams will lead at various points, but the Suns will build enough of a cushion (five to eight points) down the stretch that they won't have to make any big plays that decide the game one way or the other.

Prediction: Suns by 6 in the late 90s, early 100s.
 

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I'm guessing that SA will take this one, but Phoenix will steal game 4.

Spurs - 99
Suns - 92
 

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Amare and Kurt have to stay out of foul trouble, I feel Amare is about to takeover
 

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Nash is just not himself this game, what on earth is going on? Way too many turnovers for the Suns, both Nash and Barbosa, and a lot of passes are being bumbled.

Its frustrating how the Suns controlled most of the game so far but let SA go on a little run and take the lead, and the momentum going into the half.
 

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****ing mental breakdowns... Shawn Marion missing easy ones again, Nash letting the ball slip away, Diaw throwing it away..
 

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that was f'n pathetic. Is the team trying to prove THEY DON'T need Amare to beat this team. Give the guy THE DAMN BALL. I'm furious right now - why we decided to go the Boris Diaw route after it was apparent his flash int he pan was over is beyond me. Totally pissed.
 

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Nash, did that really weak trap that nevers works on that Finley 3. He is playing like ****, I think his back hurts.
 

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that was f'n pathetic. Is the team trying to prove THEY DON'T need Amare to beat this team. Give the guy THE DAMN BALL. I'm furious right now - why we decided to go the Boris Diaw route after it was apparent his flash int he pan was over is beyond me. Totally pissed.

Yep, they are sucked into the whole match up thing that never works for them, seduced once again.

Diaw might have had a decent start but he was downright awful as the "Go to" in the second quarter.
 

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Nash is having a terrible game and we're only down two. If he wakes up and just plays to half his potential, look out.
 

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Nash's energy and concentration level seems way down. Amare and Diaw and Raja were in there holding the forte for us. Seeing as how Marion can't make proper entry passes to Diaw on the low post, my frustration with DA grows beyond bound. Also, the Spurs are now double-teaming Diaw with a big from weak side. We don't seem to have an answer for it.

We still need Nash to recover his energy and hope Amare won't get into foul trouble for the 2nd half.

Besides that bad call 3secs after Manu's shot, the refs are OK. Particularly encouraging is that they were very alert about tricks by the Spurs, mostly Horry, trying to draw a foul call on Amare by starting with a foul.
 

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Nash did NOTHING!

That has to be one of the worst halves he's played all year.

Getting hammered on the boards.

Does Duncan ever get a rebound that he doesn't go over someones back to pull down.
 

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****ing mental breakdowns... Shawn Marion missing easy ones again, Nash letting the ball slip away, Diaw throwing it away..

I don't really blame Diaw. I blame DA for not practising posting Diaw in the regular season more, be be prepared for counter moves by the opponents. They are rushing it also. Be patient. You don't need to always have to turn towards the hoop. Get out a step or two to negate the double teaming!
 
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I like how D'Antoni called a time-out specifically to pull Amare with two minutes left in the half. It was pretty obvious what was going to happen if he let things go there.

Diaw actually played very well, I thought. Barbosa needs to step up a bit, and Nash has to get free of the Bowen tentacles--it would be nice to see a few double-screens in the second half.

The Suns have to get back to running, and try to wear the Spurs down a bit. Since Duncan obviously won't foul out, that's the only way they're going to get him out of his rhythm.
 

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24-15 rebounding difference.

Nash was terrible in the half.

KT 1-5. He was hitting same shots last game.

Turnovers 11-7.
 

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Does Duncan ever get a rebound that he doesn't go over someones back to pull down.
Also, every time he shoots the ball it should be a charge. Diaw and Thomas are standing straight, and Duncan (and the refs) must believe its a foul on them when Duncan throws his arms into them on a shot. Obviously I guess they should just move out of his way and let him do whatever he wants???
 
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