The trade we need to make this offseason

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The Atlanta pick for... Ron Artest. The Kings are desperate to get rid of Artest, and he is, by my estimation, the best perimeter defender in the league. Him and Bell would be absolutely vicious together, and Artest fills a big need at the three. If we want to get tougher, then Artest is the clear answer.
 

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The Atlanta pick for... Ron Artest. The Kings are desperate to get rid of Artest, and he is, by my estimation, the best perimeter defender in the league. Him and Bell would be absolutely vicious together, and Artest fills a big need at the three. If we want to get tougher, then Artest is the clear answer.

What? The pick that might be #4 through #6? Really?
 

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I would agree. If the Suns don't come back and win this series, I would love to take a chance on Artest at a discount like this.
 

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Right now you could get him for the 29th pick and any player with his same salary!

But he is not coming here, it sounds like they will have to take whatever someone wants to give them for him.
 
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Ron Artest's trade value isn't worth the 29th pick and marcus banks right now

Artest is the perfect fit in our system. Excellent D, can shoot decently, and is capable of creating his own shot. We have a shot to get a great player at a severly discounted price. If we want to win a championship we have to be able to take some risks. Artest/Marion/Bell/Thomas would make us one of the better defensive teams in the NBA, and we won't have to dump either Amare or Marion. What's the problem?
 

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The 4th pick in this year's draft is not exactly a "severely discounted price" He's a one year player, anything more will kill a team.
 

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I gotta tell you, that actually makes sense to me - maybe not the #4 pick, but I'd throw both first rounders and Boris out there for Ron if we don't win tonight. Boris is basically useless IMO anyway and a salary cap drag for years on end and I assume we're not going to keep both late first rounders.

I think on a really good team, with a leader like Nash, Artest could be EXACTLY what this team needs. He can create his own shot, he can hit the three and he's is a DEFENSIVE BEAST AND he's a loose canon - which is both a good and bad thing.

Bottom line - a lineup of:

Nash
Bell
Artest
Marion
Amare

if playing together WOULD KILL everyone and people would literally be afraid to play us. Bell and Artest could lockdown Manu/Parker and we'd be able to have 3 3 point shooters spread around the court on o. Defensively and rebounding we'd be MUCH better as well.

that being said, it's a HUGE risk, but if we don't win this year, and we're gonna try to win next year, we're likely going to have to make a risky move one way or another. Thismove is so crazy is mught just work.
 

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Some of you are forgetting that Artest threatens to retire every other month. His heart just isn't in it.
 

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Marcus Banks, James Jones and a pick? Kurt Thomas and a pick?

The Sacramento Bee thinks Artest can be had for not much:

Trading Artest won't be easy
With teams afraid of the forward, the Kings might have to dump him for little in return.
By Scott Howard-Cooper - Bee Staff Writer
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, May 13, 2007
Story appeared in SPORTS section, Page C1

Begin by accepting that there will be no such thing as fair value in return. Low-ball offers will be common, if offers drip in at all. Most calls will be initiated rather than taken.

Just when the Kings thought living with Ron Artest was challenge enough, now comes the real difficulty, trying to get away from him, or at least get away from him without having to mow lawns and take out the trash for a month for whoever takes him off their hands.

Trading Artest has become a priority, if not the priority, within a Kings front office eager to change the roster and, in this case in particular, the culture of the splintered locker room. What basketball president Geoff Petrie and his famed patience will find, as he surely knows, is a mix of window shoppers and a few potentially serious buyers, but also the chance that moving forward will require dumping a talented starting small forward for a minimal return.

"It's getting to the point where you can hope to get some teams that are desperate that are not opposed to taking on that kind of player," said one executive, not wanting to be identified since he was talking about another team's player, yet noting that his team is not interested in Artest.

Meaning there is a likelihood that the Kings will have to swallow hard and take a fire-sale deal to move Artest.

"I would think they would be significant," the executive said of those chances.

There should be opportunities, though. Working in the Kings' favor, Artest is due to make $7.4 million in 2007-08, with the ability to declare himself a free agent afterward, and the same amount in 2008-09 -- an agreeable contract for someone who is 27 and three seasons removed from being named Defensive Player of the Year. He is young and talented, and he makes less than market value for a player with such a résumé.

Working against the Kings: He's Ron Artest.

It has usually been a buyer's market with Artest, only more so now after a season in which he frustrated teammates with bad decisions as a playmaker and a monopolization of the ball. Off the court, he pleaded no contest in May to a misdemeanor charge of inflicting corporal injury on his spouse and received additional negative coverage nationally after being cited in April for not feeding his dog, although no charges were filed in that case.

He has swung all the way back to getting in the way of his own potential greatness, seemingly wasting the good will that had been built from the second half of 2005-06, when he was traded from Indiana for Peja Stojakovic and helped spark the Kings into the playoffs. Once the list of transgressions expanded to include the legal system, organizations that might have had an interest in trying to get him on the cheap had the concern of selling their fan base on a player who had been sentenced to a work release program, 100 hours of community service and anger management courses for striking his wife.

Said a member of one front office -- requesting anonymity since he was criticizing a player not on his team -- when asked whether many teams will be willing to take on Artest and his reputation: "I just can't see it happening. I don't see how. Especially not now."

Good thing for the Kings other teams have their own problems to address. Los Angeles Lakers

Going pedal to the metal, after failing to reach the second round or the playoffs at all for the third time in as many years, isn't just about adding a star to ride shotgun to Kobe Bryant. While that is the obvious part of it, putting them in the middle of any discussion for Kevin Garnett or Jermaine O'Neal, the Lakers on the whole are pushing hard to win now and deal with potential complications later.

