The 3-4 rush OLB I REALLY want...that you may never have heard of

[sundevil04]

Daniel Te'o-Nesheim from u-dub, 6'4'' 263 lbs check out his combine/pro-day numbers for the drills that are related to fast twitch fibers and ability to turn the corner for pass rushing such as cone drill, broad jump.benck and vert. Most importantly he was extremely productive on a very poor UW defense. Should be there in the 4th rd.

If we can land him in the 4th or Koa Misi in the 3rd I'll be very happy

 

[Stout]

How did he look and play in games?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

The guy I really like is Lirpa Sloof from Valdosta State. Wasn't invited to the combine, but read somewhere that he has great measurables. Could be this year's Greg Toler.

 

[Early]

Sorry, i haven't seen enough of him to post my opinion.

But i can tell you one name: Jason Worilds. He will be the best one in this draft IMO and is one of the top players as well regardless of position. I don't think that anyone even comes close to him at this position, he can be a great OLB/DE or just pure DE. He is great against the run as well. Everything he does on tapes, impresses me. And he is very underrated at the moment. You can't be great without a bullrush, tackles and offensive coordinators will find a way to shut you down with pure speedrush. Every great passrusher needs to have a power countermove of some kind, or a spin move, something in addition to the outside move. This guy has athleticism to speedrush, but also the ability to go inside with the power step. That makes him so good against the run as well. There are some youtube highlights here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBzLNXDuTGA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-63jx7QgZE8

It's not a position I have looked alot at this year, I have seen many WR's, but Jason Worilds caught my eye and I have not regreted for watching alot of tape on him.

On ILB, Jamar Chaney is the special talent to look for. I think he is at least as impressive on this position, and he can do everything. He can take on blockers, he can tackle without giving extra yards, he can cover. He is sideline to sideline. He will be one of the better LB's in NFL one day. He is one of those that I believe will have amazing rookie years.

Youtube stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6FErsTC47s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LMZmeY-kgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSWuUoOzrxs


I would be happy with the following draft:

1.
2. Jamar Chaney (WILB)
3. Damien Williams (Flanker)
3. Jason Worilds (OLB/DE, passing down DE)
5. Blair White/Shipley/Andre Roberts/Eric Decker (in that order)(Slot/Flanker)
6. Mike Kafka (QB)
7. Micah Johnson (SILB) / Brandon Spikes (WILB)

UDFA:

Wolffe(WR Flanker/Split End),

I have left out the 1st pick because it's so difficult. The guys i think will be awsome are already gone (Clausen, Trent Williams, Rusell Okung, Suh, Bradford) while the guys that will be available have huge questionmarks (Terrence Cody, Dan Williams)

Maybe the best deal would be to pick Perrish Cox or Patrick Robinson out of FSU. I would never pick a CB that does not have the ability ti turn arround. That is THE hardest skill to posess and that is the one that directs wheter you will be a great CB or just stick to mediocrity. It is not a skill required in college to look great since QB's and WR's and their chemistry are not nearly as good as in the pro game. That ability is tested week in and week out in NFL and it is that ability that have prevented McFadden and all our other CB's in playing good football. DRC is the only one with that ability.

In this class i think PAtrick Robinson has that ability to some extent. I think SydQuan Thompson is amazing in that regard, but lacks the speed of Kyle Wilson and PAtrick Robinson to stick with his man all over the field unfortunately. I think that Perrish Cox has that ability as well. That's about it. I don't see anyone else having that and those ballskills as well.

I would be really afraid of losing a talent like Chaney, so a draft like this would be ideal. :

1. Jamar Chaney (WILB)
2. Perrish Cox (CB) / Patrick Robinson (CB)
3. Damian Williams (Flanker)
3. Jason Worilds (DE/OLB)
5. Blair White/ Shipley / Roberts / Decker (Slot/Flanker)
6. Mike Kafka (QB) /SydQuan Thompson (CB)
7. Micah Johnson (SILB) / Brandon Spikes (WILB)

UDFA: Wolffe (Split End/Slot)

In the first i wouldn't mind trading up to get a good player. Especially a QB, since that position is worth two or three position relatively, and we have huge questions at that position going into the season. The less questions you have, the better team you are.

In addition, players like Corey Wooton and Tyson Alualu also look like the real deal. They are worth a 1st or 2nd round pick as well, i wouldn't mind any of those two either.

I will take a look on the guys you have mentioned.

