Super Bowl Weekend Thoughts

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It's a snow day here in Foxboro, MA. So I am fired up for some football talk. Here are some thoughts:

* I think that we are starting to see a bit of a recent Super Bowl trend where younger teams that have found a sudden groove have just the amount of youthful exuberance and confidence to win the whole danged thing. We saw this with the Seahawks, who came within a whisker of winning two in a row. And now we are seeing this with the Panthers. The question is---is it harder for older, more veteran teams to go that extra mile?

For one thing, older, more veteran teams can find themselves feeling all the more desperate----for they know that there are only a limited number of grains of sand in the hourglass. Secondly, older, more veteran teams usually have too much money tied into the veterans at the top of their salary caps in order to have the kind of quality roster depth---which makes it more difficult for them to compensate for key personnel losses due to injury. There is no question that the physical toll of a 16 game season and added playoff games for veteran players is daunting.

Younger teams have the advantage of having a number of key players who have yet to secure big-money contracts. Younger teams don't know any better----they are less apt to feel the desperation that older teams wrestle with. In short, they can play more relaxed and pressure free.

One might say---well, what about the Patriots? What Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick have done so smartly and well is they have managed to keep the roster as young as possible by moving on from aging veterans. And they build the team around the Dorian Grey of the NFL, Tom Brady. Even so, the Patriots, despite making it to the AFC Championship in 10 of the last 15 years (a feat will likely never be matched again), have only won one Super Bowl in the past 10 years!

* So---what about the Cardinals? This year the Cardinals were on a mission and what an exhilarating ride it was. Clearly, their goal was to secure home field advantage throughout the playoffs----and quite frankly, how many times does a 13-2 team find itself a game out of the top seed in Week 17? This season was like the perfect storm for the Panthers---their division isn't as nearly as strong as the Cardinals'---this year they had to play versus the AFC South, the weakest decision in the NFL, while the Cardinals had to play the AFC Central, which produced two playoffs teams. The Panthers took full advantage and they answered the bell, week after week. Will they be able to answer the bell one more time?

* Steve Keim and Bruce Arians have pretty much said in unison that their focus this off-season is to upgrade the pass rush, to shore up the offensive line and to "get younger at certain positions." The fact that they are going to make a conscious effort to get younger at certain positions---is an indication that they completely understand how an infusion of youth can rejuvenate a team. Wasn't it curious that a cadre of the best players in the NFC Championship game for the Cardinals were David Johnson, J.J. Nelson, Rodney Gunter and Tony Jefferson? Curious too that the player who made all the difference in last year's Super Bowl was an undrafted rookie CB named Malcolm Butler.

* BA said something that I found very curious---he said that he didn't think that the answers to upgrading their pass rush would be found in free agency. Hmmm. If that is indeed the case---might we expect a trade? Perhaps even a trade up in the first round? It should be very interesting to see what moves the Cardinals make. I think there are some good pass rushers in free agency---but maybe Keim and Arians have been a little disgruntled by such recent FA misses like Ted Ginn and Sean Weatherspoon. At this point Keim and Arians may be convinced that home grown talent is the way to go, with a sprinkling of short term veteran prove it contracts.

* What also should be fascinating about this off-season is just how intent Arians is at coaching up the likes of Jonathan Cooper, D.J. Humphries, Troy Niklas, Andre Ellington, Ed Stinson, Xavier Williams, Josh Mauro, Kareem Martin, Shaq Riddick, Alani Fua and Justin Bethel. Man---if those players could step up this year---think of how good this Cardinals' team could be and how much money they can save versus the cap by not having to sign more free agents than they have to.

* Assuming that the Cardinals sign their restricted FAs---here is a current projection of the 2016 Roster with starters in CAPS:

QB PALMER (Barkley, TBD)
RB JOHNSON (Ellington, Williams, Taylor)
TE FELLS (Niklas, Momah, Christian)
LT VELDHEER (Crisp)
LG IUPATI (Watford)
C SHIPLEY (TBD)
RG COOPER (Fullington)
RT HUMPHRIES (Watford)
WR FLOYD (John Brown, Nelson)
WR FITZGERALD (Jaron Brown, Shipley)

LDE GUNTER (Rucker, Stinson)
NT PETERS (Williams)
RDE CAMPBELL (Mauro, Redding)
LOLB GOLDEN (Martin, Wagenmann)
LILB MINTER (Gabe Martin)
RILB BUCANNON (Fua)
ROLB OKAFOR (Riddick, TBD)
LCB PETERSON (Brooks)
SS JEFFERSON (Prater)
FS MATHIEU (Swearinger)
RCB BETHEL (Asa Jackson)

P BUTLER
K CATANZARO
LS TBD

* Free Agent & Draft Priorities: OLB/DE, CB, C, QB DE, S, LS.

