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...so I thought I would contribute a little bit.

Whenever you go to the azdiamondbacks.com site, it shows a short video highlight. Well, it normaly shows a huge HR or a great win by the D-Backs. It seems that lately the clips are just good catches, or something lame. If our stellar play continues, they will be showing groundouts to Royce Clayton as our highlight.

I hate to pile on, but this team is just not very good. I find myself choosing to watch something else when they are on the tube - like World Series of Poker, or Professional Pool, or a "Everybody Loves Raymond" re-run.

I doubt anyone in the organization looks at this Board (fans don't even come here very often), but in case one of you is trolling around - Suggestion: Take the advice to heart to find a new Manager NOW! Start playing the young guys full time NOW! Hang banners in the BOB that read -

"UNDER CONSTRUCTION"
 

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It's sad, everyone I know says the same thing, they couldn't care less about the current group. Beyond Terrero and Papa Grande, there are few players I even like...
 

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TucsonDevil said:
...so I thought I would contribute a little bit.

Whenever you go to the azdiamondbacks.com site, it shows a short video highlight. Well, it normaly shows a huge HR or a great win by the D-Backs. It seems that lately the clips are just good catches, or something lame. If our stellar play continues, they will be showing groundouts to Royce Clayton as our highlight.

I hate to pile on, but this team is just not very good. I find myself choosing to watch something else when they are on the tube - like World Series of Poker, or Professional Pool, or a "Everybody Loves Raymond" re-run.

I doubt anyone in the organization looks at this Board (fans don't even come here very often), but in case one of you is trolling around - Suggestion: Take the advice to heart to find a new Manager NOW! Start playing the young guys full time NOW! Hang banners in the BOB that read -



"UNDER CONSTRUCTION"


I agree. Its just not fun to watch anymore. Its sad that the team couldnt pull anything together when the Padres were struggling.
 

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I said it before.. not only are they losing, but they are BORING when they do it.
 

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They have no attitude or character. They have no swagger or aggressiveness or identity. They have a talented roster that just has no fire to it.
 

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I'll take some share of the blame/responsibility for this forum being dead recently because I havent had the opportunity to post as much.....

Anyways....this forum was on the verge/poised for some excitement at the beginning of this month, but everything came to immediate halt since they begin losing in the most dreadful manner with the absolute disregard to the fundamentals and just having a lack of focus...

I am a major proponent of the terminating Melvin during the offseason and hire the manager who would inject a fiery attitude into this team (which I expressed in my last "Lou's Views").....

They've had a few opportunities to establish some emotion (especially when Gonzo noticed that the Rockies pitcher was intentionally throwing at Tracy) and they could have used that as some momentum builder.. a rallying cry, but whenever you have such a passive/stoic manager like Melvin..that obviously wont happen......

What would bring some much needed excitement between now and the offseason are for the Dbacks to finally conceed that theyre not a contending team now and promote up Drew, Quentin, Santos, and the likes of Matt Chico along with other pitching prospects to see what they can do..... However, that would be all moot since Melvin wouldnt play those players whatsoever (just like what he's been doing to Jackson) and I rather not have any of those players affected by Melvin's idiocy because he'll probably destroy some of those younger players confidence in the process.....

This forum will become very exciting again I'm certain, but I guess it will suffer for at least the time-being along with the doldrums that the entire Dbacks franchise are in now....
 

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If it was 2002 then I'd agree with those who say this team has talent. Unfortunately, it's 2005 and what we have is a bunch of slightly above average former superstars mixed in with some decent young players (most of whom have played out of position for long stretches this year) and mediocre veterans having career seasons. Some of the more optimistic members that post on this board seem to think that we'll be fine in the future but I'm not so sure which I'll now go into.