 

[football karma]

Early -- I am with you on Worilds

 

[EndZone]

Early -- I am with you on Worilds

Me too

 

[binkar]

Chaney in the first? No thanks.

 

[bg7brd]

Chaney in the first? No thanks.

I would take him in the 2nd.

 

[Hypothesis]

Absolutely love Jamar Chaney at ILB. Incredible range and is more physical that given credit for. His physical play slipped last season, but I think that is due more to him just coming off his leg injury. Watching game film of him prior to his injury, he was far more physical. Great instincts and football IQ.

As for Worilds...I really like this kid. Problem is, we might have to select him in the second or move up in the third to get him. We might find better value at a position of higher need. I'd rather grab a lesser known prospect later. Arthur Moats after watching game film on him, I think he has just as much potential to be an outstanding rush OLB as Worilds, yet he could be had in the 4th. Moats is a very bright kid with amazing ability to rush the passer. He has great character and is a film room guru.

 

[Gandhi]

As for Worilds...I really like this kid. Problem is, we might have to select him in the second or move up in the third to get him. We might find better value at a position of higher need. I'd rather grab a lesser known prospect later. Arthur Moats after watching game film on him, I think he has just as much potential to be an outstanding rush OLB as Worilds, yet he could be had in the 4th. Moats is a very bright kid with amazing ability to rush the passer. He has great character and is a film room guru.

I think you're right about Worilds. I also think he might be worth it.

Anyway, another late round prospect that I'm kind of high on is Chris McCoy out of Middle Tennessee. He would be a major project, but I think he could be pretty good in a couple of years. At least as a rotational guy.

 

[Mitch]

Sorry, i haven't seen enough of him to post my opinion.

But i can tell you one name: Jason Worilds. He will be the best one in this draft IMO and is one of the top players as well regardless of position. I don't think that anyone even comes close to him at this position, he can be a great OLB/DE or just pure DE. He is great against the run as well. Everything he does on tapes, impresses me. And he is very underrated at the moment. You can't be great without a bullrush, tackles and offensive coordinators will find a way to shut you down with pure speedrush. Every great passrusher needs to have a power countermove of some kind, or a spin move, something in addition to the outside move. This guy has athleticism to speedrush, but also the ability to go inside with the power step. That makes him so good against the run as well. There are some youtube highlights here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBzLNXDuTGA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-63jx7QgZE8

It's not a position I have looked alot at this year, I have seen many WR's, but Jason Worilds caught my eye and I have not regreted for watching alot of tape on him.

On ILB, Jamar Chaney is the special talent to look for. I think he is at least as impressive on this position, and he can do everything. He can take on blockers, he can tackle without giving extra yards, he can cover. He is sideline to sideline. He will be one of the better LB's in NFL one day. He is one of those that I believe will have amazing rookie years.

Youtube stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6FErsTC47s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LMZmeY-kgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSWuUoOzrxs


I would be happy with the following draft:

1.
2. Jamar Chaney (WILB)
3. Damien Williams (Flanker)
3. Jason Worilds (OLB/DE, passing down DE)
5. Blair White/Shipley/Andre Roberts/Eric Decker (in that order)(Slot/Flanker)
6. Mike Kafka (QB)
7. Micah Johnson (SILB) / Brandon Spikes (WILB)

UDFA:

Wolffe(WR Flanker/Split End),

I have left out the 1st pick because it's so difficult. The guys i think will be awsome are already gone (Clausen, Trent Williams, Rusell Okung, Suh, Bradford) while the guys that will be available have huge questionmarks (Terrence Cody, Dan Williams)

Maybe the best deal would be to pick Perrish Cox or Patrick Robinson out of FSU. I would never pick a CB that does not have the ability ti turn arround. That is THE hardest skill to posess and that is the one that directs wheter you will be a great CB or just stick to mediocrity. It is not a skill required in college to look great since QB's and WR's and their chemistry are not nearly as good as in the pro game. That ability is tested week in and week out in NFL and it is that ability that have prevented McFadden and all our other CB's in playing good football. DRC is the only one with that ability.

In this class i think PAtrick Robinson has that ability to some extent. I think SydQuan Thompson is amazing in that regard, but lacks the speed of Kyle Wilson and PAtrick Robinson to stick with his man all over the field unfortunately. I think that Perrish Cox has that ability as well. That's about it. I don't see anyone else having that and those ballskills as well.

