sunsfn report 6/11/2004

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Jackson stars in Suns' workout


By Chad Ford
ESPN Insider



CHICAGO -- While the NBA pre-draft camp continued to slog along at the Moody Bible College, Insider got exclusive access to what was shaping up to be the most interesting workout matchup of the week.


Wisconsin point guard Devin Harris, UConn point guard Ben Gordon, Oregon swingman Luke Jackson and junior college star Donta Smith were scheduled to work out against each other early Thursday morning at Hoops Gym. The workout, staged by the Suns, was significant for a few reasons.

It was the first time Harris and Gordon, who have been ranked neck and neck all season, would meet on the same court. The Suns are seriously considering taking a point guard with the No. 7 pick, and Harris and Gordon are the two most likely candidates. It also was a chance to see Jackson, who has been rocketing up most draft boards, work out against one of the best athletes in the draft in Smith.

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[font=verdana, arial, geneva]The Phoenix Suns are eyeing a point guard at No. 7, and Harris is on their list.[/font]

Unfortunately, as these things often go, by the time we arrived at Hoops Gym the Suns had learned Gordon wasn't going to make it. He had problems with his flight out of New York, and Phoenix had to scramble to find someone to work out with Harris. At the last minute, they brought in Roko Leni Ukic.



While everyone was disappointed the marquee match-up didn't go down, the workout still was pretty spirited. Ukic, with his long arms and quick feet, gave Harris plenty of problems.

While there's no question Harris is quicker and much more offensively talented than Ukic, he struggled at times to take Ukic off the dribble and get to the basket. Though Ukic is just 6-foot-3, his length bothered Harris for much of the workout. Harris also struggled a bit shooting the ball in the drills. He still was shooting well, but he has shot it much better in the other workouts this week.

Defensively, Harris did a nice job on Ukic as well. His quickness and speed bothered Ukic to a certain degree, and several times Harris did a nice job of stripping Ukic of the ball.

The real stars of the workout, though, were Jackson and Smith. While Jackson didn't shoot the ball as well as I've seen him in the past, he showed a couple of things that validate why he's rising on most draft boards.

Jackson's athleticism is better than advertised. During a special shuttle drill the Suns run, Jackson's time was the quickest the Suns have measured this year. That's right -- faster than quick guards like Harris and Jameer Nelson. There's no question the scouting report that he has slow feet is false. In fact, Jackson's feet look very quick for a player his size (6-7).

His toughness and competitiveness were also on display against the stronger Smith. At one point he leveled Smith with a tough screen. Whenever he touched the ball on offense, he was in attack mode and was able to get past Smith to the basket.

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[font=verdana, arial, geneva]Jackson's stock is rising with every workout. He could be the first senior drafted.[/font]

Smith also had his moments, though. He shot the ball really well, was spectacular flying through the air and finishing dunks in a drill where the point guards threw him alley oops, and he had several blocks on Jackson during the one-on-one portion of the drill.



Seeing him in this environment was much more enlightening than anything I saw in his individual workout on Tuesday.

I'm not sure where the workout leaves the Suns. They've liked Harris for some time, but he didn't do enough in the workout to make him a slam dunk for the No. 7 pick. This is the second straight workout where Harris was less than spectacular (he also struggled against Northwestern's Tim Young in a workout for Golden State on Wednesday). Don't be surprised if the Suns try to schedule a rematch with Gordon in Phoenix over the next few weeks.

If Phoenix keeps the pick -- and that still is a big if -- I still think Harris could be their man. There are intangibles that just can't be measured in a workout, and Harris has them. He'd be a great fit in Phoenix and one of the few players in this draft who could step in right away and help a team.

The workout also could end up helping Jackson. Several members of the Suns' contingent walked away raving about the Oregon star. Drafting Jackson at No. 7 seems awfully high, not to mention a bit repetitive with Joe Johnson and Casey Jacobsen already on the roster. Still, it's tough not to like what Jackson is going to bring to the table. His shooting, athleticism, competitiveness and his wealth of experience could make him the first senior drafted this year. He also may end up joining Emeka Okafor and Gordon as a favorite for Rookie of the Year if he lands on a team that will give him minutes.

Livingston still a question mark

Shortly after the Suns finished working out Harris and Jackson, they joined the Wizards, Hawks, Sixers and Cavaliers for a private workout for Shaun Livingston. All five GMs and four head coaches (the Hawks still don't have one) attended the workout, to which Insider obtained exclusive access. Trainer Tim Grover took Livingston through an hour of shooting and dribbling drills. Unfortunately, though, Livingston worked out alone.



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[font=verdana, arial, geneva]Livingston has added muscle, but teams still haven't seen him against top competition.[/font]

He shot the ball fairly well -- he has a very nice release point and can do some nice stuff off the glass, a lost art these days -- and did a number of impressive things with the ball in some of the dribbling drills -- he has the longest fingers I've ever seen -- but the bottom line was that no one got to see what they really wanted to see: His decision making and feel for the 5-on-5 game.



