Thomas very willing to stick around

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http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=65040

Thomas very willing to stick around
By Jerry Brown, Tribune
May 8, 2006

He saved the Suns in Game 1 against the Lakers with 25 points and 13 rebounds. He rescued them again in Game 6 with another double-double (22 points, 10 rebounds) and a last-second shot to force overtime and extend the series.

Where the Suns would be without Tim Thomas is obvious — the offseason would have began four days ago. But as the Suns open their series with the Clippers tonight, the question of where Thomas will be once the postseason ends is far from cut-and-dried.

Thomas made $14 million in the final year of a six-year, $67 million deal, although less than $400,000 of that came out of Phoenix’s pocket after picking him up in March as a free agent. With Amaré Stoudemire and Kurt Thomas injured, playing time and scoring opportunities have been plentiful.

But when that duo returns, the Suns will have four interior players (along with Boris Diaw and Shawn Marion) and the team has already made clear its resistance to exceed the salary cap and flirt with the bottom line. A team source said the Suns will likely break even now that the team has reached the second round, the scenario for which the budget was based.

And Thomas’ production with the Suns has surely attracted the interest of teams in need of size and shooting and with money to spend.

Thomas, however, wants to make one thing clear: Outside of the heat, he loves everything about being a Phoenix Sun — and he’s willing to make the numbers work to stay if he’s wanted.

“I don’t need money. I’ve already seen over $100 million. I’m not thinking past that right now, but my mind is fixed on doing whatever it takes to stay here,” Thomas said. “I don’t need to be a starter or a 20-point scorer or all that. I need to be a winner. It’s foremost in my mind, and I think this team is an elite team with a great future ahead of it.

“This style is great; it’s like playing in a video game. Just imagine Kurt, Stat (Stoudemire), Shawn, Boris, Raja (Bell), Steve (Nash) all together . . . a coach can do so many things, go so many ways. Why would I want to go anywhere else?”

Thomas remembers talking to friend and former Knicks teammate Nazr Mohammed after he was traded to San Antonio last year. Mohammed said he was upset about leaving New York for Texas.

“I said ‘Are you out of your damn mind?’ You can always come back and hang out in New York, but you don’t get many chances to win a championship. And once he got his ring, he told me I was right, it was all worth it and he was having a great time.

“I was close once (when Milwaukee reached Game 7 of the Eastern Conference finals before falling to Bell and Philadelphia) and as the years start creeping by, you think about whether you will get another chance to play a major role in helping a team go all the way.

“People say you can never have too much money. Well I’ve made my share. Money’s not what I’m missing. This — being in the chase, on a great team with a great group — is what I was missing. And I’m going to make sure I do all I can from my end to make sure it lasts.”
 

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Talk is cheap IMO. When the Suns offer him a little more than the LLE, and there will be other teams that offer him 5x-8x that amount, I dont see him on the Suns any longer.

I hope to be proven wrong though.
 

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sounds good sign him for the min and he can get 20 min off the bench.
 
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dreamcastrocks said:
Talk is cheap IMO. When the Suns offer him a little more than the LLE, and there will be other teams that offer him 5x-8x that amount, I dont see him on the Suns any longer.

I hope to be proven wrong though.

Well, its better than what Joe said last year about keeping his options open, and it wasnt a sure thing hed be back in PHX.
 

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dreamcastrocks said:
Talk is cheap IMO. When the Suns offer him a little more than the LLE, and there will be other teams that offer him 5x-8x that amount, I dont see him on the Suns any longer.

I hope to be proven wrong though.

Talk is cheap, but what he's saying is better than "We'll see what happens in the offseason." That's more cheap to me.
 

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Thomas is focused on doing everything he can to help this team right now, which is as it should be. He is showing great hunger and enthusiasm, and I think it is rubbing off on his teammates.
 

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Thomas doesnt want to distract the Suns at this time, so he will take a diplomatic approach until the offseason.....

To be brutally honest, his fate is predicated on whether or not KT isnt traded during the summer..... I just dont see how the Suns will be able to fit TT in the rotation on a consistant basis, especially enough to warrant the amount of money that he will be earning.....