I would be really afraid of losing a talent like Chaney, so a draft like this would be ideal. :

1. Jamar Chaney (WILB)
2. Perrish Cox (CB) / Patrick Robinson (CB)
3. Damian Williams (Flanker)
3. Jason Worilds (DE/OLB)
5. Blair White/ Shipley / Roberts / Decker (Slot/Flanker)
6. Mike Kafka (QB) /SydQuan Thompson (CB)
7. Micah Johnson (SILB) / Brandon Spikes (WILB)

UDFA: Wolffe (Split End/Slot)

In the first i wouldn't mind trading up to get a good player. Especially a QB, since that position is worth two or three position relatively, and we have huge questions at that position going into the season. The less questions you have, the better team you are.

In addition, players like Corey Wooton and Tyson Alualu also look like the real deal. They are worth a 1st or 2nd round pick as well, i wouldn't mind any of those two either.

I will take a look on the guys you have mentioned.

Great post, Early!

I too am becoming more and more impressed with Worilds and Chaney (especially after their Pro Days). I think Worilds is a top 50 pick, whereas Chaney is top 100. This is why the trade down from #26 with the Browns to get the #38, #85 and #134 picks make a Worilds of sense to me (if, of course the Browns want to move up to take Colt McCoy and I think there's a great chance they would).

I don't see WR Damian Williams sliding into the 80s, thus the #58 pick makes sense to me for him, and, IMO, he's the most polished and NFL ready WR in this draft.

Thus here's what I believe the Cardinals could do, with second choices in parentheses:

#38: Jason Worilds, OLB/DE, Virginia Tech (Ricky Sapp, OLB/DE, Clemson)

#58: Damian Williams, WR, USC (Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois)

#85: Jamar Chaney, ILB, Miss. St. (Donald Butler, ILB, Washington)

#88: Dominique Franks, CB, Nebraska (Chris Cook, CB, Virginia)

#89: Cam Thomas, NT, North Carolina (Linval Joseph, NT, East Carolina)

#123: Mike Kafka, QB, Northwestern (Levi Brown, QB, Troy)

#134: Colin Peek, TE, Alabama (Andrew Quarless, TE, Penn. St.)

#195: Blair White, WR, Michigan St. (Chris McGaha, WR, Arizona St.)

#233: Cody Grimm, SS, Virginia Tech (Justin Woodall, S, Alabama)

 

[Garthshort]

Disagree with Early, although I thought he did a great job, in that his draft did not bring in a NT. Disagree with Mitch because his draft, even with the extra choices, only split 4-4 through six rounds. Our need is defense. On offense, I can see a WR and a QB, but we have too many defensive needs to pick more than two offensive players. JMO.

 

[Mitch]

Disagree with Early, although I thought he did a great job, in that his draft did not bring in a NT. Disagree with Mitch because his draft, even with the extra choices, only split 4-4 through six rounds. Our need is defense. On offense, I can see a WR and a QB, but we have too many defensive needs to pick more than two offensive players. JMO.

I think you are right, Garth, defense is the priority, which is why I used 4 of the first 5 picks on defense. But, I'd like to hear your plan.

 

[Early]

Hey Mitch, that's some great thoughts!

Trading down to two extra picks would be the perfect thing to do. Especially this year, with a draft as deep as this. And especially when we are so good drafting. Teams that draft well, should also get some extra picks. Unless Clausen somehow slips, Trent Williams or Okung. And I don't think there is any chance in world that happens. I defenitely also like Brown out of USC, his technique and feet are amazing, but he is not build to take on the heavy bullrush from the strong ends in NFL. Okung and Williams are strong enough to deal with that, and especially Williams impresses me with that strong initial punch. He leads the DE, not the other way arround. Also, he has that amazing ability to recover when he is not in leverage advantage. Both (Williams and Okung) are one of the best tackle prospects I have seen.

I love Cam Thomas and i think he is a better fit than Cody and Dan Williams. If we go NT, i hope he is the one. The important thing is that NT is nothing about size, contrary what people tend to think. When you play two gap, you need to work laterally along the line. An example is zone strech where the NT needs to pursuit third of the width of the field and still maintain his gap responsibilities. Being inmovable by offensive lineman is only a small part of the equation. We have a former 43 DE at NT. That tells everything. Certainly Robinson is very easy to move, Watson/Branch are hard to move. Yet the IQ, and lateral ability, and reading the plays and discipline has alot more to say at this position, which explains why Robinson won the spot. This is why a player like Alualu could work well here, he is nothing short than phenomenal in all the aspects of two gap technique. I love Cam Thomas ability to collapse the pocket from the inside with his bullrush. I think he is way better at that than any other NT prospect this year. I don't think Cam is that much of a lateral threath to the offense. But he has brutal power to distrubt the pocket, That's a bonus offcourse.


