This will make some happy....

[clif]

..now will it be reality.... HA I doubt it but I thought I would post it. If there was any chance that Vince starts to slide he won't get far when teams in the later part of the first start burning up the trade phone lines.

Per sportingnews.com

(1)Texans Reggie Bush* RB USC
This might be the last hurrah for GM Charlie Casserly. The Texans are happy with RB Domanick Davis, so expect Casserly to explore all options to gain extra picks and fill his team's many needs. But if Houston can't find a trading partner, Bush will be the pick. The offense would instantly become more dynamic by using Bush in multiple roles to complement Davis as the inside power runner.

(2)Saints Matt Leinart QB USC
New Saints head coach Sean Payton coached Drew Bledsoe and Vinny Testaverde, both big pocket passers, in Dallas. Leinart is both of those things and more. Now that the coaching situation is settled, all signs are that Leinart will be the pick here and that he'll be thrilled to be the franchise guy.

(3)Titans D'Brickashaw Ferguson T Va.
Ferguson exceeded high expectations at the Senior Bowl. Not only is he the best tackle in the draft, but some think he's also the best player available. Tennessee head coach Jeff Fisher and his staff coached Ferguson at the Senior Bowl; all indications are that QB Steve McNair will be back and will feel even better knowing that Ferguson will be protecting his blind side.

(4)Jets A.J. Hawk OLB Ohio St.
The Jets have several needs, but Hawk will be the best remaining player on the board here. He'll help anchor the linebackers unit for new head coach Eric Mangini, a disciple of Bill Belichick and the 3-4 defense.

(5)Packers Jimmy Williams CB Va. Tech
The Packers' defense overachieved at the end of last season, but the team's most glaring weakness is in the secondary -- especially at cornerback, where Al Harris needs help. Williams has the talent and experience to start immediately.

(6)Raiders Mario Williams* DE NC State
Because of Mathias Kiwanuka's struggles at the Senior Bowl, Williams has jumped to the top of the DE list for most teams. He has the power and speed to be a dominant speed rusher and a solid two-way end opposite pass rush specialist Derrick Burgess. (Pick subject to coin flip.)7

(7)49ers Chad Greenway OLB Iowa
Head coach Mike Nolan is defensive-minded and will continue to run a 3-4 scheme, but three of his four starting linebackers are eligible free agents. Greenway can play either outside position or weakside inside linebacker, and his playmaking ability would be welcomed by a defense struggled mightily last year. (Pick subject to coin flip.)

(8) Bills Haloti Ngata* DT Oregon
The Bills have been weak up the middle since Pat Williams left, and Sam Adams has struggled to remain healthy and stay out of the doghouse. The team needs a dominant run stuffer to protect its athletic linebackers and take some pressure off its pass-rushing defensive ends.

(9)Lions Michael Huff S Texas
New head coach Rod Marinelli will bring a defensive mentality and an attacking scheme to Detroit. The Lions have talent on defense but need a leader in the secondary to give them some flexibility and to pull together a disjointed unit.

(10)Cardinals Vince Young* QB Texas
After Young slips past the Titans at No. 3, each team's QB needs will be filled until he falls into the Cardinals' lap here. Head coach Dennis Green would be thrilled at the prospect of developing the next Daunte Culpepper to team with the Cardinals' young, playmaking wide receivers.

(11)Rams

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Vernon Davis* TE Maryland
(12)Browns DeMeco Ryans OLB Alabama
(13)Ravens

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LenDale White* RB USC
(14)Eagles Mathias Kiwanuka DE Boston Coll.
(15)Falcons Tye Hill CB Clemson
(16)Dolphins Jay Cutler QB Vandy
(17)Vikings

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Laurence Maroney* RB Minnesota
(18)Cowboys Santonio Holmes* WR Ohio St.
(19)Chargers Max Jean-Gilles G Georgia
(20)Chiefs Chad Jackson* WR Florida
(21)Patriots

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DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis
(22)Broncos Tamba Hali DE Penn State
(23)Buccaneers

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Winston Justice* T USC
(24)Bengals Nick Mangold C Ohio St.
(25)Giants Ashton Youboty* CB Ohio St.
(26)Bears

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Leonard Pope* TE Georgia
(27)Panthers

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Marcus McNeill T Auburn
(28)Jaguars D'Qwell Jackson ILB Maryland
(29)Broncos Darnell Bing* S USC
(30)Colts Thomas Howard OLB UTEP
(31)Steelers Ko Simpson* S S.
(32)Seahawks Orien Harris DT Miami (FL)

 

[john h]

Young

Listening to Rome at the Dome in Detroit today he had some sport gurus that say the owner of the Houston team will override any one in his organization and draft Young #1. The Houston fans want him and the owner wants him so I tend to believe these guys I heard today.

 

[Mrh182]

Rome = Fantastic.

 

[jstadvl]

Don't think he's a good pick at #10. Not for us.

 

[Espo]

I dont think he would get past the lions.

 

[AntSports Steve]

Vince Young is too much of a risk for the Cards. If you pick him and end up wrong, you get fired. TE V. Davis, RB L. White, LB C. Greenway, or S M. Huff are much safer picks for the Cards.

If Young does drop, I would rather trade down with someone who wants him as long as the price is right.

 

[Redsz]

Don't think he's a good pick at #10. Not for us.

Care to explain, J?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It wouldn't make me happy . There are just too may things for him to learn at the pro level. How to throw, how to read defenses, how to take a snap under center to name a few. He's not going to get by on athletic ability alone in the NFL.

 

[Duckjake]

Vince Young is too much of a risk for the Cards. If you pick him and end up wrong, you get fired. TE V. Davis, RB L. White, LB C. Greenway, or S M. Huff are much safer picks for the Cards.

If Young does drop, I would rather trade down with someone who wants him as long as the price is right.

I disagree. If there were ever a year when the Cards could gamble on someone in the first round it is 2006. For the first time in years we have no glaring holes that need to be filled with a first round player. All you have to do is look at all the different players that are being discussed as our possible first round selection to see that we really can draft BPA because we have no desperate needs.

Most of the problems that resulted in last year's 5-11 season were team problems not individual ones like in years past where the team was extremely weak at certain positions. Like in 2003 where we HAD to have WR's. Or 2000 where we only had one "injury prone" RB. Or 2002 where we had an awful defensive line.

Who's out there worth a #10 pick that will come in and immediatley improve our redzone offense? Our special teams play? Our defense on opening drives of each half? Reduce our penalties? Improve the cohesiveness of the offensive line? Keep guys off the IR?

I really believe that the Cardinals could go into this season with the same guys that were supposed to start the 2005 season and have the talent on the field to go 11-5.

Is our guy Vince Young? Who knows? But it is great for once to have a choice of any number of guys at several different positions in the first round.

 

[seesred]

I agree with Duck on this one. There are six picks after number one, plus free agents that will be available for the right money. There is a draw to us for players that hasn't happened in a long time.

#1 passing offense
#8 Defense
#8 Offense
Beautifull new stadium
Living in Arziona

And we did this with a constante changing o-line due to injuries which prevented any chance of a running game to get going. 15 players on the IRL.
Including many key starters. Berry, Rolle , Davis etc. So if Young Would fall(I don't think he will) or another player that is too good to pass up but not a big need player, as in BPA then grab him.

GBR
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[vinnymac]

i don't follow college football like i use to. i simply don't have the time any longer. what i do know is that vince young isn't the answer for the cardinals. the cardinals biggest need is te and offensive & defensive line. that is what the cardinals should address in free angentcy and in the draft. i believe warner will be signed in the next month or so.

 

[Billy Flynt]

God no, please...

 

[Pariah]

Living in Arziona

I don't mean to kick up any dirt, but this isn't a universal positive. Yeah, it's better than Green Bay in many ways, but it's not better than half the teams in the NFL, IMO.

