There is a "Half Full" Argument

[JeffGollin]

I'm gonna need help with this (to avoid looking like a total fool - partial I can live with).

Correct me if I'm wrong. When Team A signs a high or medium-tendered RFA from Team B, Team B gets a compensatory draft pick. But it doesn't get the pick from Team A, it gets it when the League plays Santa Claus and hands these picks out - usually at the bottom of Round 3 or later. This would mean that Team A could raid Team B and not surrender any draft picks.

If this is so - the Cards could be rope-a-doping. i.e. letting all the other NFL teams blow their cap-wad on UFA's. Graves would wait til later in the Spring and then swoop down with generous offers to a bunch of RFA's.

It would be hard for the other teams to match the Cardinals' offers because they'd all be tapped out - they'd have to cut other players in order to match the Cards.

I got this thought thinking about why Bill Parcells has been so quiet. The Cowboys need a QB. But the Pukes haven't been serious players in free agency since the early in the offseason (when Parcells supposedly was eyeballing Jake). Knowing how Parcells operates, raiding the RFA market later would be just his style.

Maybe it's Graves' style too.

Maybe not. But - if I'm right about the supplemental picks - maybe the cup ain't so empty after all.

 

[Cardinal Bob]

The draft pick on a tendered RFA comes from the team that signs him (Team A in your scenario) not from the league.

 

[Chopper0080]

Well it's not really like that exactly.

Team A decides to tender an offer to their own RFA. The level of this tender (price tag) determines what compensation Team A will receiver if someone signs their man.

So, when Team B jumps all over Team A's RFA, if Team A refuses to match their offer, Team B gets the player, but Team A gets Team B's draft pick according to Team A's tender level.

 

[AntSports Steve]

Good idea, but incorrect. Team A (the team that signed the players) must give up the cooresponding pick.

No compensatory picks are involved. So, the Falcons gave up the 13th pick in the draft. Now, if the Falcons were smarter, they would have traded down for cheap and given the Bills a lower draft pick instead of the 13th.

Attention : Salary Capoligst looking for work. Send all job offers to [email protected]. For the planning (not contracts) I think I can do a much better job than Graves.

 

[jf-08]

Even though I wish this was what is happening, I think realistically, that the FA that we brought in just don't want to play here.

The offers for KStew and Colvin, from what I have read here, have been the best offers so far. But no one wants to play for a perrenial loser who may be losing their coach this year. If new coaching staff come in , there is a chance of being cut. - Juercki alluded to this.

I think this is going to be a very long season for the team

 

[Cardinal Bob]

Originally posted by AntSports Steve
Good idea, but incorrect. Team A (the team that signed the players) must give up the cooresponding pick.

No compensatory picks are involved. So, the Falcons gave up the 13th pick in the draft. Now, if the Falcons were smarter, they would have traded down for cheap and given the Bills a lower draft pick instead of the 13th.

Attention : Salary Capoligst looking for work. Send all job offers to [email protected]. For the planning (not contracts) I think I can do a much better job than Graves.

The Falcons gave the Bills the #23 pick in the draft for Price. That was the negotiated compensation (instead of the two #1 picks that a franchise player would command).

If the Jets decline to match the offer sheet the Redskins signed Coles to, the Skins give the Jets the #13 pick in this year's draft. In essence, the Skins basically drafted Coles at #13 and have him signed already...assuming the Jets don't match, which I think they will.

 

[Red Air Force]

Originally posted by Cardinal Bob

If the Jets decline to match the offer sheet the Redskins signed Coles to, the Skins give the Jets the #13 pick in this year's draft. In essence, the Skins basically drafted Coles at #13 and have him signed already...assuming the Jets don't match, which I think they will.

Except at a MUCH higher salary than the #13 pick will be signed for.

 

[Cardinal Bob]

Originally posted by CaliforniaCard
Except at a MUCH higher salary than the #13 pick will be signed for.

Absolutely!

 

[FJM]

I am going to back off and give Graves the benefit of the doubt.
They had to know letting both Jake and David go would have an effect on free agents wanting to come here. Obviously Graves has a plan to overcome this, but I must say it won't be easy waiting for him to spring it.

 

[AZ1766]

Do teams get compensatory picks for losing free agents... Boston and Plummer???
If os at what level will the Cards get them???

 

[RedStorm]

Obviously Graves has a plan to overcome

The word obvious is defined as follows...

ob·vi·ous ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bv-s)[

Easily perceived or understood; quite apparent. See Synonyms at apparent.
Easily seen through because of a lack of subtlety; transparent: an obvious political ploy.
Archaic. Standing in the way or in front.

Actually, you probably mean that you assume he has a plan because he should have one for a man in his position. However, I would not say it is obvious because I doubt anyone can perceive or understand his moves to date. My interpetation of his moves is that he is trying to save money.

 

[FJM]

Originally posted by RedStorm
The word obvious is defined as follows...



Actually, you probably mean that you assume he has a plan because he should have one for a man in his position. However, I would not say it is obvious because I doubt anyone can perceive or understand his moves to date. My interpetation of his moves is that he is trying to save money.

Picky, Picky, Picky.

 

[RedStorm]

Sorry...FJM....did not mean to offend you. Sorry if I did.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by AntSports Steve
Good idea, but incorrect. Team A (the team that signed the players) must give up the cooresponding pick.

No compensatory picks are involved. So, the Falcons gave up the 13th pick in the draft. Now, if the Falcons were smarter, they would have traded down for cheap and given the Bills a lower draft pick instead of the 13th.

Attention : Salary Capoligst looking for work. Send all job offers to [email protected]. For the planning (not contracts) I think I can do a much better job than Graves.

I'm beginning to think you could have too Steve. Curious how would you have handled Boston, tag and trade?

I stuck by Graves even after we lost Boston but it's Monday and there's still no clear sign that we're going to get any of the players we really want, I'm starting to panic.

 

[Tangodnzr]

What may be obvious to some, may be totally incomprehisble to a blind man.

 

[FJM]

Originally posted by RedStorm
Sorry...FJM....did not mean to offend you. Sorry if I did.

Nah, I was just "funnin."

 

[RedStorm]

Originally posted by FJM
Nah, I was just "funnin."

Cool

 

[john h]

Originally posted by Chopper0080
Well it's not really like that exactly.

Team A decides to tender an offer to their own RFA. The level of this tender (price tag) determines what compensation Team A will receiver if someone signs their man.

So, when Team B jumps all over Team A's RFA, if Team A refuses to match their offer, Team B gets the player, but Team A gets Team B's draft pick according to Team A's tender level.

Jeff you are the eternal half full guy but recently you are turning that glass upside down. It takes a real stretch to find any positives in our current situation. I cannot find even one that makes any sense. I am ready to sign Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith.