"The Next Great Big Man Other than Amare" in the NBA

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The way Mike Conley sees it, Greg Oden has been robbed of the opportunity to make millions of dollars for at least a year. The way Jim Salmon sees it, that is positively "un-American."
Oden is the 7-foot, 245-pound center from Lawrence North High School in Indianapolis who is projected as "The Next Great Big Man" in the NBA. An honor roll student who averaged 20 points, 9.6 rebounds and 3.7 blocks a game last year, he will be a senior next season.
With the option of jumping to the NBA next year, possibly as the No. 1 overall pick, having been taken away from him by the league's recent collective bargaining agreement, Oden did what many had expected on Wednesday: he made an oral commitment to Ohio State at a press conference at his high school. Mike Conley Jr., his teammate and the son of Conley, Oden's advisor and AAU coach, also will play for coach Thad Matta at Ohio State.

"We have decided that the place to accomplish our future goals was at the Ohio State University," said Oden, who, along with Conley Jr., is scheduled to arrive in New Jersey on Monday for Sonny Vaccaro's annual Reebok ABCD Camp at Fairleigh Dickinson.

Oden, 17, had said all along that he "wanted to go to college," and had narrowed his choices to Ohio State, Indiana, Wake Forest and Michigan. But the option of jumping to the NBA in 2006 remained a very real possibility until the league's new collective bargaining agreement instituted an age floor of 19 for entrance into the league. NBA Commissioner David Stern had long lobbied for a minimum age of 20, and the result was a compromise between the players and the league.

"For a guy that's in Greg's shoes, or that could potentially be in his shoes come this time next year, it just takes away the option (of going pro)," Conley said Tuesday in a phone interview. "If something was to happen in his life next year and he is viewed upon as being as marketable as a LeBron James coming out of high school, it takes away his ability to make $50 to $100 million next year. He doesn't have that option to make that choice."

What exactly is the difference between 19 and 18, anyway, Conley and others have asked.

"I think it's un-American," said Salmon, head of the New Jersey-based Playaz AAU club. "People don't want to hear this, but there are a lot fewer casualties than people think there are as far as kids coming into the league at the age of 18. I'm sure there's some, but this is no remedy. This is not a remedy."

Oden led Lawrence North to its second straight Class 4A championship in March and was chosen national player of the year by USA Today, Gatorade and Parade magazine. He joined James as the only players to be named National High School Player of the Year as juniors.

During Tuesday's NBA Draft, the last to permit the entrance of high school players, Andrew Bogut of Utah was taken No. 1 overall pick by the Milwaukee Bucks. Bogut will receive a guaranteed three-year contract worth in excess of $14 million and his agent, David Bauman, was quoted as saying that Bogut will earn more than $100 million over his career before endorsements.

Later in the draft, the Los Angeles Lakers selected 17-year-old Andrew Bynum of St. Joe's (Metuchen) with the No. 10 pick. Barring some unforeseen change in league rules, Bynum is likely to be remembered as the youngest player ever drafted into the NBA.

Yet players like Oden and fellow ABCD Camp attendee Derrick Caracter of St. Patrick's (Elizabeth) must wait an extra year for the opportunity to play in the NBA. O.J. Mayo, the junior phenom out of Cincinnati, will also have to wait before jumping. Caracter will have to choose between spending a year in college (Rutgers fan are dreaming of a one-year stint in Piscataway), attending a prep school or enrolling in the IMG Academy in Florida.

"Who knows?" Salmon asked rhetorically. "They may go to college and bomb out and then who knows what happens after that? Jason Fraser four years ago was perceived to be a top 15 pick. I don't know if people would still say that now with him coming out of (Villanova). He's had a decent college career but it's been hampered by injuries... .Unfortunately, his career might be on its downside."

Oden's mother, Zoe, works in a hospital and raises Greg and his younger brother by herself. She told The Associated Press that she wasn't happy with the new NBA rule, either.

"I'm teed off because I just don't understand what they're trying to prove or what this will accomplish," she said. "This means that Greg is held back a year. The option has been taken from him."

And what happens if Oden gets hurt at Ohio State next year?

"It's said and done, so there's nothing you can do about it now," Oden told The Indianapolis Star about the new NBA rule. "I'm not sad, but I feel bad for whenever the next LeBron comes along and he has to go to college and something happens, either he gets injured or doesn't live up to expectations."

Zoe Oden has reportedly been looking into insurance coverage for her son since he was a freshman because he regularly takes a physical beating in games, but was told by Lawrence North administrators and coaches that policies were available only to high school seniors.

To appreciate Zoe Oden's concerns, one need only remember the case of Miami running back Willis McGahee, who suffered a horrific knee injury in the national football title game in 2003. McGahee recovered and now plays for the Buffalo Bills, but because his injury was perceived by some to be career-ending at the time, interest in the NCAA insurance program spiked.

On top of all this, Conley is upset that the new collective bargaining agreement decreases the length of guaranteed contracts given to first-round NBA draft picks from three years to two.

"The thing that upset me more was the reduction for the guaranteed rookie contracts," Conley said. "When the league gets in trouble in negotiations, the young kids are the ones who suffer.

"None of it's fair toward the kids."

Despite these concerns, experts say the new collective bargaining agreement is likely to withstand any legal challenge.

"The reason why the NBA's minimum age is and should be immune from our antitrust law is because it was not just one wanted in design by the owners, like those of the champion San Antonio Spurs, but also by the labor union, made up of players like Tim Duncan and his teammates and competitors," Harvard University law professor Paul Weiler, who writes regularly on the subject, wrote in an email. "This brand of labor exemption is perfectly justifiable because the major beneficiaries are the veteran but marginal teammates of Duncan who can all hold onto their jobs and salaries somewhat longer as their eventual replacements like Oden and Mayo get not only a bit older but also somewhat more skilled."

