The Denver Game-----My Take:

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What I liked-----Callais Campbell taking on two Denver linemen every play so that others could pressure Manning, then stepping back to intercept Manning's screen pass AND nearly taking it to the house.

What I didn't like-----the shameful dive at CC's knee by the Denver O-Lineman on the first defensive series after his interception, a BLATANT effort to injure Campbell in retaliation for the interception.

What I liked-----The tenacity of Andre Ellington, playing on a foot with a torn ligament, yet making the defense pay with his gutsy hard work throughout the game. The kid does whatever is needed; (a block in the backfield to keep the rush off our QB); (a perfectly executed sideline pass pattern, punctuated with a juke to cause a missed tackle so that he could turn the reception into a touch down); (the dirty work of packing the ball up the middle of the defense so that they had to respect the run). This kid does it all.

What I didn't like-----The shameful display by Ted Ginn Jr. showing that he has absolutely no intention of having the ball in his hands if there is even the most remote chance that he might be contacted in any way by the opponent. This has continued game after game. It is bad enough that he dropped two passes that were in BOTH hands, (one for a critical third down conversion), but now he is even backing away from a fair catch on a punt. This is a disgrace on a team where others are playing their guts out. He should not be retained after this season, and should not be allowed to continue this charade any further this season.

What I liked-----The promise of really good things to come from some of our rookie players; Daone Buchannan, the Cat Man, the surprisingly decent play of rookie QB, Logan Thomas, who was thrust into his first game as a professional; the tall defensive end whose name I cannot recall, playing in the spot vacated by injured Darnell Dockett.

What I didn't like-----the lack of leadership by Larry Fitzgerald. Early on, his lining up in the wrong spot, causing a time-out to be called to get it right. His two dropped passes, and a third which I will allow as defensed from behind, but was one that he used to catch out away from his body, then pull safely into his chest, (instead of allowing it to be thrown into his chest where it could be batted down from behind). His lazy route running, which allowed for one to nearly be picked for six when he rounded off what should have been a sharp down and out to the flat pass from the slot. The lazy route allowed the defender to simply jump the route because he tipped off where he was going. Thankfully the pick was dropped.

Still, it is abundantly clear that Fitzgerald has NOT yet gotten into the play book to really learn this new offense, even though we are 4 games into the second year in it. He continues to incur the wrath of Coach Bruce Arians, for his continued failure to do so and for his numerous drops. His lazy routes, and allowing the ball to get into his body instead of reaching out to snatch it, shows that he is in NO WAY close to earning the salary he is being paid. I find this troubling to say the least.

This poor play on his part has been overshadowed by pretty stellar play by our wide-outs in other games this year. But with Denver's great pass
coverage on our wide-outs today, we really needed the slot receiver to be effective, and he was not. Mr. Fitzgerald, you need to step up your game, and set the example for the rest of our receiving corps. EARN YOUR KEEP!

What I liked mostly-----the fact that, (with the exception of Mrsrs. Ginn and Fitzgerald), this team did not quit or lay down, or shy away from what was a very sharp and talented Denver team, which was 'on top' of its game today. A Cardinal's win would have required near perfect play, on a day when the roster was simply not capable of accomplishing that feat.

What I didn't like mostly-----The loss on the score board can be endured over the course of the season, but the loss of Campbell with his knee injury, and of Stanton with his concussion, for any protracted time, could jeopardize the entire season.
 

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Saying that Logan Thomas had a good game really tarnishes whatever credibility you have. You had more than 12 hours to think about this, and you decided to give props to a kid who went 1 for 8 because he lofted a prayer that somehow ended up in the hands of Andre Ellington?

What a joke. Thomas looked as bad or worse than Ryan Lindley. Lindley coming in against Atlanta in 2012 Week 10 still managed to go 9 of 20.
 

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Saying that Logan Thomas had a good game really tarnishes whatever credibility you have. You had more than 12 hours to think about this, and you decided to give props to a kid who went 1 for 8 because he lofted a prayer that somehow ended up in the hands of Andre Ellington?

What a joke. Thomas looked as bad or worse than Ryan Lindley. Lindley coming in against Atlanta in 2012 Week 10 still managed to go 9 of 20.

The team gave up on the game when he came in really. You could tell as he got sacked 2 consecutive times on the first drive he was in. I'm not saying Thomas is good, but they didn't give him a chance on the first drive. He did spark some life into the team when he tossed it to Ellington, but that all died when he missed on several passes on the next drive.
 

