The Heat are the worst team ever

[Bufalay]

The NBA should take their pick away. This tanking stuff is terrible.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280319028

 

[mojorizen7]

Wow. I think that if i called up a few old friends from my playing days we could muster up more than 9 points in a qtr against Toronto.
Thats ugleee.

 

[jbeecham]

So Marion, Jason Williams & Haslem aren't playing by coaches decision and the Heat are 3 1/2 games worse than any other team.....

 

[JoRain]

and that was the 3rd lowest scoring since shot clock was introduced

oh man.... it can't get much worse

 

[Gaddabout]

Man, they should've done this last year.

 

[Bufalay]

Looks like the Heat are taking a page out of Cleveland's book. If you want the top pick, give the ball to Ricky Davis and get out of his way.

 

[English on tour]

I was in Miami to see them play Golden State and they really got blown out (they only had 7 players though they should have asked if the could play all 7 at the same time)

the suns old boys looked ok to be fair.

 

[elindholm]

The important thing to me is that Marion is happy. Nothing else really matters.

 

[TucsonDevil]

The important thing to me is that Marion is happy. Nothing else really matters.

 

[boisesuns]

The important thing to me is that Marion is happy. Nothing else really matters.

He must be so happy. I mean he got to move from option #3 to options #2 and about 30 more losses.

 

[Gee!]

Anyone see Marion laying on the floor last nite? He looked as happy as a fat kid in a candy store with a hundred dollar bill..

 

[Folster]

I have a problem with Riley taking leave to watch prospects. The guy only wants to coach when he has a good team.

 

[Bufalay]

haha Marion went from #3 option on the Suns to #2 option on the Heat only because Wade is injured. Everyone knows Ricky Davis is the man on that team.

 

[btimsah]

It says a lot about what Marion's vanity got him. He'd rather be a popular loser than a slightly less popular winnner.

God, what a loser. What, what? Yeah that's right.

 

[TheHopToad]

haha Marion went from #3 option on the Suns to #2 option on the Heat only because Wade is injured. Everyone knows Ricky Davis is the man on that team.

Heck, Marion isn't even an option at all. He's a DNP - Coach's Decision.

He's got to be very happy that he gets to conserve his energy by sitting on the bench. Scoring points and winning games takes energy. This team will be well rested for the off-season.

 

[CaptainInsano]

Why I started to dislike marion was because I got the intense feeling that he really didn't give a damn if we won a championship or not, or even if we were a good team.

It seemed all he wanted was bucketloads of money and personal recognition.

Needless to say I won't miss him one bit, he never once pushed himself to the limit against the spurs like a real superstar would, for example, and it showed.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He must be so happy. I mean he got to move from option #3 to options #2 and about 30 more losses.

and he's quickly moving back to option #3 once beasley arrives. poor marion.

 

[HooverDam]

It'll be interesting to see where the Heat land in the lottery. If they keep Marion, they've got a pretty talented group of wing players in Wade, Marion and Davis and a decent PF in Haslem. However, they really need a PG and a Center or perhaps an upgrade at PF. Depending on where they land Brooke Lopez, Jerryd Bayless (if he declares), or Derrick Rose might be the pick.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

The cure for tanking to remove the motivation for it.

All teams in the lottery drawn at random to determine draft order. Then no one has any reason to do this crap.

 

[HooverDam]

The cure for tanking to remove the motivation for it.

All teams in the lottery drawn at random to determine draft order. Then no one has any reason to do this crap.

Meh, I don't mind tanking. Whats the point of being a sports team, to try to win, right? So, if you realize that losing short term will help you win long term, I'm fine with that. Its like when businesses operate at a loss initially to get a foothold in the market, and then to eventually make a profit. Sure, the point of a business is to make profit, but if you realize running at a loss will help you in the long run, then why not do it?

I guess some people have some illogical (in my eyes) hang up on the 'integrity of the game,' but I want my team to be a winner for years to come, and if losing 20 games at the end of a lost season helps me land a superstar like Tim Duncan, I'm all for it.

