The Pitch play to Ingram

[AZ Native]

Imagine expecting an NFL QB to make a simple pitch. SMH

 

[Buckybird]

If they can’t execute that play they shouldn’t be in the NFL. The call worked but was executed horribly.

Given the situation, circumstances & time of the game it’s a piss poor play call let alone using a rarely used rookie RB & first time NFL starter at QB imo. At 3rd & 1 the offense most likely has 2 plays to get the 1st given Kliffs history of going on fourth.

Let me ask this. Which playcall has a greater potential for a fumble & possibly a turnover? A QB sneak/straight ahead run or a misdirection then flip/pitch whatever you want to call it? Hmmm. Stupid decision

 

[Buckybird]

Imagine expecting an NFL QB to make a simple pitch. SMH

Jerry as a former college athlete the misdirection flip they tried isn’t all the simple imo in the full speed mode of the NFL. That playcall had a much bigger risk for a potential fumble or turnover than a QB sneak or straight ahead power run. And guess what...

 

[BritCard]

Bad play. Dude plays 3 plays a week and you trust him with the game on the line to catch a pitch from your 3rd string QB, from under center(which isn’t a normal formation for our offense) after he faked a quick hit up the middle to our power back that almost always falls forward for a yard. Kliff being cute and it ultimately cost us another game

Yeah. It's a pitch. You expect anyone to catch a pitch.

He's probably run that play 20x in practice.

 

[Outerlimits]

Yeah. It's a pitch. You expect anyone to catch a pitch.

He's probably run that play 20x in practice.

Agreed. I find fault with Kliff on many things, but this was simply horrendous player execution.

The Bucs are truly an awful team though. To barely beat our 3rd string QB and numerous other backups is pretty laughable.

 

[slanidrac16]

Bad play. Dude plays 3 plays a week and you trust him with the game on the line to catch a pitch from your 3rd string QB, from under center(which isn’t a normal formation for our offense) after he faked a quick hit up the middle to our power back that almost always falls forward for a yard. Kliff being cute and it ultimately cost us another game

This. Every team seems to have two backs that are used throughout the game. Sanders/ Gaines, Elliot/ Pollard, Cook/ Mattison are some examples.
Ingram should have been utilized a whole lot more.

 

[Garthshort]

Thank goodness for that play. Might have caused us from winning a meaningless game, but kept us in the running for a Top Five Pick. Come next April I'll be even more thankful.

 

[Totally_Red]

If Clement was active he should have in for that play Not the rookie.

 

[AZfaninMN]

He would have done a lot of damage with the space he had but our QB and HB cannot do something which is football elementary

It’s still an unnecessary risk on 3rd and 1 with our rookie tailback and 3rd string QB. It’s elementary for teams who run a pro style offense from under center, but not for a team who lines up in shotgun 90% of the time.

 

[AZfaninMN]

Yeah. It's a pitch. You expect anyone to catch a pitch.

He's probably run that play 20x in practice.

It’s a pitch from under center after faking the handoff to the fullback. I’ll bet we haven’t practiced that play 20x with our #1 and #2 QB let alone our #3, who runs the scout team. Context matters in this situation. We didn’t run it with our #1s and experienced vets. We did it with Mcsorely and Ingram. 2 players that weren’t on the active roster week 1.

 

[football karma]

that was a pretty standard NFL play

if you cant trust players to run that - -you dont have much in the playbook

I thought McSorley pitched it hotter than ideal, but still very, very catchable

 

[speedy]

That style of play was my bread and butter in HS (early 90’s). That was a poor pitch by mcsorely. He should have led the runner more. Ingram still needs to catch that ish, but it’s on mcsorely. I’m no fan of kk, but I like that call. Had it been executed properly, it was a sure fire 1st down.

 

[Cardinal88]

I see no problem with the play call or the execution! It kept us in the hunt for better draft status and let’s face it, it we have to rely on McSorely “ever” that means we are out of the hunt anyway.

As passionate as I am about winning, I swallowed my anger for hope.

 

[BritCard]

It’s a pitch from under center after faking the handoff to the fullback. I’ll bet we haven’t practiced that play 20x with our #1 and #2 QB let alone our #3, who runs the scout team. Context matters in this situation. We didn’t run it with our #1s and experienced vets. We did it with Mcsorely and Ingram. 2 players that weren’t on the active roster week 1.

Its a pitch.