The Lakers could offer Kwame Brown in a match of similar salaries. The Kings would inherit the frustration of an enigmatic player unable to grasp his considerable potential, but also the benefit of being able to clear cap space a year earlier than with Artest if Brown did not work out. And if Brown did work out, they would have the inside track on re-signing a talented young center.

The Lakers also could offer Luke Walton in a sign-and-trade, packaged with another, lesser salary (Sasha Vujacic, Maurice Evans, Brian Cook). Artest has superior skills. But Walton has become a good complementary weapon, a smart player who moves the ball, and plugs in to the same spot at small forward. Los Angeles Clippers

Artest for Corey Maggette had been discussed last season. But the serious knee injury that could keep point guard Shaun Livingston out all 2007-08 means a greater likelihood of the Clippers pursuing Mike Bibby. Miami Heat

Much like the Lakers, the Heat has a very strong coach, Pat Riley, and a ticking clock. Miami needs to make something happen before it's Dwyane Wade against the world.

What the Heat does not have is attractive trade pieces. Antoine Walker has four seasons left on a bad contract, although the final two are believed to be non-guaranteed and tied to performance. Jason Williams has one season remaining at a salary similar to Artest's, making Williams moveable. Jason Kapono, after leading the league in three-point percentage, is a free agent and can be used in a sign-and-trade and perhaps packaged with the expiring contract of Michael Doleac or Dorell Wright to make the money match as required.

It all leaves the Kings bargaining from a position of weakness. They have something just in that, though.

The chance to bargain at all.
 

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Yes Artest may fit this system, however you are all forgetting why he has failed in Sacramento, TEAM CONCEPT. He does NOT play team ball. That's why the Kings had such a bad year this year. Artest is a ball hog and wants the team run through him. With Bibby, Miller and Martin, Artest was pretty much left in the cold on that aspect. If he is not the focal point of a team, i.e. Kobe, then the team suffers and he pouts and throws fits. Even though Nash is a great person on and off the floor, as well as some of the other Suns players, I don't think any of them could put him in his place on this team. PERIOD!!!
 
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Marcus Banks, James Jones and a pick? Kurt Thomas and a pick?

The Sacramento Bee thinks Artest can be had for not much:

Yeah, I guess I totally overrated Artest's trade value. If we could get him for James Jones and Marcus Banks, that would be absolutely amazing. Plus, there's almost no risk. Look at what Golden State did with Stephen Jackson this year, they gambled and won.

I think that Raja, Nash, and Kurt could keep Artest in check. We have some pretty good locker room guys who are experienced, and if he we could reinvigorate him by giving him a chance to win a title.

Plus we'd finally have the intimidation factor. Opposing players would absolutely dread the Suns.
 

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He did also have a terrible coach, with not a lot of quality players around him. There's no doubt he's a headcase, but he only has 2 years left on the contract, with the last being a player-option. There's no way i'd want to give up the 4th pick for him, but a late first round and someone like Banks, absolutely. I know it's not a fair deal for Sacramento, but hell they're desperate enough that they might take it.
 

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I want no part of Artest on this team. He fails whereever he goes.
 

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Artest isn't worth the #4. But maybe Diaw mmm.

Trade Marion, Thomas and #4 for KG and Diaw for Artest.

KG
Amare
Artest
Bell
Nash
 

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Artest isn't worth the #4. But maybe Diaw mmm.

Trade Marion, Thomas and #4 for KG and Diaw for Artest.

KG
Amare
Artest
Bell
Nash

That lineup is just ridiculous. It's essentially an all-star lineup minus Bell. If they could form any sort of chemistry Phoenix would win 70 games.
 

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A couple of things:

- I would almost do that deal just to keep him off the Lakers. OTOH, I can't see the Kings doing the Lakers any favors, no matter the cost. They weren't about to give Bibby to the Lakers. Wouldn't even talk turkey from what I heard.

- Artest is a great chemistry guy for about 4 mos. Then the whole world unravels around him. It's astonishing.

- I cringe thinking about Artest, Marion, and Stoudemire in the same locker room. In the playoffs, however, Artest is exactly the guy you want. You just hope you can survive a regular season with him.

- Normally I would say the "saintly" Suns would never think of adding Artest. But with the Colangelos gone, the character issue is not nearly as big an issue. I can't say that's a good thing, but at least they don't have 25 percent of the NBA black balled because of something they've done off the court.
 

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If you made a deal with James Jones and Banks for Artest, you'd save the last two years of the Banks deal. Jones is a nice player, but hardly irreplaceable. The deal would save the Suns over $9 in years 2009/10 and 2010/11. It probably makes some sense as a salary dump.

However, I can't see him being able to play. Everything we keep hearing is that the Suns lockerroom is a bit tense at times.
 

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Marion, JR and #29 for Artest, Kenny Thomas and their 1st rounder.
 

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Artest isn't worth the #4. But maybe Diaw mmm.

Trade Marion, Thomas and #4 for KG and Diaw for Artest.

KG
Amare
Artest
Bell
Nash

Everybody here would love that trade for KG, but there is in a snowballs chance in hell Minnesota would make it. I mean get realistic. Why don't you just see if you can slip banks and Piatkowski in there as well?

Joe
 

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Whoa.. I think some of you are forgetting that Ron Artest is crazy.

Why would we want this cancer on our team? So he can take half the season off to promote his new album? So we can have the drama of dealing with his domestic issues?

Players are more than how they look on paper, chemistry is important. I don't want that crazy fool anywhere near Amare and Leandro.
 

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