Also.. wont the Suns be in cap trouble once they re-sign both Diaw and Barbosa? (which are both are must)......

I would prefer to have KT over TT because the Suns would desperately need KT's physical presence/intimidation, and TT's dimension of scoring would be covered with the return of Amare....

It shall be interesting to see how it all sorts out, but regardless it's a win-win situation.....
 

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LB & Diaw's extentions won't kick in until after next season (assuming they are signed to extentions this summer). I don't see KT playing more than 25 mpg next season and Amare & Shawn can both have their minutes reduced if we had Diaw & TT coming off the bench, but they'd also have to be willing to only play 35 mpg because their stats would probably go down. I don't really think TT will be on the team next year unless he's willing to take less money and play a reduced role of about 15-20 mpg and I don't know if he'd get that much time because Boris has really earned playing 35 mpg himself.
 

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It is highly unlikely that Kurt Thomas will be traded this summer. One, his value is low because of the injury and two, he was requested by Amare and they haven't played more than a few games together.
 

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Why does everyone insist that someone will have to be traded before next year?

Diaw and Barbosa won't be making more money until after next year. I think they will be willing to spend the money for next year and worry about clearing cap space the summer after if necessary.

As for the rotation on the floor TT fits in all three front line positions. With his scoring ability and signed to a reasonable deal he would be a huge asset to a team looking to win it all.

A lot of things can change in a year.
 

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These were the knocks on TT when he came to Phoenix:

--defense
--rebounding
--attitude

He's been much better than advertised in two out of the three areas, and his consistent shooting in the playoffs has helped to make up for the third. I'm very pleased with Thomas' contributions over the last two weeks.


As for staying in Phoenix, it's not happening unless the Suns make moves. First, Thomas will be looking at MLE offers from other teams (think Donyell Marshall from last summer), but more importantly, if Thomas signs with Phoenix, he'll be fifth on the depth chart at PF/C going into next season. It's one thing to sign for less money, but TT is far too young to sign with the Suns expecting to play spot minutes.

I don't like to talk about roster moves during the playoffs, so I'll leave it at that. :)
 

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TT's long range shooting, and ability to dribble penetrate do lead to better spacing and more offensive options on the floor in the half court set. When the suns play Marion and Diaw at the same time, spacing suffers as both are average 3pt shooters, at best. With Marion, Diaw, and KT on the floor, the suns have only 2 3 pt threats, Nash and Bell. The lack of more than 2 potent 3 point threats allows the defense to pack in some, hurts the dribble penetration by allowing the shot blocker to hang near the lane. TT can play at the 3,4 or 5, and make his man play permiter defense or just sink the shots. TT could also play with Amare in an inside out offense. For example, if the suns played the pistons, rasheed would have to play perimeter defense, removing some shot blocking in the lane, creating more room for the pick and roll with nash and amare. TT is the only big man the suns have that has a potent 3pt shot, and if tightly defended on the perimeter, he can go to the hoop against any 3,4,5 I have seen so far. Barbosa and Nash are the only good 3 point shooters on the suns, other than TT, that have good dribble penetration moves to hurt teams that extend the defense to defend the 3(mavs, Pistons and spurs). The fact that TT takes a shot blocker outside with him(or else), is especially useful in creating space for Nash, LB and Diaw on the dribble penetration.
 

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KLL said:
To be brutally honest, his fate is predicated on whether or not KT isnt traded during the summer..... I just dont see how the Suns will be able to fit TT in the rotation on a consistant basis, especially enough to warrant the amount of money that he will be earning.....

I think TT fits in rotation fine when Amare and KT come back. The Suns starting front line would be: C. KT. PF, Amare, SF. Marion. Diaw could come off the bench and sort of swing between any of those three positions. But then who else do we have as a big to come off the bench? Are you saying you are happy with one big, who isn't even that big? I don't want Burke or Grant as our back up PF. Thomas I think would get plenty of minutes even with the Suns fully healthy.
 

