The Frye Effect

[WuRaider]

 

[ninous26]

Usually when frye is having a good game so are other players.. Cool video, thanks to whoever made it. The music was CHEESEY! though haha lol

 

[sunsfan88]

Suns are 11-1 when Frye scores at least 15 pts.

I used to hate the guy a lot but now I dont hate him as much cause he's starting to play defense, rebound and taking jumpshots sometimes instead of ALWAYS standing parked behind that 3pt line.

Only if he could post up when players 10 times SMALLER than he is, guards him.

 

[dodie53]

let's extend Frye,
oh wait,
we already did.

 

[jagu]

Frye is doing a lot better and there's less of a reason for me to hate him. When he loses confidence in his shot, its unbearable to watch. I hope he continues his good play because I know when he is going well the Suns win games.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Frye is doing a lot better and there's less of a reason for me to hate him. When he loses confidence in his shot, its unbearable to watch. I hope he continues his good play because I know when he is going well the Suns win games.

You know, that's been the case for this season AND last season. Frye helps us when he's playing well, it's as simple as that. The problem is, he doesn't always play well and our team hasn't been able to just put him on the bench when his shot isn't falling. We've needed him to play like he's the 2nd or 3rd best player on this team and sometimes that's just been too much to ask of him. Now, with Gortat coming into his own, hopefully, we won't need Frye to that extent.

Steve

 

[desertdawg]

You know, that's been the case for this season AND last season. Frye helps us when he's playing well, it's as simple as that. The problem is, he doesn't always play well and our team hasn't been able to just put him on the bench when his shot isn't falling. We've needed him to play like he's the 2nd or 3rd best player on this team and sometimes that's just been too much to ask of him. Now, with Gortat coming into his own, hopefully, we won't need Frye to that extent.

Steve

Yamon, Frye is usually really good or really bad but the Suns try and leave him in during stretches that are hard to watch. Gortat is going to open it up a little more and that can give Channing that extra second for his jumpshot. When it's playoff time we need Frye to be confident in his all around game. This can happen a lot easier now that we have Lopez and Gortat to share time and absorb the other squads big guys.

 

[leclerc]

...if we get to the playoffs.

 

[JCSunsfan]

But here is the question. Is Frye our long term answer at the 4? If not, what is his role on the team.

If he is, what must happen in the 1-3 positions to make it all make sense.

 

[AzStevenCal]

But here is the question. Is Frye our long term answer at the 4? If not, what is his role on the team.

If he is, what must happen in the 1-3 positions to make it all make sense.

I think we need the kind of talent that relegates Frye to the occasional starter/6th man role and unfortunately we're a ways from that right now. If we had somebody like Carmelo (not suggesting we should go after or him that we could actually get him) playing the 3 spot, Frye would probably be fine at the four even as a starter. If we had someone like Amare playing the 4 spot, Frye would be fine backing up both the 4 and the 5.

Steve

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think we need the kind of talent that relegates Frye to the occasional starter/6th man role and unfortunately we're a ways from that right now. If we had somebody like Carmelo (not suggesting we should go after or him that we could actually get him) playing the 3 spot, Frye would probably be fine at the four even as a starter. If we had someone like Amare playing the 4 spot, Frye would be fine backing up both the 4 and the 5.

Steve

Frye is starting to make it hard though. He seems to be improving in his D and rebounding. Maybe its Gortat's presence or something. But Frye and Gortat seem to work pretty well together, so that Frye is effective even when his shot is off. I am not convince that Frye is the long term answer for the starting 4, but I am beginning to consider it.

Players with Frye's size and combination of skills are difficult to find.

If that is the case, we need to find a "lead quality" starting 2 or 3. Actually, JRich would fit nicely. We probably also need to find the best possible pg in the draft.

 

[Ronin]

It looks like Frye is turning into a poor man's Rasheed Wallace.
I can live with that.

 

[SirStefan32]

It looks like Frye is turning into a poor man's Rasheed Wallace.
I can live with that.

Let's not get carried away. Sheed was one hell of a defender. Frye has worked really hard just to not be a horrible defender.

 

[jagu]

Let's not get carried away. Sheed was one hell of a defender. Frye has worked really hard just to not be a horrible defender.

