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From Coro's blog:
A direct Suns source has shot down the report that the Suns are talking about trading Amare Stoudemire for Tracy McGrady in a package including other players. Such a discussion has never taken place, according to the Suns this morning.There's the same full-fledged denial out of Houston.

As for speculation about Ben Wallace being moved on to New Orleans for Tyson Chandler, it's a possibility. Chandler has long been of interest as an ideal basketball fit for the Suns that would make them a really good team immediately. Chandler also has a big in-house fan in Suns assistant coach Bill Cartwright, who was Chandler's first head coach in Chicago. Chandler would be the ideal center in a Suns lineup because he is a rebounding machine and the kind of defender Phoenix needs to protect Steve Nash in pick-and-rolls and Stoudemire in the paint. He is athletic enough to play the Suns' run-and-fun ways and can finish in a two-man game.

The salaries work as far as a straight-up trade but the problems could be Chandler's health issues that caused Oklahoma City to veto an in-season deal and that the Suns would be hurting their 2010 free agency flexibility. Wallace is an expiring $14 million contract that could also provide the Suns more immediate financial relief with a buyout (although he would still count as a $14 million salary for luxury tax purposes). Chandler's contract goes into the 2010-11 season at about $13 million.

If you haven't seen the story that makes the Suns trade official, there was a change in the second-round pick the Suns are acquiring. How about Danny Ferry asking for top-40 protection on a second-round pick with a team that just went 66-16?

One other detail: Pavlovic apparently does not need to be released at any particular time to avoid a full guarantee on his $4.95 million salary. It even sounds like he could be on the roster for a percentage of the season that would pay him the $1.5 million he is guaranteed and still be released to get the $6.9 million savings ($3.45 million in salary and another $3.45 million in luxury tax)

So it seems to me that if the Suns really want Chandler, they can pretty much have him, and it really depends on whether they are willing to take on his salary and potential health issues.

As for the Cleveland draft pick, that is really sad that the Suns again are allowing other teams to dictate the terms of the deals. Other teams will think the Suns are desperate to save money and will not offer a lot of value in any other trades the Suns office may wish to pursue.
 

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As for the Cleveland draft pick, that is really sad that the Suns again are allowing other teams to dictate the terms of the deals. Other teams will think the Suns are desperate to save money and will not offer a lot of value in any other trades the Suns office may wish to pursue.

A 2nd round pick is like having a $1 ticket for Powerball. Doesn't phase me at all.
 

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I posted this on another thread. If the Suns get Chandler they can't trade Amare because Chandler makes us worse in the Paint offensively and doesn't have much of a post game. Which means you must keep Amare or trade Amare for another big who can at least give you 15 PPG a night at the PF position.

This is great from a defensive/rebounding perspective but you still need easy buckets in the paint and the Hornets were horrible in the paint and from the Center position in that regard. Losing Shaq in that department is a big blow to your paint offense.
 
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Amare for McGrady will be the last I'll ever root for the Suns. Uber gimp McGrady is all we can get back??
 

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get CHANDLER! I always liked him. Good enough offensively, same body as Amare, and he hits the boards. Also allows Amare to cover teh PF and DOMINATE!!!
 

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The fact that Cleveland gave up nearly nothing; and then Protected their 2nd round draft pick is hilarious... if you live in Cleveland. Kerr is a joke, on the scale of Isaiah Thomas. The fact that the Suns didn't protect the draft picks with the KT trade (straight off the heals of being jobbed by Atlanta's protection) and now accept another protected pick shows what terrible negotiators work in the front office of the Suns. It's embarrassing.
 

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A 2nd round pick is like having a $1 ticket for Powerball. Doesn't phase me at all.

I think it's more like having the winning ticket to a smaller jack pot. How much did the Suns sell their second for last year?

A lot of people have been saying that this draft while weak on potential superstars is deep on talent. I bet the Suns could have easily sold that pick for additional cash.
 

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get CHANDLER! I always liked him. Good enough offensively, same body as Amare, and he hits the boards. Also allows Amare to cover teh PF and DOMINATE!!!

Would be a good move. If the Suns are committed to keeping Nash around they might as well run like the wind and get Chandler to defend the pick and roll.
 

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get CHANDLER! I always liked him. Good enough offensively, same body as Amare, and he hits the boards. Also allows Amare to cover teh PF and DOMINATE!!!

sounds like exactly what you said when we got Shaq. Chandler is not what he was in '07. I'm not excited about him. Isn't he the same guy who failed a physical to get onto the Thunder? yea it is, ill pass.
 

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The fact that Cleveland gave up nearly nothing; and then Protected their 2nd round draft pick is hilarious... if you live in Cleveland. Kerr is a joke, on the scale of Isaiah Thomas. The fact that the Suns didn't protect the draft picks with the KT trade (straight off the heals of being jobbed by Atlanta's protection) and now accept another protected pick shows what terrible negotiators work in the front office of the Suns. It's embarrassing.

I think you missed the joke. The Cleveland pick is top-40 protected. The only way they fall between 31 and 40 is if they have one of the ten worst records in the league. The protection will be completely irrelevant.
 

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Chandler, Amare, Nash, Hill (healthy) and JRich gets us back into the playoffs, IMO, but not deep into them. Would still like to see JRich traded for a long #2 that defends and can hit an occasional 3. Wonder what Raja is doing?... kidding.
 

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I think you missed the joke. The Cleveland pick is top-40 protected. The only way they fall between 31 and 40 is if they have one of the ten worst records in the league. The protection will be completely irrelevant.

I like that the pick is next year. The Suns might actually take a player instead of just selling the pick.
 