1. No direction as an organization - Are we a team that will rely on our farm system or are we a team that's going to buy it's success? That question still has not been answered. Tracy was a terrific farmhand showed some signs last year and was replaced by Troy Glaus and since then has been kicked around the field like he's Chone Figgins. Now instead of an above average hitting/mediocre defensive 3B we have an average hitting/below average fielding RF. Conor Jackson is thought of as one of the best hitting prospects in baseball and is a guy nearly every GM in baseball salivates over and is now looking at platoon duty in 2006 and 2007 with Tony Clark, who convienently seems to have found his stroke at ripe old age 33, due to Clark's contract extension in the middle of a fluke year. Another prized prospect, Carlos Quentin, is blocked due to reasons I go into specifically later.

2. No leadership - We have no sign of a competent coaching staff on the field or any GM on the horizon off the field. Tghe prospects for the GM job so far seem to be a promoted scout (albeit a good amatuer one, we have yet to see what he can do as a GM), a former ballplayer who is lucky enough to be buddies with the managing partner, and a college baseball coach. Forgive me if those names don't make me jump for joy.

3. Lack of pitching in farm - Did you see how much money mediocre pitchers got in free agency last year? That's why you need to have pitching on the farm so you can have it cheap for six years. As far as I can tell, we have no frontline capable starter anywhere close to being in the bigs so it looks like we're going to have to keep hemorrhaging cash to get pitching. Which as we saw last year during the bidding war we had against ourselves for the services of Russ Ortiz ain't exactly a guaranteed thing.

4. Mediocrity of current roster - When the architect of this team put the roster together last winter, they essentially torpedoed any chance of the D-Backs being a serious contender for at least three years. The nucleus of this team is Glaus, Gonzo, Green, Ortiz, and Vazquez. They are respectively the front of the rotation and the heart of the order not to mention they make up the overwhelming majority of the payroll. Unfortunately, none of them are even remotely considered superstar players yet are locked into superstar money for the next few seasons and they're getting up there in age. And since they're making way more money than they're worth, the G-Force and the top of our rotation are basically untradeable unless we pay their contracts to pitch elsewhere. That means we're stuck with this same 56-63 squad for at least the next couple seasons unless we crap the bed and trade off prospects. Guys like Conor Jackson, Carlos Quentin, and Chad Tracy are blocked or forced to play out of position so we can keep together a nucleus that has led us to almost 10 games under .500 in an awful division. That makes no sense. But what sucks for the DBacks is Barry Bonds, Milton Bradley, JD Drew, Khalil Greene, Adam Eaton, Moises Alou, etc. are not going to repeat this year's injury-riddled seasons. And the D-Backs are not going to be as lucky as they have been this year regarding injuries when so many regulars are going to be over 30.

I don't mean to be the harbinger of bad news, but some of us on this board saw this trainwreck coming last winter.
 
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Agreed with everything that Mao said. Management put sprinkles on a pile of crap and sold it as a sundae. Some still like the taste, but I'm no fan...
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
Tony Clark, who convienently seems to have found his stroke at ripe old age 33, due to Clark's contract extension in the middle of a fluke year.

I agree w/you everything that you posted except for what I quoted... You're really not too familiar with Tony Clark who before battling some back problems had 3 All-Star calibre years in Detroit, however, couple along with the curse of Comerica Park along with his injuries is why he didnt produce, but it seems that he's since discovered his fountain of youth here.... He's revitalized from returning back to his home here in AZ and has another year or 2 of promise still remaining...
 

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I will also agree with what mao said. The sad part is that, as stated, this could go one for the next 2 or 3 years. I don't know if I want to renew my season tickets for type of baseball.

We got the request for the post season tickets and am not going to send in the money. I think alot of the season ticket holders won't which should send a message to the owners.


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It will only send a message if you scrawl across it, "Stop overpaying aging players - RE-Freakin'-BUILD, NOW! Oh yeah, and fire BoMel!" Which is exactly what I plan to do with mine.

Otherwise the message they may take away is that fans won't come unless they buy even more 'name' veterans. Mao is so right about how directionless this team is, and has been. Some of that gets laid at the door of JC . I would not trade the 2001 World Series for anything - but the process of recovering financially from it has been brutally mangled, IMHO.
 

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