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Saying that Logan Thomas had a good game really tarnishes whatever credibility you have. You had more than 12 hours to think about this, and you decided to give props to a kid who went 1 for 8 because he lofted a prayer that somehow ended up in the hands of Andre Ellington?

What a joke. Thomas looked as bad or worse than Ryan Lindley. Lindley coming in against Atlanta in 2012 Week 10 still managed to go 9 of 20.

Yeah I don't fault Thomas at all he clearly was in a terrible situation but that TD pass was a total fluke. as they announcers said most NFL QB's wouldn't even attempt that. I suspect Floyd ran the wrong route because we had 2 guys there, the ball should not have been thrown, I think the other DB was surprised it was and that's why he not only didn't pick it, he didn't make the tackle and then Floyd to his credit makes a crushing block freeing Ellington for the TD.

Great play, fun as hell to watch but 9 times out of 10 that's an incomplete pass and probably 6 times it's an INT.

Beyond that Thomas looked exactly like a confused rookie, which he is.

He shouldn't be playing this year, it's extremely bad luck he had to.
 

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Saying that Logan Thomas had a good game really tarnishes whatever credibility you have. You had more than 12 hours to think about this, and you decided to give props to a kid who went 1 for 8 because he lofted a prayer that somehow ended up in the hands of Andre Ellington?

What a joke. Thomas looked as bad or worse than Ryan Lindley. Lindley coming in against Atlanta in 2012 Week 10 still managed to go 9 of 20.


that pass sure was pretty but the rest were scuds.
 

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I was surprised the FO didn't pick up a backup for Stanton last week knowing if Stanton went down, they would be playing Thomas. I guess they had enough trust in Thomas to take over if Stanton went down. We can't jump on Thomas to much as he hasn't really had any reps with the 1st string. He still had some throws that he could have made, but some of those like the throw to Fitz, they weren't on the same page.

I hope we hear that the FO is going after a backup QB this week.
 

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What I don't like: singling out Fitz for criticism when Michael Floyd, John Brown and Rob Housler played just as poorly. It was a group effort by all the receivers. Eight drops by count of the Fox Broadcast team. At least Larry had SOME catches.

Hopefully they all had some bad pizza Saturday night and it was a one game issue. ;)
 

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I was surprised the FO didn't pick up a backup for Stanton last week knowing if Stanton went down, they would be playing Thomas. I guess they had enough trust in Thomas to take over if Stanton went down(bad idea). I hope we hear that the FO is going after a backup QB this week.

The best thing they could do is sign Lindley off the Chargers practice squad. I wouldn't be surprised to see them do exactly that.

It takes a month for a fresh quarterback to become integrated into a system. Buffalo didn't sign Kyle Orton until the eve of the season and it took him a month to get up to speed. A veteran brought in doesn't have much of a hope unless he'd been working in Arians' system fairly recently.

I expect that we'll bring in a backup arm just to be able to run a practice this week. If we can't get Lindley, I imagine that we'll run that offensive system where we start punting on third down.
 

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Logan Thomas played decent? :biglaugh:

I don't care if he was thrown into the fire or not he blows & always has. The guy has a cannon but no touch & throws every pass with too much zip, which he did as well in college & Highly innacurate.
 

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The best thing they could do is sign Lindley off the Chargers practice squad. I wouldn't be surprised to see them do exactly that.

It takes a month for a fresh quarterback to become integrated into a system. Buffalo didn't sign Kyle Orton until the eve of the season and it took him a month to get up to speed. A veteran brought in doesn't have much of a hope unless he'd been working in Arians' system fairly recently.

I expect that we'll bring in a backup arm just to be able to run a practice this week. If we can't get Lindley, I imagine that we'll run that offensive system where we start punting on third down.

If BOTH Palmer and Stanton are out, that would be the smartest thing to do. Based on last season's lengthy learning curve for the Arians' offense, I suspect Ryan Lindley is much further along in the B.A. offense than Thomas, who looked totally befuddled on Sunday.
 
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Saying that Logan Thomas had a good game really tarnishes whatever credibility you have. You had more than 12 hours to think about this, and you decided to give props to a kid who went 1 for 8 because he lofted a prayer that somehow ended up in the hands of Andre Ellington?

What a joke. Thomas looked as bad or worse than Ryan Lindley. Lindley coming in against Atlanta in 2012 Week 10 still managed to go 9 of 20.

