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1. Can anyone make sense of the Teryl Austin DC signing by the Florida Gators? Where's the connection?

If one looks at the job he did with the Cardinals DBs the past few years, the results are decidedly mixed:

The Positives:

a) Developing DRC into a Pro Bowl caliber CB...although I think we all recognize that DRC is far too inconsistent to be worthy of this honor so early in his career. While he at times is an electrifying presence, he also is a significant liability in the tackling aspects of his job and is still very prone to biting on fakes. But, Austin, IMO, deserves credit for helping DRC develop thus far. We cannot expect DRC to have a polished game at this point.

b) Developing Antrel Rolle into a solid FS. His progress was readily apparent this year. Again, like DRC, he really doesn't deserve Pro Bowl status, but he's been steadily improving his game.

c) Although we only got a small glimpse of Greg Toler in the playoffs, he looks pretty sound technique and effort wise. One has to wonder, hey, why so late?

d) Matt Ware was much improved at nickel safety this year and was missed when he was injured.

The Negatives:

a) Both Bryant McFadden and Rod Hood struggled mightily under Austin's watch...as neither of them ever seemed to understand that seeing the ball is a part of playing defense. Despite their struggles, the younger players sat anyway.

b) Adrian Wilson---for a Pro Bowl safety---has repeatedly shown poor technique and effort in man-to-man pass coverage---and he still is a liability in space. This year he made the Pro Bowl on reputation and the fact that when he's put in intermediate zones he still can pick passes and deliver big hits.

c) Rashad Johnson---for a player whom Nick Saban called "the smartest player I've ever coached" to be left out in the playoffs with a glaring need at FS...in favor of a player who was on the roster for two weeks---sorry but something's wrong here. Plus, I went back and watched the Packer game he started in Week 17 for the third time just to see once again if my eyes were deceiving me, and I have to tell I saw no dropoff at FS from Antrel Rolle in this game. Johnson made good reads most of the time, made good clean tackles in the open field (only missing one) and took good angles in deep coverage (he got beat over the top once when he covered a wide open Jermichael Finley on a seam route (but, because Finley was so open, Johnson does not deserve the blame on that one).

d) Michael Adams and Ralph Brown looked so poorly prepared, utilized and coached in the playoffs...as well as the whole secondary in general...it was really embarrassing.

It's amazing to me that a guy who really, in light of the way his unit stunk in the playoffs, could from seemingly out of nowehere land the Florida DC job, especially in light of his inexperience as a DC, his so-so performance as a DB coach and the fact that Florida could attract a far more high profile and successful coach for that job.

2. I was wondering if Aeneas Williams would be interested in becoming the new DB coach. I know he's a minister in Missouri, and might be fully committed to his calling there. But, wow, imagine what he could do with DRC and Toler.

The other guy I am very curious about is Doug Plank, who was the asst. DB coach with the Jets this past year, recently let go (not sure why other than economics). Plank is such a smart guy and having spent the year coaching those Jets' DB and how aggressive a good they were, could be a real boon to the Cardinals.

3. The last several DCs who won Super Bowls:

2010: Greg Williams
2009: Dick LeBeau
2008: Steve Spagnuolo
2007: Tony Dungy (in essence)
2006: Dick LeBeau
2005: Bill Billichick (in essence)

My point is you really need established DCs to get this job done...or a HC who really runs the defensive shots. This is why I am still bewlildered as to why Whiz, an offensive coach, wouldn't do all he could to put the defense in the hands of someone with the right pedigree.

That said, if Bill Davis is retained as DC, we have to hope his learning curve is high because...he did show some innovative game plans versus the Giants and Vikings, but his game plans in the playoffs were sadly poor, woefully poor. It does not bode real confidence moving forward, unless Davis somehow can reschool himself in what it means to play playoff caliber aggressive defense.