Frye has improved a lot from the days of utterly worthless defense. I used to watch Frye play and think, damn he's stupid. He's worked hard and has much improved. And I'm one of the biggest haters of Frye out there. I hope he continues to play with confidence and take shots without any hesitation!

 

[TucsonDevil]

I don't mean to be too critical of the point, but doesn't every player on this team have 'an effect'? The Suns roster doesn't have a large, super player, talent pool. Therefore, if 'all cylinders' aren't firing, the team is going to struggle/lose. There are only about 10 teams that can win with poor performances from key players - those poor efforts are generally offset with a relative high level of talent and team work amongst the others.

Case in point, in 2005-2006 when Amare was gone and KT missed the second half, the Suns continued success because Nash, Marion, Diaw, and even Bell were arguably playing at their career best. Nash, Hill and Carter are past their prime and can't carry others' poor performances or collective team weaknesses anymore...

...but again, I'm preaching to the choir.

BTW, great video editing. I enjoyed it.

 

[Bert]

Frye has improved a lot from the days of utterly worthless defense. I used to watch Frye play and think, damn he's stupid. He's worked hard and has much improved. And I'm one of the biggest haters of Frye out there. I hope he continues to play with confidence and take shots without any hesitation!

After the first two games against LA last year in the WCF, I as ready to pack Frye's bags for him.

This year he's still bombing threes but he definitely looks more interested in playing defense and rebounding, he's getting some nice blocks too. I agree I like what we're seeing out of him and I hope he continues to improve.

 

[BC867]

He seems to be improving in his D and rebounding. Maybe its Gortat's presence or something. But Frye and Gortat seem to work pretty well together, so that Frye is effective even when his shot is off.

That is an excellent point. I've been saying for a long time that one big man on the floor (whether Amar'e or Frye) will not lead to Suns success. It is simply too much pressure in the best basketball league in the world.

Gortat's presence and Frye's improvement in defending and rebounding is not a coincidence.

Last night vs. the Bucks, for example, Frye had 13 rebounds in 36 minutes out of the limelight next to Gortat who had 11 boards in 33 minutes.

And Frye's 14 points to Gortat's 19 was a nice complement. Not having to be "the man" (playing Center alongside an undersized Power Forward) takes a lot of pressure off Frye, just as not having to play Center alongside an undersized Power Forward takes a lot of pressure off Gortat.

If Gortat were the only Suns player weighing more than 225 lbs. for most of his time on the court, his results wouldn't be as good.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Just a bump. Frye is continuing to play excellent, consistent ball. He is rebounding a greatly improved rate and his D is significantly improved. He also seems to be able to hit big shots, as in last nights game. He does seem to have hot and cold streaks, but they do not seem to be associated with critical game moments.

Just another example of a big man taking time to develop.

 

[elindholm]

No one on the Suns' roster is the long-term answer anywhere.

 

[Chaplin]

No one on the Suns' roster is the long-term answer anywhere.

Ironically enough, there are very few long-term answers on any team. You basically have to have a consistent top 3 or top 5 pick every year before you have any long-term answers. And of course, we've been too good to get any of those at all.

 

[elindholm]

Ironically enough, there are very few long-term answers on any team.

That's right. NBA rosters change very quickly. Without doing a massive statistical study, I'd guess that a typical team's top-12 turns over by 50% or more every three years. (The Spurs are the most noteworthy exception, although even there the supporting cast has been awfully transient.) The Suns, recently, have been more active than most, and only four players on the current squad have been with the team since the start of the 2008-09 season: Nash, Hill, Lopez, and Dragic. Dudley is next in line at about two full years.

That's part of the reason that I find the notion of "building toward a championship" right now to be rather silly. No one other than Nash or Hill is anything more than a role player, and you don't know what kind of role players you need until you know who your stars are. So the best the Suns can do is put themselves into a position to be ready for their next opportunity to get a star, or two, or three. Seeing as how they aren't going to add a star before this summer's draft (at the absolute earliest), I don't see what the panic is about trying to intensify the rebuild this instant.

 

[BC867]

Pleased to meet you, too, Mr. Garnett . . .

Pleased to meet you, too, Mr. Garnett. But the next time, shaking my hand will suffice.