I believe that I called his play yesterday, "surprisingly decent". He threw for one TD, and had no interceptions. That, to me, was surprising, especially considering the edge rushers he faced, two of the league's best, who laid their ears back and came on every play. I even thought it was "surprising" that he survived without sustaining a serious injury.

For someone who claims to have me on 'ignore', you are certainly quick to flame me. I notice that you have almost nothing but inflammatory remarks to make about this team that plays hard and is very depleted, and for most posters who write positively about it.

Your hatred of Steve Keim, in particular, is well known on this board. From the very beginning of his tenure here as General Manager, you have claimed that he has done nothing to warrant any praise for his stellar work, yet most sports writers around the nation deem his work to be exemplary. I find it sad that you cannot seem to find it in your heart to write anything really positive about this team, and only seem to get enjoyment from flame throwing.
 

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I believe that I called his play yesterday, "surprisingly decent". He threw for one TD, and had no interceptions. That, to me, was surprising, especially considering the edge rushers he faced, two of the league's best, who laid their ears back and came on every play. I even thought it was "surprising" that he survived without sustaining a serious injury.

For someone who claims to have me on 'ignore', you are certainly quick to flame me. I notice that you have almost nothing but inflammatory remarks to make about this team that plays hard and is very depleted, and for most posters who write positively about it.

Your hatred of Steve Keim, in particular, is well known on this board. From the very beginning of his tenure here as General Manager, you have claimed that he has done nothing to warrant any praise for his stellar work, yet most sports writers around the nation deem his work to be exemplary. I find it sad that you cannot seem to find it in your heart to write anything really positive about this team, and only seem to get enjoyment from flame throwing.

Nothing "decent" about 1-for-8 when the lone completion was a prayer that somehow got turned into a TD and the other 7 attempts looked like stuff you see in 3A high school football games. Was there anything from Logan Thomas that you saw that made you say "I can build on this"?

Thanks for responding to a bunch of stuff that I didn't mention in your thread.
 

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I believe that I called his play yesterday, "surprisingly decent". He threw for one TD, and had no interceptions. That, to me, was surprising, especially considering the edge rushers he faced, two of the league's best, who laid their ears back and came on every play. I even thought it was "surprising" that he survived without sustaining a serious injury.

For someone who claims to have me on 'ignore', you are certainly quick to flame me. I notice that you have almost nothing but inflammatory remarks to make about this team that plays hard and is very depleted, and for most posters who write positively about it.

Your hatred of Steve Keim, in particular, is well known on this board. From the very beginning of his tenure here as General Manager, you have claimed that he has done nothing to warrant any praise for his stellar work, yet most sports writers around the nation deem his work to be exemplary. I find it sad that you cannot seem to find it in your heart to write anything really positive about this team, and only seem to get enjoyment from flame throwing.

this is incredibly lame. You made a what most would believe is a pretty inaccurate statement about "surprisingly decent" play which was all based off a fluky touchdown and then proceed to make an entire post that is nothing but a personal attack.

as to "not finding it in his heart to write anything positive", every single week he's a got a hero's and goats thread where he talks about positives and minuses. get a grip. you wrote something that almost no one would agree with re: Logan's play, you got called out for it and proceeded to throw a hissy fit. that's on YOU, not him.
 

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The best thing they could do is sign Lindley off the Chargers practice squad. I wouldn't be surprised to see them do exactly that.
It takes a month for a fresh quarterback to become integrated into a system. Buffalo didn't sign Kyle Orton until the eve of the season and it took him a month to get up to speed. A veteran brought in doesn't have much of a hope unless he'd been working in Arians' system fairly recently.

I expect that we'll bring in a backup arm just to be able to run a practice this week. If we can't get Lindley, I imagine that we'll run that offensive system where we start punting on third down.

This would probably be the wisest decision however he would have to go onto the 53 man roster and this brings up the question of if they decide to grab Lindley, does he need to stay on the active roster for a certain number of games? Can they grab him and then dump him after only a week or two? I would think this would impact the roster and someone would have to be let go. With the injuries piling up the way they are presently who would you let go?
 

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this is incredibly lame. You made a what most would believe is a pretty inaccurate statement about "surprisingly decent" play which was all based off a fluky touchdown and then proceed to make an entire post that is nothing but a personal attack.

as to "not finding it in his heart to write anything positive", every single week he's a got a hero's and goats thread where he talks about positives and minuses. get a grip. you wrote something that almost no one would agree with re: Logan's play, you got called out for it and proceeded to throw a hissy fit. that's on YOU, not him.