Fair or not, Oden will have another year to think about his next move. But don't be surprised if you hear his name on draft night in 2007.

"As of today he's going to college," Conley said. "(Down the line) if there's an endorsement deal that yields him $60 or 70 million, then you say, 'Greg, let's make a decision.' It may not be the same decision (as the one he made this year), I don't know. But that decision is not available to him now."

Reach Adam Zagoria at (973) 569-7156 or [email protected].
 
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Wait! I'm confused! I thought Amare was the next great big man! :shrug:
 

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greg oden is a beast. i'm excited to see him in college...or maybe the euro league for a year lol
 

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If Greg Oden is such a great basketball player, then why is he going to Ohio State? Maybe if he were a football player that would make sense, but as the top basketball prospect in HS (lol.....and an honor roll student), he should have his choice of the top basketball colleges in the country.......Duke, NC, Arizona, Illinois, etc.
 

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jbeecham said:
If Greg Oden is such a great basketball player, then why is he going to Ohio State? Maybe if he were a football player that would make sense, but as the top basketball prospect in HS (lol.....and an honor roll student), he should have his choice of the top basketball colleges in the country.......Duke, NC, Arizona, Illinois, etc.
Lot's of top coaches have said they are tired of the one and two year projects. They want to build around guys more likely to stay in the program longer! At least that's what they say on talk radio.... ;)
 

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Yuma said:
Lot's of top coaches have said they are tired of the one and two year projects. They want to build around guys more likely to stay in the program longer! At least that's what they say on talk radio.... ;)

He's also from Indiana which might signal he wanted to stay close to home as well. He also probably didn't get recruited that heavily because no one int heir right mind thought he would be going to college.
 

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Don't forget the new graduation requirements...

If this guy goes to college for one year then leaves, regardless of his reason for leaving, it counts against that school under the new rules. Some bigger schools may have to balance the number of "outstanding" prospects they recruit.
 

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"I'm not sad, but I feel bad for whenever the next LeBron comes along and he has to go to college and something happens, either he gets injured or doesn't live up to expectations."

Doesnt live up to expectations. I think that is great. Then you weed out the players who get overhyped out of high school. If they cant dominate in the NCAA, then they would have been benched in the NBA. Benched and maiking millions.

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jbeecham said:
If Greg Oden is such a great basketball player, then why is he going to Ohio State? Maybe if he were a football player that would make sense, but as the top basketball prospect in HS (lol.....and an honor roll student), he should have his choice of the top basketball colleges in the country.......Duke, NC, Arizona, Illinois, etc.


Because he wants to get paid while going to college obviously. :p


In all seriousness, Yuma is probably right. Especially with Oden. Up until a few weeks ago when the new CBA came out, it was a forgone conclussion Oden was going pro. Kind of like Lebron James, who also supposedly would have gone to Ohio State.
 

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JizzHornay said:
Doesnt live up to expectations. I think that is great. Then you weed out the players who get overhyped out of high school. If they cant dominate in the NCAA, then they would have been benched in the NBA. Benched and maiking millions.

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Did anyone else notice that Oden wasn't the one complaining about the new rules? It was these people who stand to make out like bandits when he gets paid that are crying.

"Who knows?" Salmon asked rhetorically. "They may go to college and bomb out and then who knows what happens after that? Jason Fraser four years ago was perceived to be a top 15 pick. I don't know if people would still say that now with him coming out of (Villanova). He's had a decent college career but it's been hampered by injuries... .Unfortunately, his career might be on its downside."

"The thing that upset me more was the reduction for the guaranteed rookie contracts," Conley said. "When the league gets in trouble in negotiations, the young kids are the ones who suffer.

"None of it's fair toward the kids."

Okay, I can see how someone might complain if a player suffers a freak injury in college that negatively affects the rest of his career. I don't want to hear this bitching about people with chronic injuries not getting a fair shot. This guy's complaints are the exact same reason this rule makes sense. These people seem to think it is every good high school player's God-given right to get millions of dollars from the NBA regardless of whether they are really worth anything in the NBA. The shortened guaranteed contracts for rookies do not hurt the players who are worth the contract in the first place.

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My guess is that OSU has promised to buy him a special insurance policy that would cover major injuries.

I went to graduate school at Ohio State and have suffered with many other Ohio fans as the team has fallen on hard times due to some serious rules violations by a previous coach. In spite of this, OSU was one of only two teams to beat Illinois and the other team is the national champion.

In a strange way, Ohio State's situation makes it easier to recruit Oden. They know he is going to be there for just one year, but they don't have as much to lose as some of the other schools that don't want to blow a scholarship on a guy for just one season. The chemistry problems created by having a guy who everyone knows is leaving from the start can hurt. I'm guessing that OSU promised to showcase him and not just make him fit into an existing system.
 

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George O'Brien said:
My guess is that OSU has promised to buy him a special insurance policy that would cover major injuries.

correct me if I'm wrong - but wouldn't that be against NCAA rules? If so - wouldn't you think that a school recently embroiled in controversy with NCAA scandal would stay as far away as possible from probably KILLING their athletic program by taking a risk on a kid they KNOW will only be there for ONE season.

George - you REALLY believe that's what's going on here? Seems pretty far fetched to me.
 
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George O'Brien said:
My guess is that OSU has promised to buy him a special insurance policy that would cover major injuries.
No way would that be allowed by the NCAA. Colleges can't provide services to athletes that aren't available to the rest of the student body.
 

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Renz said:
No way would that be allowed by the NCAA. Colleges can't provide services to athletes that aren't available to the rest of the student body.
Yes, but we are talking about Ohio $tate... Since when have they cared about following the rules... :D
 

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