 

[Duckjake]

I don't mean to kick up any dirt, but this isn't a universal positive. Yeah, it's better than Green Bay in many ways, but it's not better than half the teams in the NFL, IMO.

One thing you have to add to the attraction of Arizona is that I believe there is a top training center there that many NFL players use.

Correct me if I'm wrong on this but I'm fairly sure I've heard several interviews where a guy was in Arizona working with these people.

 

[Tony W]

It wouldn't make me happy . There are just too may things for him to learn at the pro level. How to throw, how to read defenses, how to take a snap under center to name a few. He's not going to get by on athletic ability alone in the NFL.

Isn't that what Mike Vick gets by on?

 

[jstadvl]

Sorry Redz

it took me a bit.
We sign Warner, purely a pocket passer. He won't, other than probably reads, be able to mentor Young.
We already have two unknowns behind Warner. One is purely a pocket passer.
(No jumping down my throat on that one. lol)
He won't come in and make an immediate impact. With our needs, our first pick has to e an immediate impact player. imo.
I'm not dissin him at all. It's obvious he has great skill and potential. But to use that we come to a point again where we change our whole offenseive philosophy. A mobile line for a mobile QB.
Anyway, that's kind of my line of reasoning.. Also. our glaring needs elsewhere.

 

[JeffGollin]

Vince Young is too much of a risk for the Cards. If you pick him and end up wrong, you get fired.
Actually, if you pick him and end up wrong, you'd wind up with a terrific receiver, RB or safety.

Not that this would be particularly cool, but it would serve to cover our downside more than a little.

From a fan's standpoint I think Young is the real deal, a fan exciter and a franchise-maker. But the call on Vince has to come from guys who are experienced and really good at evaluating young QB's.

Finally, when you consider "risk", you could make an equally good case that not stepping up to the plate and, instead, passing up a franchise QB (like we did Leftwich or Roethlsberger) is equally if not more risky and detrimental to a franchise.

 

[Pariah]

passing up a franchise QB (like we did Leftwich or Roethlsberger) is equally if not more risky and detrimental to a franchise.

Amen, brotha.

Sometimes the worst mistake you can make is being so afraid of making a mistake that you're paralyzed--inaction is just as much of a sin as the wrong act, IMO.

 

[Yuma]

I still am thinking the Cardinals pick up one of the top OT in the draft and it would be better than getting Young. I guess, what do I know?

 

[Duckjake]

it took me a bit.
We sign Warner, purely a pocket passer. He won't, other than probably reads, be able to mentor Young.
We already have two unknowns behind Warner. One is purely a pocket passer.
(No jumping down my throat on that one. lol)
He won't come in and make an immediate impact. With our needs, our first pick has to e an immediate impact player. imo.
I'm not dissin him at all. It's obvious he has great skill and potential. But to use that we come to a point again where we change our whole offenseive philosophy. A mobile line for a mobile QB.
Anyway, that's kind of my line of reasoning.. Also. our glaring needs elsewhere.

Dvl, I just don't think we have glaring needs anywhere. You can always improve but I don't think that there is any position on the team where we MUST have an immediate impact player.

That doesn't mean we don't want to get guys like that just that we can draft future impact players like the top NFL teams do.

Things we need to look at:

DE-Berry is getting older so we need to groom a replacement. But if we don't draft a DE this year no harm.
NT-Davis is also getting toward the end of his NFL career and we can really use another wide body at the NT but again not going to kill us if we don't get one.
UT-Dockett
DE-Okeafor
LB-No harm to the team if we don't get one.
CB-Green,Rolle,Macklin...best 3 we have had in years
S-Wilson,Griffin-we could use another one but again not critical that we get one

LT-Davis, no body in this draft that can realistically take his spot
LG-? Probably the number one "need" but probably better solved in FA
C- Step,Leckey-A FA maybe, but not somebody in round one
RG-Brown not going to replace him with another rookie are we?
RT-Ross, we just signed him to a big contract.
TE-Bergen,Edwards again won't kill us if we don't get a guy here
WR-Boldin,Fitz,Johnson,McCoy-we're set for years
RB-Arrington,Shipp is this really a glaring need?
FB-Femi, Hdgins,not a glaring need at all
QB-Warner,Navarre,Davey-going to need someone eventually but no rookie is going to come in and start right away.
K-Rackers
P-Player

So looking at that list where is the immediate impact top ten first round guy going to play?

