The "If Rumors Are True" Mock

[Mitch]

TRADE:

Browns Get #1 (Bradford).
Rams Get: #7, #38 and 2011 1st rounder.

1. CLE: QB Sam Bradford
2. DET: DT Ndamukon Suh
3. TB: DT Gerald McCoy
4. WAS: T Trent Wiliams

TRADE:

Chiefs Get: #24, #37, #105, 2011 5th rounder.
Eagles Get: #5 (Berry).

5. PHI: S Eric Berry
6. SEA: TE Russell Okung
7. STL (from CLE): DE Derrick Morgan
8. OAK: G Mike Iupati
9. BUF: T Brian Bulaga
10. JAX: S Earl Thomas
11. DEN: LB Rolando McClain
12. MIA: NT Dan Williams
13. SF: QB Jimmy Clausen
14. SEA: RB C.J. Spiller
15. NYG: DE Jason Pierre-Paul
16. TEN: DE Brandon Graham
17. SF: T Anthony Davis
18. PIT: QB Tim Tebow
19. ATL: DE Sergio Kindle
20. HOU: CB Joe Haden
21. CIN: WR Dez Bryant
22. NE: 34DE Jared Odrick
23. GB: CB Kyle Wilson
24. KC (from PHI): WR Golden Tate
25. BAL: TE Jermaine Gresham
26. ARZ: 34SOLB Jerry Hughes
27. DAL: T Rodger Saffold

TRADE:

SD Gets: #41, #72, 2011 4th rounder.
BUF Gets: #28 (McCoy).

28. BUF: QB Colt McCoy
29. NYJ: C/G Maurkice Pouncey
30. MIN: CB Devin McCourty
31. IND: T Charles Brown
32. NO: DE Carlos Dunlap

 

[Buckybird]

Good stuff Mitch, yes the rumors are flying.

BTW, How many times can a player be drafted? You have Trent Williams listed twice.

 

[Mitch]

Good stuff Mitch, yes the rumors are flying.

BTW, How many times can a player be drafted? You have Trent Williams listed twice.

Oops, thanks, Bucky. Will change it now.

 

[Buckybird]

I look forward to your final mock 2morrow. Thx for all the time & effort you put in.

 

[kerouac9]

Wow. The Rams trade out of the #1 overall pick to take another defensive lineman? Fans would rightly show up and burn down the TWA dome.

That would mean that out of their last 11 first round picks, six were defensive linemen. No way that happens.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Wow. The Rams trade out of the #1 overall pick to take another defensive lineman? Fans would rightly show up and burn down the TWA dome.

That would mean that out of their last 11 first round picks, six were defensive linemen. No way that happens.

Agreed, they only trade if they get Claussen.

 

[Buckybird]

Wow. The Rams trade out of the #1 overall pick to take another defensive lineman? Fans would rightly show up and burn down the TWA dome.

That would mean that out of their last 11 first round picks, six were defensive linemen. No way that happens.

the headline says "if the rumors are true"

 

[Buckybird]

Agreed, they only trade if they get Claussen.

I've also heard the Rams like McCoy & have had him in.


McCoy stated yesterday on Sirius radio that he has had more talks & meetings with the Brownies than anyone. I think he said almost everyday.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Agreed, they only trade if they get Claussen.

Nonsense... they don't want a first round QB. They aren't that stupid as to believe that taking Claussen over a stud lineman, while picking up more draft picks makes sense! They know they aren't winning in 2010 and most likely 2011. They need picks. And they need to build a foundation from which future success will come.
I actually thought they were going to try to make a trade with the Skins for Jason Campbell however... hmmm....

 

[kerouac9]

Nonsense... they don't want a first round QB. They aren't that stupid as to believe that taking Claussen over a stud lineman, while picking up more draft picks makes sense! They know they aren't winning in 2010 and most likely 2011. They need picks. And they need to build a foundation from which future success will come.
I actually thought they were going to try to make a trade with the Skins for Jason Campbell however... hmmm....

The problem is that no one things that Derrick Morgan is a stud lineman. I think that if they could still get Suh or McCoy, they'd make the trade, but not for Morgan, and not for so little in return. If you're going to give up the #1 overall pick and that guy's going to be a QB, you better be able to get yourself better in four or five positions within the next two seasons. That deal doesn't work for them.