It's tough to get much information out of workouts like these. The most important tidbit was a confirmation that Livingston has put on 20 pounds since the McDonald's all-star game two months ago.

The reaction from teams and scouts was mixed. Everyone was disappointed they couldn't see Livingston go head-to-head against another top guard in the draft. With that said, they also were impressed with the skills they did see and were most impressed with his body.

"That 20 extra pounds changes everything for me," one executive told Insider. "If his body is improving that quick, it means he'll have a real shot of playing right away. That will make a big difference for a lot of the teams here."

Livingston really staged the workout in an effort to get enough feedback to make his final decision on whether to stay in the draft. So far the feedback has been pretty positive. According to sources, it's very likely he'll stay in, and he could make that official as early as Saturday at the NBA media day. Livingston is one of the toughest players to project in the draft right now. Based on sheer talent and potential, I think he's the best prospect in the draft. However, given team needs and his relative lack of exposure, his draft range is anywhere from No. 4 to the Bobcats to No. 10 to the Cavs, if no one makes a trade.


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They'll draft best player available as they always do - which is what they should do. If that player happens to be a PG with allstar potential well then you have to take him. It's kind of like when you already have KJ and Kidd then Nash falls to you. You don't have a choice. You take BPA and trade him later when he develops.

However, we don't have KJ, Kidd, Marbury, Cassell or Nash right now. So if the Suns have an opportunity to add a young version of one of those players I don't have a problem with that. It would be nice to have a player capable of getting Amare and Marion some alley-oop passes once in awhile. Kidd and Penny were good at it. Marbury was not. A pure passer would be nice. Are there any of those in the draft? Probably not.

But I think I'll trust the Suns judgement on point guards. Oh wait, Nash was the only one they actually drafted? Hmmmmm. I'll still trust their judgement. Their draft record speaks for it self.
 

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My concern is that two of our top prospects are PGs, Barbosa and Vujanic. If we draft a PG, that means that Vujanioc will probably be staying away.
 

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Chris_Sanders said:
My concern is that two of our top prospects are PGs, Barbosa and Vujanic. If we draft a PG, that means that Vujanioc will probably be staying away.

I am inclined to agree.

BTW, I've watched Jackson play and I was pretty sure he is a better athlete than he was given credit for being. He is a reach at the #7, but I would prefer him over Harris because I suspect he is the best shooter in the draft.
 
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If they draft a PG, it is possible that Vujanic will not play with us, that he may become trade bait. He will be 24 in November, and if he stays away due to us drafting a PG, I think the bus will have left for him, as we will probably focus on the new PG with the investment of a 1st rounder we have in him.

With Barbosa as well, there just doesn't seem that a spot will be there for a guy who is so intent on coming over when he has playing time awaiting.

Milos would be a prime candidate in the wheeling and dealing we may do on draft day. If he is traded to a team with a need for a PG, he will probably come over as soon as he can. That would be an incentive for a team to trade for him.

If we don't pick a PG, then Vujanic would definitely be in the mix with the Suns.
 

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Dylan said:
If they draft a PG, it is possible that Vujanic will not play with us, that he may become trade bait. He will be 24 in November, and if he stays away due to us drafting a PG, I think the bus will have left for him, as we will probably focus on the new PG with the investment of a 1st rounder we have in him.

With Barbosa as well, there just doesn't seem that a spot will be there for a guy who is so intent on coming over when he has playing time awaiting.

Milos would be a prime candidate in the wheeling and dealing we may do on draft day. If he is traded to a team with a need for a PG, he will probably come over as soon as he can. That would be an incentive for a team to trade for him.

If we don't pick a PG, then Vujanic would definitely be in the mix with the Suns.

I'm not totally sure it is "either - or", but taking a young PG in the draft would not help in bringing Vujanic over.

So why are they working out PG's? Why not? Obviously if someone made them an offer they couldn't refuse for Vujanic, they would need to know who else is available. But I would not read too much into it.
 

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George O'Brien said:
BTW, I've watched Jackson play and I was pretty sure he is a better athlete than he was given credit for being. He is a reach at the #7, but I would prefer him over Harris because I suspect he is the best shooter in the draft.

Jackson seems to be a great shooter partially because his release is very quick but is it high enough too?
 

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I agree it is not an either/or, and working out PG's is a good idea for the reason you say. We worked out Smith, a SF, and we have Marion. Always good to have all scenarios covered.

But, If I was Vujanic, sitting over there watching the draft, and we picked a PG, I'd be hoping that we traded the rights to someone else. Players usually get bothered when their position is drafted.

And he does not seem like the kind eager to take on all comers.

I think he is a possible inducement for Charlotte, they would probably be able to use him right away, and he is cheap.

I'm not sure I want to give up on him yet though. But to get cap room, he is a possibility. If they took White to get him, and we got 6 mill in cap room, and if we got Kobe... it is a deal!
 

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Very interesting idea, Dylan... I don't think anyone has come up with that possibility before. Who knows how much the Bobcats are looking to Europe but if they are looking some, that should appeal to them. I've been lukewarm on Vujanic because of his reportedly weak D, and this seems to be a nice out for us.
 
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