4. It's looking more and more like the Cardinals may be losing two #1 draft picks (Rolle and Leinart) and 2 #2 draft picks (Boldin and Dansby) without any compensation (unless the team can get something for Boldin in a trade this year, which as of today seems to mean accepting a third round draft pick, possibly the 1st one in the 3rd round (#65) from the Bears---who offered the #49 (2nd round) last year.

The reality is, IMO, none of them are worth the money they want or will ask for...which puts the Cardinals in a very difficult position of either to overpay for them or let them go.

I know this opinion is unpopular, but I do believe that none of the four players are worth going forward with if it means overpaying them. Rolle is a marginal FS, yet is a playmaker, but is better suited to play SS...which we already just payed AW handsomely to play for the next few years.

Leinart is a poor fit for this offense...simply because he lacks the big arm and quick release...it really is as simple as that.

Dansby is one of the more over-rated players in the NFL. He doesn't play consistently tough, and far too may big plays happen to his side.

Anquan Boldin is tough, no question, but he won't take advantage of John Lott, and thus is often hurt. Enough already. Go get your game somewhere else. The thing is too, he puts pressure on the QBs because he's high maintenance and needs his touches. To me he has evolved into the epitome of the selfish WR who cares more about his own gig than doing what's best for his team to win. His talent is unmistakable, but here is a player who absolutely needs to be a #1. He cannot accept a subordinate role, it's not in his DNA. And as long as Fitz is in Cardinal red, Boldin will never be the #1 here anymore.

5. The most salient and significant statement I've read on the board this week was from Joe who has realized that with so many RFAs in this year's off-season dealings, the BEST way for teams to improve their personnel is to make trades...especially for playoff teams in the final eight.

The problem is the Cardinals' front office lack the creativity, decisiveness and the gumption to make trades...(hey, were any of the Cardinals' starters the last two years acquired in a trade?)

My thought here is that the Cardinals are 4 player additions away from maintaining their current reign as NFC West Champs.

If the Cardinals get the right QB, the right ILB, the right CB addition and the right pass rusher addition, they can still be NFC West Champs and a legitimate Super Bowl contender.

They have Boldin to offer in a trade and all of their first four draft picks.

For once I would love to see the Cardinals have a clear-cut plan...have players singled out as the right fits and...have the alacrity and immediacy to get deals done.

Alas, if they don't rise to the occasion I cannot realistically envision a scenario where they could maintain their recent dominance of the NFC West.

The status quo is NOT going to work this time.

This weekend I will target the 4 players that I think the Cardinals should wheel and deal for.
 
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The offense did just fine last season w/o Kurt chucking the ball 50 yards. We did not have as many 30+ yard pass plays as we did the previous season. Leinart does not have a big arm, but he certainly doesnt have a noodle. Plus, I don't see where you get the fact that he has a slow release. I watched the kid @ USC and early years with AZ. The one thing he has always had was an ability to get rid of the ball. As a matter of fact, his scouting reports have always raved about his "zip" on the ball and release. If anything, Kurt's propensity to hold on to the ball too long was more of a liability.
 
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Leinart is a poor fit for this offense...simply because he lacks the big arm and quick release...it really is as simple as that.
You're right, Leinart isn't a good fit for the offense Warner has been helming.

Thing is, I don't think we're going to see that offense next year. Honestly, I don't think Whiz really wanted to run that offense WITH Warner, but did because he made the best use of the offensive talents at his disposal. I think we'll see an offense in '10 that also suits our offensive talents, namely a run-first offense featuring Beanie Wells.
 
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You're right, Leinart isn't a good fit for the offense Warner has been helming.

Thing is, I don't think we're going to see that offense next year. Honestly, I don't think Whiz really wanted to run that offense WITH Warner, but did because he made the best use of the offensive talents at his disposal. I think we'll see an offense in '10 that also suits our offensive talents, namely a run-first offense featuring Beanie Wells.

Pariah, THIS offense is what made the team a Super Bowl contender...it's very hopeful to think a change in decor will maintain the current level of success.

I would much rather try to get a guy who can do some of things Warner could do, than gamble on being able to suddenly run the ball when teams now know we are trying to do it. It's not as easy as you think.