Derrick Morgan doesn't present a foundation for future success. He's not that good of a prospect.

 

[stewdog1]

Agreed, they only trade if they get Claussen.

That's what I think too. Plus he would be cheaper than Bradford.

 

[82CardsGrad]

The problem is that no one things that Derrick Morgan is a stud lineman. I think that if they could still get Suh or McCoy, they'd make the trade, but not for Morgan, and not for so little in return. If you're going to give up the #1 overall pick and that guy's going to be a QB, you better be able to get yourself better in four or five positions within the next two seasons. That deal doesn't work for them.

Derrick Morgan doesn't present a foundation for future success. He's not that good of a prospect.

Unless I missed it, the Rams haven't actually selected yet have they? Unless of course they are totally beholden to Mitch...

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Nonsense... they don't want a first round QB. They aren't that stupid as to believe that taking Claussen over a stud lineman, while picking up more draft picks makes sense! They know they aren't winning in 2010 and most likely 2011. They need picks. And they need to build a foundation from which future success will come.
I actually thought they were going to try to make a trade with the Skins for Jason Campbell however... hmmm....

They are sick of drafting linemen only for them not to work out. They need to get a QB this year. It isn't even a question of want anymore.

 

[82CardsGrad]

They are sick of drafting linemen only for them not to work out. They need to get a QB this year. It isn't even a question of want anymore.

Well, if they don't do a last minute deal with the Skins for Campbell, you could be right. But I would really be surprised if they are not right now, hard at work trying to get that deal done.

 

[Ronin]

Meh the Jimmy Clausen is fueled by Tim Kawakami.
Who is in the same heap as Ray Ratto.
I wouldn't put much stock into that rumor.

 

[Mitch]

The problem is that no one things that Derrick Morgan is a stud lineman. I think that if they could still get Suh or McCoy, they'd make the trade, but not for Morgan, and not for so little in return. If you're going to give up the #1 overall pick and that guy's going to be a QB, you better be able to get yourself better in four or five positions within the next two seasons. That deal doesn't work for them.

Derrick Morgan doesn't present a foundation for future success. He's not that good of a prospect.

"No one thinks that Derrick Morgan is a stud lineman"? What? He's rated by just about everyone as the #1 DE prospect in the draft.

The Rams signed a good DT in Fred Robbins, they have a good DT in Clifton Ryan and now that Leonard Little is gone they have no DE opposite Chris Long.

The problem is too that it looks like the best DE prospects wil be snatched up in the first round...which would make them have to reach for one at #33.

The extra picks would also give them the flexibility to trade back into the first round for Colt McCoy, whom they apparently liked when he visited and tried out. Or there's a very good chance McCoy could still be on the board at #33.

 

[JeffGollin]

Nice job, Mitch (I even see you caught up with the "Big Al drafts Iupati" rumor).

I also see you picked up on the Clausen to SF buzz; however, I suspect Clausen will be drafted higher than #13. Either the Niners will have to trade up to get him or he'll wind up with Cleveland, Seattle, Buffalo or Denver.

The only thing I have a problem with is StL - who owned the rights to draft the best player in this year's draft - winding up with Derick Morgan (Don't get me wrong - Morgan's considered a good prospect; but not quite in the can't-miss class with guys like Suh, McCoy, Okung, Berry or T Williams). I just don't think their fans would put up with settling for Morgan regardless of the other 2nd round and 2011 pick they'd get.

I like the Eagles trading up to get Berry buzz (since they now have Sims and no longer would need to trade up for McClain or stand pat with Weatherspoon at #24).

Finally, the Steelers picked up Leftwich and no longer have to feel desperate about having to reach for Tebow in order to replace Roethlisburger. Maybe later on (if they could trade down - but not past the Vikes at #30), but not at #18.

 

[kerouac9]

"No one thinks that Derrick Morgan is a stud lineman"? What? He's rated by just about everyone as the #1 DE prospect in the draft.

The Rams signed a good DT in Fred Robbins, they have a good DT in Clifton Ryan and now that Leonard Little is gone they have no DE opposite Chris Long.