Garthshort -

My strategy is just to get the players i think will fit in and do well. Good characters as well. It does not mean much to me wheter they are 1st or 2nd rounders. I may be wrong and probably am, but that's my strategy. If you draft a player, you really need to believe in that he will become great for you one day. You will need to pay him the money no matter what. It's not important which round we selected Dockett in. The improtant thing is that we got him and believed in him. In fact, selecting a player that you really believe in and select a little bit earlier than people rate the player, has two benefits that I am aware off 1) If he posts superstar numbers early there will go more time before he feels unsatisfaction with his contract 2) You ensure you get this player and not risk the fact that he may be gone before you pick arround where you expect that he will be picked. In this case, making sure you get Chaney, is very important. If that's the player you need and want and believe in; Don't wait and make the risk, pick him earlier. I believe in him, and because of that i don't mind selecting him much earlier than expected.


I like that draft Mitch, maye put in Dennis Pitta as well, he looks as a great pass catcher. I think there is chance we may go similar direction, we really want high character players and there are plenty of those in that example.

For those of you that have not seen much of Blair White, here is the link, I believe he is top 3 reciever and the most polished reciever along with Damian Williams:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhd7nvwEXWA&feature=fvst

A player that must not be forgotten (and that's the case unfortunately) is Auston English. I always thought he would be taken round 1 or 2, because he can do so many things, is so polished and smart. But, unfortunately injuries have destroyed his status completely. He probably won't even be drafted, which makes him an interesting UDFA signing or 7th round choice.

Auston English is very polished passrusher, with ability to speed and bull rush and is very clever player. He can cover impressingly well and i think he can match up with anyone in space among the 34 OLB prospects in this class. His problem is his health and his ability to tackle. I never liked his tackling technique, it's horrible at times. They used him relatively alot in dropping back and covering flat zones and he has done really well, which supports the fact that he could move to 34 OLB.

Here below is some video stuff on him, I would be happy to get him in. If Lott can keep the injuries away he has a shot in becoming something special. What's important is that English has the ability to get to the QB with his hands, and not feet alone, that is a crucial deal in NFL. You don't get many free sacks, you need to use your hands to get them. He never stops, great motor, and knows how to use his hands in multiple of different ways. His stat are very very good as long as he has been healthy and indeed his tapes are impressive as well. He is ready to play now, he run a 4.76 fourty on his pro day. I don't care with the time, but it just tells that he may be ready to play again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6MwgnRjj7k

 

[football karma]

also -- I am not a fan of Chaney in the first two rounds --

for all his physical ability -- his production hasn't matched it

i understand he had an injury a couple years ago, and has switched positions -- but I just expected more impact than he produced

 

[Monty]

The guy I really like is Lirpa Sloof from Valdosta State. Wasn't invited to the combine, but read somewhere that he has great measurables. Could be this year's Greg Toler.

I know its the 2nd now but you almost had me thinking this is some Samoan linebacker

 

[Garthshort]

Mitch, I'd be very surprised if we don't go ILB, NT and CB with our first three picks (I consider 88 the same as 89). And in no particular order. If I had to guess, I'd go:
1. CB-McCourtey (If Wilson is gone)
2. ILB-Chaney, Lee or Washington
3. NT-Troup or Thomas
Last year, I was very surprised that Beanie fell to us. And if Dan Williams falls to #26, I'd take him at that spot.
With the other third and fourth, I'd go WR and OLB, and then a QB in the sixth and BPA in the seventh regardless of position.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I know its the 2nd now but you almost had me thinking this is some Samoan linebacker

I put it up yesterday, and started to seriously wonder if anyone would catch it...

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Mitch, I'd be very surprised if we don't go ILB, NT and CB with our first three picks (I consider 88 the same as 89). And in no particular order. If I had to guess, I'd go:
1. CB-McCourtey (If Wilson is gone)
2. ILB-Chaney, Lee or Washington
3. NT-Troup or Thomas
Last year, I was very surprised that Beanie fell to us. And if Dan Williams falls to #26, I'd take him at that spot.
With the other third and fourth, I'd go WR and OLB, and then a QB in the sixth and BPA in the seventh regardless of position.

From what I've read, "D" line and DE/OLB is by far the strongest part of this draft, which argues for either grabbing high quality early or good later...