These guys have played football for 8-10 years.

I would expect to be able to drop 2 players in there that have never had a practice snap together and expect them to pull off a pitch from under C.

 

[Cardinal88]

Its a pitch.

These guys have played football for 8-10 years.

I would expect to be able to drop 2 players in there that have never had a practice snap together and expect them to pull off a pitch from under C.

So you’re saying they all get paid to be a professional athlete where their career is throwing and catching the ball? Yeah, I agree.

 

[JeffGollin]

A model for high-risk/sloppy execution. Disaster waiting. to happen…that happened.

 

[Russ Smith]

The pitch was too hard and behind him. He could have caught it yes but it's a bad toss and the key on that play is the ball can't be behind the runner because the whole concept of the play is the fake inside and pitch allows the runner to get the edge and get the first down, if he has to slow and reach back for the pitch it kills the play.

 

[AZfaninMN]

Its a pitch.

These guys have played football for 8-10 years.

I would expect to be able to drop 2 players in there that have never had a practice snap together and expect them to pull off a pitch from under C.

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I’ll say it again. For a team that lines up in shotgun 90% of the time, this isn’t a simple play to execute. As you can see McSorely fakes to his right to Conner on the handoff. Then he must flip the ball the opposite direction in the same motion to a running back that is sprinting toward the sweep. This is not an elementary play, it’s not a play we’ve ever ran in a game situation, and even if he catches it there’s 2 defenders waiting to tackle him for a loss. It’s not a direct pitch to the running back that 2 random people could execute at the highest level of competition. It’s a terrible play, worse execution, and in typical Kliff fashion gets cute and it’s costs us.

 

[GatorAZ]

Who cares? They got the job done.

 

[AZfaninMN]

So you’re saying they all get paid to be a professional athlete where their career is throwing and catching the ball? Yeah, I agree.

You get paid to do your job, but if your boss wants to to do something that you’ve never done before and you fail, is it your fault for not knowing how to do it or is it your boss’s fault for putting you in that situation?

 

[Cardinal88]

Let’s not forget all of the other misses by McSorely. D Hop was kind of open a lot. We had chances to win but we’re handcuffed by players who will not be playing in the NFL for much longer.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Kliff deserves a hero for calling such a play with a rookie instead of a vet.

Ingram deserves a hero for dropping it I guess.


Salute to those guys! This tank will not be stopped!

The Cards blitzkrieg to the top draft pick will not fail!! Lol ugh what a shiatty yr in az sports

Suns playing like crap.now to I have a big az fan sport headache tod

 

[Cardinal88]

You get paid to do your job, but if your boss wants to to do something that you’ve never done before and you fail, is it your fault for not knowing how to do it or is it your boss’s fault for putting you in that situation?

To say they have “never” done this before a major stretch. I’d be willing to wager, they’ve practiced this many times over and it is in the arsenal of every high school football playbook I’ve seen.

Let’s just all agree it was not executed top to bottom. Play shouldn’t have been called but when it was, players need to execute.

After watching replays, I’m not sure they would have gained the first down and the right play was the dive by Conner.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It’s a pitch from under center after faking the handoff to the fullback. I’ll bet we haven’t practiced that play 20x with our #1 and #2 QB let alone our #3, who runs the scout team. Context matters in this situation. We didn’t run it with our #1s and experienced vets. We did it with Mcsorely and Ingram. 2 players that weren’t on the active roster week 1.

I have to agree. How many pitch plays can anyone recall over kliff’s tenure? While it’s a staple of pee wee to pop Warner to high school to college and most pro play, I can honestly state it’s not something we see frequently with the cardinals. And it is a timing play, so not just any two players can just step into the play and run it seemlessly without reps with each other.

The timing was off as mcsorely threw it to ingrams back shoulder. So that’s on mcsorely. But also to consider is running a play wide on a fast defense on 3rd and less than a yard. That’s on kliff. And it’s stupid.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Its a pitch.

These guys have played football for 8-10 years.

I would expect to be able to drop 2 players in there that have never had a practice snap together and expect them to pull off a pitch from under C.

This evidences your lack of first person experience playing football.

My freshman year in college our offense averaged 250+ yards rushing. You guessed it, wishbone. Pitching was a staple of the offense. Late season QB injury resulted in a swap of QBs. Backup was better than starter. What happened? Ball ended up on the carpet repeatedly on tosses. Reps and familiarity matter.