The problem is too that it looks like the best DE prospects wil be snatched up in the first round...which would make them have to reach for one at #33.

The extra picks would also give them the flexibility to trade back into the first round for Colt McCoy, whom they apparently liked when he visited and tried out. Or there's a very good chance McCoy could still be on the board at #33.

Just because you're the top pass rusher in a draft class doesn't mean that you're a potential stud. If Morgan was half as good as you're talking him up here, he'd be a potential Top 3 pick (like Mario Williams was), not a guy who'll be lucky to be drafted in the Top 10.

He's a solid prospect, but the fact of the matter is that there aren't a lot of elite pass rush prospects in this group. That's why you've seen a guy who's played some 10 games of college football like Pierre Paul get hype as a Top 15 pick. Really? Top 15? There are a bunch of guys, but no one can say that Everson Griffen isn't going to be better than Pierre Paul or Derrick Morgan or the kid from Florida.

Football Outsiders just introduced a new metric called the SackSEER. It purports to predict sack production over the first five year's of an edge rusher's career. SackSEER likes Jerry Hughes as the top rusher in this draft class.

BUT.

It has him down for just over 27 sacks in the first five years of his career. That's lower than the top 12 all-time SackSEER prospects. Derrick Morgan is second, followed by Griffen and Graham. All of them are withing 5 sacks of each other.

I disagree with you that all of the pass rush prospects will be gone by the 33rd overall pick, as well. Odds are 50/50 that Everson Griffen falls out of the first round, and Jason Pierre-Paul's stock seems to be sliding, as well. Carlos Dunlap will probably be available with the 33rd overall pick. Corey Wooton would be a good strong-side DE prospect.

Just because a guy's the best player in a bad class doesn't mean that he's guaranteed to be a stud.

 

[WildBB]

Meh the Jimmy Clausen is fueled by Tim Kawakami.
Who is in the same heap as Ray Ratto.
I wouldn't put much stock into that rumor.

Is that his agent?

As far as the Rams trading out, can they actually protect an injury prone QB?
That may be the question they are asking themselves.

If they get a offer to build the franchise with multiple high picks, I think I'd do it. Dallas went from 1-15 to contenders in two yrs that way.

 

[Zero]

Is that his agent?

Nope, Just Bay Area reporter that loves to make his own rumors true.

 

[Chopper0080]

I look for Philly to trade up with Denver for Earl Thomas,and it will probably take their 1st, a 2nd and a 4th. Also, I can't see Cleveland unloading the picks to move up to number 1 or the Rams moving so far from the top prospects, but don't be surprised to see Cleveland trade up with either San Diego or Dallas to grab Colt McCoy. Also, watch for Denver trading back up into the 1st round if both Dez Bryant and Rolondo McClain fall in the draft.

 

[Cards Czar]

Wow I never heard of that trade even here in STL. Witherspoon is not even in the top 32.??

 

[kerouac9]

"No one thinks that Derrick Morgan is a stud lineman"? What? He's rated by just about everyone as the #1 DE prospect in the draft.

The Rams signed a good DT in Fred Robbins, they have a good DT in Clifton Ryan and now that Leonard Little is gone they have no DE opposite Chris Long.

The problem is too that it looks like the best DE prospects wil be snatched up in the first round...which would make them have to reach for one at #33.

The extra picks would also give them the flexibility to trade back into the first round for Colt McCoy, whom they apparently liked when he visited and tried out. Or there's a very good chance McCoy could still be on the board at #33.

Apparently not so much, huh, Mitch? 4th edge rusher taken in the draft?

 

[Mitch]

Apparently not so much, huh, Mitch? 4th edge rusher taken in the draft?

I assume you are counting Alualu as an edge rusher, but he's more of an interior rusher.

Going #16 to the Tennessee Titans...who traditonally have drafted great edge players doesn't satisfy you?

 

[kerouac9]

I assume you are counting Alualu as an edge rusher, but he's more of an interior rusher.

Going #16 to the Tennessee Titans...who traditonally have drafted great edge players doesn't satisfy you?

As being the top edge rusher in the draft and a legit Top 6 pick? That was your assertion.