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sounds like exactly what you said when we got Shaq. Chandler is not what he was in '07. I'm not excited about him. Isn't he the same guy who failed a physical to get onto the Thunder? yea it is, ill pass.

I'm not getting the point because Shaq played much better than expected in Phoenix. Maybe you're using sarcasm?
 

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As much as i love the guy and what he's meant for this franchise i just can't get enthusiastic about the SUNS future until Nash and his major defensive liabilities are gone. I really like the idea of having Chandler next to Amare. It makes sense and could be a nice blend up front. Our backcourt is a sieve and it's not gonna help anybody else out until Nash is gone.
 

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I think you missed the joke. The Cleveland pick is top-40 protected. The only way they fall between 31 and 40 is if they have one of the ten worst records in the league. The protection will be completely irrelevant.

yeah, the likelihood is 2%. I understand that part, but I read it like this, "OK, will give you a 2nd rounder also." pauses to put Steve Kerr on hold and thinks a second about Tom Brady and his snapped knee, also Michael Jordan and his heel. Picks line back up, "you know Steve, let's protect that pick just to sure... ha, ha, of course there would never be any need to exercise that option." Kerr laughs and agrees.

"Can you believe those guys? They even accepted a protection on that crappy pick!"
 

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As for the Cleveland draft pick, that is really sad that the Suns again are allowing other teams to dictate the terms of the deals. Other teams will think the Suns are desperate to save money and will not offer a lot of value in any other trades the Suns office may wish to pursue.

Aren't you making an assumption here? The 46th pick we were originally rumored to receive didn't actually belong to Clevland, so they couldn't offer it. The pick was to go to Miami in a previous deal. Now we could have asked for their 1st, but I'm pretty sure they already tried and were rebuffed. So since they had a deal in place and 2nd rounders almost never pan out, why not take next years? In all likelyhood it will be a lower pick, but an injury to James and they will tank. So they ask for protection against that, seems logical. I'm sure most wish Kerr had received the same for our first next year.
 

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As much as i love the guy and what he's meant for this franchise i just can't get enthusiastic about the SUNS future until Nash and his major defensive liabilities are gone. I really like the idea of having Chandler next to Amare. It makes sense and could be a nice blend up front. Our backcourt is a sieve and it's not gonna help anybody else out until Nash is gone.


Nash's defense would be a much smaller liability with a center that can guard the pick n roll and rebound.
 

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Nash's defense would be a much smaller liability with a center that can guard the pick n roll and rebound.

I don't buy it. Pick and roll defense and covering for Nash are 2 different things. If Nash's guys drives around him (like they usually do), your big man will have to rotate to the paint to cover. Which means they will be in foul trouble or force your team into rotation hell trying to over the open shooter. Not every instance of Nash getting beat is on a pick and roll. I would say the majority are not pick and roll situations.
 

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Final verdict: Suns will suck next year.
 
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Aren't you making an assumption here? The 46th pick we were originally rumored to receive didn't actually belong to Clevland, so they couldn't offer it. The pick was to go to Miami in a previous deal. Now we could have asked for their 1st, but I'm pretty sure they already tried and were rebuffed. So since they had a deal in place and 2nd rounders almost never pan out, why not take next years? In all likelyhood it will be a lower pick, but an injury to James and they will tank. So they ask for protection against that, seems logical. I'm sure most wish Kerr had received the same for our first next year.
It's a protection on a second round pick in a trade where Cleveland is already giving up nothing of value in return. The worst case scenario (extremely unlikely) is that pick becomes 31st overall. That would still have been a small price to pay from Cleveland's perspective since they are not giving up anything else to get Shaq, and yet they demanded protection knowing the Suns will agree to just about anything they ask for.

You are also making an assumption that the Suns asked for the 30th pick this year and were turned down. I think it's very likely they didn't want that pick because it's guaranteed money.
 

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It's a protection on a second round pick in a trade where Cleveland is already giving up nothing of value in return. The worst case scenario (extremely unlikely) is that pick becomes 31st overall. That would still have been a small price to pay from Cleveland's perspective since they are not giving up anything else to get Shaq, and yet they demanded protection knowing the Suns will agree to just about anything they ask for.

They protected themselves from worst case scenario, they kept the deal pretty close to what was agreed. Perhaps they offered the 5 better possible seedings for the pick being delayed a year? Either way, there's nothing to suggest the Suns will agree to just about anything, I don't even see evidence to support an assumption?

I personally don't like the deal either deal, but you are jumping to conclussions here. I know you guys hate this management, but let's hate them for legit reasons, there's plenty of them.

You are also making an assumption that the Suns asked for the 30th pick this year and were turned down. I think it's very likely they didn't want that pick because it's guaranteed money.

It is an assumption, but based on what Kerr had told the media. They wanted a young player or picks. Apparently this is the best offer they could get.
 

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The fact that Cleveland gave up nearly nothing; and then Protected their 2nd round draft pick is hilarious... if you live in Cleveland. Kerr is a joke, on the scale of Isaiah Thomas. The fact that the Suns didn't protect the draft picks with the KT trade (straight off the heals of being jobbed by Atlanta's protection) and now accept another protected pick shows what terrible negotiators work in the front office of the Suns. It's embarrassing.

AMEN!
 

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It is an assumption, but based on what Kerr had told the media. They wanted a young player or picks. Apparently this is the best offer they could get.

So what exactly did we get? No youngster and a 2nd round pick that's top 40 protected!? Great going Steve, real great. I don't believe for a second that's the best deal for a pretty damn good and expiring Shaq.

Look at what the Spurs gave up for Richard Jefferson -- Oberto, KT and mr evil himself, Bruce Bowen.
 
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