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We should keep Tim Thomas. I like the fact that he is tall and can shoot 3pt in clutch time. In a game where we need to pull a quick 3pt to win the game, he will be the best choice just like Robert Horry who can get his shot off over most guards.
 

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Why does everyone insist that someone will have to be traded before next year?

If they know that they'll need to make a cost-cutting trade anyway, it might make more sense to do it this summer than later. In the summer of 2007, everyone else will know that they're over a barrel financially, and they might be forced to accept an ugly offer. I still have nightmares about the Gugliotta trade -- the Jazz knew that the Suns had to shed salary, so they were able to demand a king's ransom.
 

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Why does everyone insist that TT is feeding us a line? Admittedly, it's a little hard to believe nowadays that a player might make a decision for the love of the game, a style of play, a team/organization, and his one remaining goal, rather than complain about needing more respect (pay attention, now, Shawn) and the supersized money to prove it. Maybe TT has matured, and has given up on getting respect at this point -- and boys just want to have fun.

We love this team -- maybe some of the players do, too.
 

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dreamcastrocks said:
Talk is cheap IMO. When the Suns offer him a little more than the LLE, and there will be other teams that offer him 5x-8x that amount, I dont see him on the Suns any longer.

I hope to be proven wrong though.

Yep, talk is cheap. I wouldn't be surprised to see Toronto make a run at him.
 

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AZZenny said:
Why does everyone insist that TT is feeding us a line? Admittedly, it's a little hard to believe nowadays that a player might make a decision for the love of the game, a style of play, a team/organization, and his one remaining goal, rather than complain about needing more respect (pay attention, now, Shawn) and the supersized money to prove it. Maybe TT has matured, and has given up on getting respect at this point -- and boys just want to have fun.

We love this team -- maybe some of the players do, too.

Because it's been seen/done many times before. They don't want to cause a distraction during the playoffs so they tell you what you want to hear, IMO.
 
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AZZenny said:
Why does everyone insist that TT is feeding us a line? Admittedly, it's a little hard to believe nowadays that a player might make a decision for the love of the game, a style of play, a team/organization, and his one remaining goal, rather than complain about needing more respect (pay attention, now, Shawn) and the supersized money to prove it. Maybe TT has matured, and has given up on getting respect at this point -- and boys just want to have fun.

We love this team -- maybe some of the players do, too.

:raccoon:
 

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jibikao said:
We should keep Tim Thomas. I like the fact that he is tall and can shoot 3pt in clutch time. In a game where we need to pull a quick 3pt to win the game, he will be the best choice just like Robert Horry who can get his shot off over most guards.

You hated him just a few weeks ago. :wink2:
 

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You hated him just a few weeks ago. :wink2:

I've said he can prove me wrong in the playoffs and he has. Who didn't hate him during regular season? If he is cheap, keep him.
 

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jibikao said:
I've said he can prove me wrong in the playoffs and he has. Who didn't hate him during regular season?

Ask that question again. He was brought in for certain reasons and had certain expectations, and he has exceeded them.
 

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I just don't think he will be back, but if he is really talking about staying for less money then of course bring him in! I said before we got him that I didn't like him at his old salary (or even half of it), but when the money is right it is a no brainer.

Rotation wise he would be 7th or 8th man (either behind or in front of JR next season). I really want to keep Jones, he has made progress and is a good young piece. If Thomas takes something in the 2.5 million range then it is going to be worth it, otherwise - not so much.
 

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I'm not sure why so many are shining a negative light on Tim Thomas's statements. The guy just said he loves to play with the suns, loves this team, love Phoenix and wants to be here. He's made 100 million and what he wants is to win a championship and have fun. Not a hint in that article of "me fist" "I'll sign here if the numbers are to my liking" or anything like that.

I for one think that's rather refreshing.

What else could he possibly say that would be better?
 

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He definitely couldn't have said anything better.

We have talked off and on about when the Suns were going to start getting players to sign for less in order to chase a ring (like Payton, Finley ect. ect.)

Maybe Thomas will be the first
 

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