Nice problem to have.

 

[HookemCards]

Dvl, I just don't think we have glaring needs anywhere. You can always improve but I don't think that there is any position on the team where we MUST have an immediate impact player.

That doesn't mean we don't want to get guys like that just that we can draft future impact players like the top NFL teams do.

Things we need to look at:

DE-Berry is getting older so we need to groom a replacement. But if we don't draft a DE this year no harm.
NT-Davis is also getting toward the end of his NFL career and we can really use another wide body at the NT but again not going to kill us if we don't get one.
UT-Dockett
DE-Okeafor
LB-No harm to the team if we don't get one.
CB-Green,Rolle,Macklin...best 3 we have had in years
S-Wilson,Griffin-we could use another one but again not critical that we get one

LT-Davis, no body in this draft that can realistically take his spot
LG-? Probably the number one "need" but probably better solved in FA
C- Step,Leckey-A FA maybe, but not somebody in round one
RG-Brown not going to replace him with another rookie are we?
RT-Ross, we just signed him to a big contract.
TE-Bergen,Edwards again won't kill us if we don't get a guy here
WR-Boldin,Fitz,Johnson,McCoy-we're set for years
RB-Arrington,Shipp is this really a glaring need?
FB-Femi, Hdgins,not a glaring need at all
QB-Warner,Navarre,Davey-going to need someone eventually but no rookie is going to come in and start right away.
K-Rackers
P-Player

So looking at that list where is the immediate impact top ten first round guy going to play?

Nice problem to have.

Not to mention the fact that our really pressing "needs" are areas this draft is very strong in. OL (there will be some really good ones in the 2nd and 3rd rounds), DT (with the exception of Ngata most of the better ones in the draft will be available in the 2nd, i.e. Watson), TE (lots of good TEs in this draft, the top 3 will probably be 1st rounders, but there is good depth there), S (only the elite safeties are 1st or 2nd rounders, the very good to average usually come off the board starting in the 3rd).

 

[football karma]

So looking at that list where is the immediate impact top ten first round guy going to play?

The Cards were 5-11.

This team was absolutely dead last in running the football. It was middle of the pack in stopping the run.

Yes I do think that there are several positions where a top ten guy can play and improve the team RB, OL, LB and DT.

 

[Dr. Jones]

The Jets, Raiders, & Lions would snatch him up in a heartbeat.... The Bills might also.

We have no shot at 10.

 

[Pariah]

NT-Davis is also getting toward the end of his NFL career and we can really use another wide body at the NT but again not going to kill us if we don't get one.
LB-No harm to the team if we don't get one.
S-Wilson,Griffin-we could use another one but again not critical that we get one
LG-? Probably the number one "need" but probably better solved in FA
RT-Ross, we just signed him to a big contract.
RB-Arrington,Shipp is this really a glaring need?

So looking at that list where is the immediate impact top ten first round guy going to play?

Nice problem to have.

In your quote I've isolated the positions in which I could concievably see a rookie starting.

RB--Yes, it really is a glaring need, IMO.
RT--Ross is better than we on the board give him credit for, IMO, but I also think we might take a T in the first 2 rounds and that guy could probably unseat him.
LG--I think it's almost a slam-dunk that we'll have a new face playing LG one way or another. 50/50 that it's a rookie.
FS--Griffith was okay, but a day one pick might be able to replace him.
LB--For the last 2 seasons Green has seemed to have been unhappy with our LB corps going into the year. I haven't seen a big upgrade since Dansby.
NT--I like Davis. He could easily be replaced, though.


JMHO

 

[duckfallas]

No way will Green take a QB project with his job on the line. The only way I could see this is if he planned to use Young like Hines Ward. I think Young would make a great multi-purpose player.