* Your thoughts? Any questions?
 
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I disagree with classifying them as young players due to the relative age of the league, but I will say that teams of young veterans seem to be in vogue because of most of the reasons you stated specifically the price tag aspect. The combination of talented players in their prime, and the ability to build a deep/talented roster is what separates the Panthers, Patriots, Seahawks, and 49ers over the past 4 years. That and quality QB play.
 

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Kiem has had to deal with working around Daryl Washington. Not mention, going young is not always the answer. What good did DJ Humphries and Jonathan Copper do for the team this year.

Would the Cardinals have even been close to winning as many games as they did if Chris Johnson didn't allow for some time for David Johnson to develop, and save the Cardinals butts when Ellington got hurt again.

Who was a better pass rusher than Freeney ?

As for a trade? We would need trade bait to get a pass rusher, and if you are going to trade for a pass rush, he better be damn good, thus it will cost AT least a 1st round pick, and probably another the year after. Plus who are you going to trade for ?

All good thoughts, but again, with Mathieu and Daryl Washington in the line up, the Cardinals would have put up a better fight, IMO. Cam Newton is special but Washington's speed and instincts were also special. Talking about a player that would be able to run down and tackle Cam Newton, AND cover Olson.

All good thoughts, tho.
 

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LILB MINTER (Gabe Martin)
RILB BUCANNON (Fua)

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* Free Agent & Draft Priorities: OLB/DE, CB, C, QB, DE, S, LS.

Equals missing ILB priority.
 

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Kiem has had to deal with working around Daryl Washington. Not mention, going young is not always the answer. What good did DJ Humphries and Jonathan Copper do for the team this year.

Would the Cardinals have even been close to winning as many games as they did if Chris Johnson didn't allow for some time for David Johnson to develop, and save the Cardinals butts when Ellington got hurt again.

Who was a better pass rusher than Freeney ?

As for a trade? We would need trade bait to get a pass rusher, and if you are going to trade for a pass rush, he better be damn good, thus it will cost AT least a 1st round pick, and probably another the year after. Plus who are you going to trade for ?

All good thoughts, but again, with Mathieu and Daryl Washington in the line up, the Cardinals would have put up a better fight, IMO. Cam Newton is special but Washington's speed and instincts were also special. Talking about a player that would be able to run down and tackle Cam Newton, AND cover Olson.

All good thoughts, tho.

Yeah, I hate beating a dead horse, but Washington destroying his career has been a killer for us in big games. Against the Cam/Russells of the world, he's really one of the only players in the world who can make a difference.

The heart of our defense hasn't been the same without Washington/Dansby.
 

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I think Honeybadger is the core of the youthful exuberance we were missing but wouldn't have been enough. I still don't buy all the dismissals of Palmer's finger. Bidwill was touting that same "not a problem" line at the Superbowl. Not sure if it is my denial but from the moment her hurt that finger he was different and his authority and command was missing.

That said, I think the starts lined up for the Panthers and our smoke and mirror D was finally exposed. I would add a bada$$ ILB who can lead to your priority list. That, a pass rusher or two and a mauler at center might make the difference.

Can't do it all through FA.

Questions:
1. Mitch who would you pick up in FA to make a difference?

2. How do you See Oakafor re-assimilating and contributing?
 
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I think Honeybadger is the core of the youthful exuberance we were missing but wouldn't have been enough. I still don't buy all the dismissals of Palmer's finger. Bidwill was touting that same "not a problem" line at the Superbowl. Not sure if it is my denial but from the moment her hurt that finger he was different and his authority and command was missing.

That said, I think the starts lined up for the Panthers and our smoke and mirror D was finally exposed. I would add a bada$$ ILB who can lead to your priority list. That, a pass rusher or two and a mauler at center might make the difference.

Can't do it all through FA.

Questions:
1. Mitch who would you pick up in FA to make a difference?

Here's a few moves I would like, Reddog:

OLB/DE Nick Perry (GB)
CB Trumaine Johnson (LAR)
G/T Michael Harris (MIN)



2. How do you See Oakafor re-assimilating and contributing?

Okafor heads into his contract year. He knows he blew it this past season. He should be highly motivated. Why not see what he's got? Surely he will have greater competition this year. He's going to have to shine.
 
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Mitch what do you think about any and all alternatives at center?

UFA Steven Wisniewski (JAX) may make sense, as he played with Palmer and Veldheer and he is only 26. His price tag was too high last year, maybe he will be more reasonable this year.

In the draft there are 3 centers who seem NFL ready:

Nick Martin, Notre Dame
Ryan Kelly, Alabama
Jack Allen, Michigan St.

If one of these three is on the board in the 3rd round (and no UFA has been signed), I could see Steve Keim make a move here. Even though these are good centers, i think Round 2 is a reach for them.
 

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UFA Steven Wisniewski (JAX) may make sense, as he played with Palmer and Veldheer and he is only 26. His price tag was too high last year, maybe he will be more reasonable this year.

In the draft there are 3 centers who seem NFL ready:

Nick Martin, Notre Dame
Ryan Kelly, Alabama
Jack Allen, Michigan St.

If one of these three is on the board in the 3rd round (and no UFA has been signed), I could see Steve Keim make a move here. Even though these are good centers, i think Round 2 is a reach for them.

Would love to know what Palmer and Veldheer think of Wisniewski. If it was just about too steep of a price tag thats one thing but if neither of these guys advocated for him it would be telling. BTW nice article on your teaching. I had a 5th grade teacher named Mr. Collura near Princeton NJ who did bubble gum questions and I still remember his class and what I learned 40 years later. The candy was just a tool used by a great teacher. Sounds like the case holds true for you as well.
 
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Would love to know what Palmer and Veldheer think of Wisniewski. If it was just about too steep of a price tag thats one thing but if neither of these guys advocated for him it would be telling. BTW nice article on your teaching. I had a 5th grade teacher named Mr. Collura near Princeton NJ who did bubble gum questions and I still remember his class and what I learned 40 years later. The candy was just a tool used by a great teacher. Sounds like the case holds true for you as well.

Thanks, Reddog! I try to do everything I can to reward the students---and to keep their heads in the game. I swear some kids would run through a cinderblock wall for one of those Jolly Ranchers. Nothing like curing late in a class cotton mouth!
 

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I think you're onto something Mitch - though, I think most people would see it the same with regard to the notion of youth = success...
I think this is especially true at the QB position, but with a twist. I think guys like Wilson, Rodgers & Newton are the new "prototypical" NFL Qb's. Young, extremely athletic, strong and accurate arms - particularly downfield, high football IQ... As Brady and Manning (both), as well as Palmer and Brees, all start to fade away and are removed from the scene, I'm pretty certain the new NFL QB will look more like the us I mentioned, versus the guys who are about to fade away...
 

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I think you're onto something Mitch - though, I think most people would see it the same with regard to the notion of youth = success...
I think this is especially true at the QB position, but with a twist. I think guys like Wilson, Rodgers & Newton are the new "prototypical" NFL Qb's. Young, extremely athletic, strong and accurate arms - particularly downfield, high football IQ... As Brady and Manning (both), as well as Palmer and Brees, all start to fade away and are removed from the scene, I'm pretty certain the new NFL QB will look more like the us I mentioned, versus the guys who are about to fade away...
Lets see Sunday who is going to win
The new prototypical Qb or the faded one
In the last 10 years 8 of the qbs who won the superbowl were old style qbs
 

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Lets see Sunday who is going to win
The new prototypical Qb or the faded one
In the last 10 years 8 of the qbs who won the superbowl were old style qbs

I hear you and aI think there is merit but I also think Cam is a freak of nature so while the new model might not make a more traditional QB obsolete, Cam is a different story. Hopefully there wont be too many more of him unless they some how slip on to the Cards roster.
 

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Lets see Sunday who is going to win
The new prototypical Qb or the faded one
In the last 10 years 8 of the qbs who won the superbowl were old style qbs

Last year the Pats were amazingly lucky to win that game... It took Pete Carroll choking on an amazingly stupid playcall to keep Wilson from winning back to back Super Bowls...
Eli won over Brady in 2012 and Flacco won over Kap in 2013. But guys like Wilson and Newton weren't ready to compete yet...
Rodgers won in 2011 and if/when he gets a quality and healthy team around him again, he will win another, if not multiple rings...
Oh, and as for Sunday - I think the chances are higher that Manning doesn't even finish the game, then him winning...
 

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Mitch, it would seem that your assessment of older players sort of running out of gas at the end of the season may in fact hold water. I thought that our older players, (all leaders by the way), sort of emotionally ran out of fuel, and thus the inability to compete with Seattle and Carolina. When the youngsters looked to our vets for leadership, they seemed to find an empty well in my opinion. When Green Bay matched them play for play late in that game, they seemed to empty both teams of reserve. I think our vets gave so much to win that game, that they dried up their supply of emotion. I believe the same would have happened to Green Bay had they been able to continue. I don't feel bad, however, because I feel that our guys, (and Green Bay's), gave their all, and left nothing on the field or in the tank. They just couldn't match the emotional level of a Seattle or Carolina at the end of the season.
 
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