 

[nowagimp]

Why I started to dislike marion was because I got the intense feeling that he really didn't give a damn if we won a championship or not, or even if we were a good team.

It seemed all he wanted was bucketloads of money and personal recognition.

Needless to say I won't miss him one bit, he never once pushed himself to the limit against the spurs like a real superstar would, for example, and it showed.

I disagree there, marion hustled as much as anyone except perhaps Bell. I though the problem was that he was overmatched and couldnt make the larger player pay on the other end by making him come out to guard on the perimeter and outquicking him. Even when the defense came out, marion couldnt abuse a bigger player(or a smaller one). The spurs at times put Tony Parker on marion defensively and marion couldnt make him pay because he was a lousy post up player. Boris freaking Diaw is a much better post up player than marion. For a guy making the most on his team, thats sad.

 

[nowagimp]

Meh, I don't mind tanking. Whats the point of being a sports team, to try to win, right? So, if you realize that losing short term will help you win long term, I'm fine with that. Its like when businesses operate at a loss initially to get a foothold in the market, and then to eventually make a profit. Sure, the point of a business is to make profit, but if you realize running at a loss will help you in the long run, then why not do it?

I guess some people have some illogical (in my eyes) hang up on the 'integrity of the game,' but I want my team to be a winner for years to come, and if losing 20 games at the end of a lost season helps me land a superstar like Tim Duncan, I'm all for it.

Nah tanking screws up the late season playoff race, removes the legitimacy. If one teams plays team B 3 times early when they arent tanking and another plays them 3 times late when they have already given up it creates a big disparity in the difficulty of schedule for the year. I think Chris' idea is a good one, screw the tankers with an equal probability. Think of all the good draft choices that languished in tanktowns like san diego, their skills never really appreciated by the NBA fans. The tanking mentality should not be rewarded.

 

[arwillan]

I disagree there, marion hustled as much as anyone except perhaps Bell. I though the problem was that he was overmatched and couldnt make the larger player pay on the other end by making him come out to guard on the perimeter and outquicking him. Even when the defense came out, marion couldnt abuse a bigger player(or a smaller one). The spurs at times put Tony Parker on marion defensively and marion couldnt make him pay because he was a lousy post up player. Boris freaking Diaw is a much better post up player than marion. For a guy making the most on his team, thats sad.

i wouldn't really consider that much of a knock on marion's game. Diaw is a very respectable post player when he wants to be (see 2006 playoffs).

 

[nowagimp]

i wouldn't really consider that much of a knock on marion's game. Diaw is a very respectable post player when he wants to be (see 2006 playoffs).

Marion has a great set of skills, but not for a max player. Diaw creates more matchup problems than marion and is a better defender down low because hes stronger and smarter down there than shawn. I actually like Diaw, unlike many posters here who are frustrated with him. As I posted months ago, Diaw will be a key piece of the suns if they expect to contend, and I believe that alot of the euro players are mnisunderstood by american basketball fans. Diaw is the second best post defender on the team behind shaq, and did a far better job on aldrige than amare in the portland game by limiting aldrige from getting to his favored spots. Is Diaw worth 9M/yr, not at his current production rate, but I havent given up on him yet. He may still improve as he settles in with his new teammates. WIth Bell out, I kind of like starting diaw at the '3' and putting hill at the '2'. This way giricek, LB and skinner can come off the bench.

 

[mojorizen7]

Not a Marion hater myself. The problem was that other than Nash & Stat, we had no one who could make something happen or create a shot when the defense got tight.
Your #3 option had better have that capability. Now we can go to Stat more often(w/teams more hesitant to send the double team w/Shaq underneath)) and G.Hill is a huge upgrade over Marion in terms of creating a quality one-on-one shot.

As far as tanking goes i don't have a big problem with it. I don't like it but i'm not sure that reshuffling the lottery teams is the answer either. How about if you're the team that finishes(legitamitely) with the 2nd worst record below a team like Miami who's obviously tanking it and you wind up picking 10th behind Miami who ends up picking say....top 5? Not cool.
Thats not the right way to handle it.