Catfish has the right to have his own opinion.He saw something positive with Thomas throwing a TD.That`s his choice.Kerouac and your opinion counts no more than anyone else.
 

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This would probably be the wisest decision however he would have to go onto the 53 man roster and this brings up the question of if they decide to grab Lindley, does he need to stay on the active roster for a certain number of games? Can they grab him and then dump him after only a week or two? I would think this would impact the roster and someone would have to be let go. With the injuries piling up the way they are presently who would you let go?

He has to stay on the 53-man roster for, I think, four weeks. Honestly, he can't be much worse than what we've seen from Logan Thomas in Denver, and I think there's something to be said for sparing Logan Thomas having to put tape like this out there, and then watch that tape, even if the results are going to be the same.

Logan Thomas is not a good quarterback right now. Logan Thomas isn't even a bad quarterback right now. He's a dreadful, awful quarterback. You can't run him out there next week and have the credibility of your team that you're trying to win football games. Putting Logan Thomas near the starting lineup for another week would be like starting Max Hall.
 

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Putting Logan Thomas near the starting lineup for another week would be like starting Max Hall.

A moxi-less Max Hall no less.



You like to think Arians and Moore signed off on Thomas, and for that I have SOME hope they can make him into an NFL QB.

But right now I say it's a long shot at best, cannon for an arm, but absolutely no natural instincts with regards to the pocket, and that worries me more than his other flaws, because I don't think instincts are really coachable.
 
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One more thing I didn't like-----with under three minutes left in the game, and a 21 point lead, Peyton Manning was still trying to run a hurry-up offense and was still throwing the ball. He was clearly perplexed that the sideline was not sending in a play quick enough to suit his pleasure. I think that is rubbing one's nose in it, and lacks the class that one should expect from a talent like Manning.
 

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Logan Thomas played decent? :biglaugh:

I don't care if he was thrown into the fire or not he blows & always has. The guy has a cannon but no touch & throws every pass with too much zip, which he did as well in college & Highly innacurate.


I agree. He looked bad. His accuracy was horrendous. It was his first action so I am going to hope it improves.
 

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How much advice, training, and help does a rookie 3rd string QB actually get in practice? I don't have a clue. Suppose it is somewhere between hey kid, here is a ball, now go find someone to practice throwing with, and getting individual attention at improving those things he is not used to doing. I didn't watch all his plays, but caught a few on a live internet site. My limited impression of him was that he wasn't scared out there and had a gunslingers mentality, which I liked. I thought he looked like he had the tools you want to develop. I got a positive feeling about him.
 

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One more thing I didn't like-----with under three minutes left in the game, and a 21 point lead, Peyton Manning was still trying to run a hurry-up offense and was still throwing the ball. He was clearly perplexed that the sideline was not sending in a play quick enough to suit his pleasure. I think that is rubbing one's nose in it, and lacks the class that one should expect from a talent like Manning.

What's that old saying? If you don't like it stop it!!! That's the Donkeys offense. Didn't we blow out the Lambs last year? No pity parties in the the NFL fish.
 

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I agree. He looked bad. His accuracy was horrendous. It was his first action so I am going to hope it improves.

John, the aggravating part to me is that many peeps here think QB gurus like BA & Moore are gonna improve this kids accuracy with footwork. I think they nightly slightly improve him at best.

I still say accuracy is a special talent that only the great ones have. While footwork plays a small factor it's all about anticipation, ball placement & touch. Thomas rarely showed those skills in college & IMO seems to always tries to put too much zip on each pass. IMO arm strength isn't 1 of the top 3 items of importance in being a top flight NFL QB.
 

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I still find it hard to believe that LT had that game in preseason where he looked off receivers, threw some good passes and looked semi comfortable in the pocket.

What happened to him building on that?

Now he looks like a deer in the headlights.

Too much info running through his head? Not understanding the playbook? Scared? Not getting enough work? Just plain not any good?

A lot of questions have to be answered with this guy. I'm not so sure enough of these issues can be rectified this week to give us a chance to win next Sunday
 

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I still find it hard to believe that LT had that game in preseason where he looked off receivers, threw some good passes and looked semi comfortable in the pocket.

What happened to him building on that?

Now he looks like a deer in the headlights.

Too much info running through his head? Not understanding the playbook? Scared? Not getting enough work? Just plain not any good?

A lot of questions have to be answered with this guy. I'm not so sure enough of these issues can be rectified this week to give us a chance to win next Sunday

Preseason is totally different, this was a real game with real bullets.
 

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