Today's game is precicated on the passing game, ask the Saints and Colts.

The Cardinals still have all the ingredients of a prolific passing game if the get the right guy at QB.
 

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I do agree that the DB coach being gone is both puzzling and exciting at the same time. Why someone would take the guy who was largely responsible for the 31st ranked pass defense in the NFL is beyond me....

Gives us an excuse to upgrade that part of the coaching.

But whatever. Is one man's trash another man's treasure??
 

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Pariah, THIS offense is what made the team a Super Bowl contender...it's very hopeful to think a change in decor will maintain the current level of success.

I would much rather try to get a guy who can do some of things Warner could do, than gamble on being able to suddenly run the ball when teams now know we are trying to do it. It's not as easy as you think.

Today's game is precicated on the passing game, ask the Saints and Colts.

The Cardinals still have all the ingredients of a prolific passing game if the get the right guy at QB.

Kurt was a bigger reason for us being a super bowl contender than the offensive scheme. That said, you can't really separate the 2 because 1 is required for the other, IMO. Do you fit the scheme around the players? Or find players who fit the scheme? Really the correct answer is you have to find a balance of both. That's what makes a good coach. Whiz showed he could adjust from the old Steelers smash mouth offense, to the Cardinals recent offense. Now he will have to show he can adjust again. Should be fun to see.

As for "Today's game is predicated on the passing game, ask the Saints and Colts" comment:
I agree you with, but at the same time you hear every year the "pattern" of the NFL. Go back and look at the last 10 teams who played in the Super Bowl (I am not going to bother writing it all out), and you will find a very mixed bag of strengths and weaknesses. My point is this, good football wins. Wether its a dominating defense, amazing running game, or amazing passing game, good football wins.
 
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1. Can anyone make sense of the Teryl Austin DC signing by the Florida Gators? Where's the connection?

If one looks at the job he did with the Cardinals DBs the past few years, the results are decidedly mixed:

The Positives:

a) Developing DRC into a Pro Bowl caliber CB...although I think we all recognize that DRC is far too inconsistent to be worthy of this honor so early in his career. While he at times is an electrifying presence, he also is a significant liability in the tackling aspects of his job and is still very prone to biting on fakes. But, Austin, IMO, deserves credit for helping DRC develop thus far. We cannot expect DRC to have a polished game at this point.

b) Developing Antrel Rolle into a solid FS. His progress was readily apparent this year. Again, like DRC, he really doesn't deserve Pro Bowl status, but he's been steadily improving his game.

c) Although we only got a small glimpse of Greg Toler in the playoffs, he looks pretty sound technique and effort wise. One has to wonder, hey, why so late?

d) Matt Ware was much improved at nickel safety this year and was missed when he was injured.

The Negatives:

a) Both Bryant McFadden and Rod Hood struggled mightily under Austin's watch...as neither of them ever seemed to understand that seeing the ball is a part of playing defense. Despite their struggles, the younger players sat anyway.

b) Adrian Wilson---for a Pro Bowl safety---has repeatedly shown poor technique and effort in man-to-man pass coverage---and he still is a liability in space. This year he made the Pro Bowl on reputation and the fact that when he's put in intermediate zones he still can pick passes and deliver big hits.

c) Rashad Johnson---for a player whom Nick Saban called "the smartest player I've ever coached" to be left out in the playoffs with a glaring need at FS...in favor of a player who was on the roster for two weeks---sorry but something's wrong here. Plus, I went back and watched the Packer game he started in Week 17 for the third time just to see once again if my eyes were deceiving me, and I have to tell I saw no dropoff at FS from Antrel Rolle in this game. Johnson made good reads most of the time, made good clean tackles in the open field (only missing one) and took good angles in deep coverage (he got beat over the top once when he covered a wide open Jermichael Finley on a seam route (but, because Finley was so open, Johnson does not deserve the blame on that one).

d) Michael Adams and Ralph Brown looked so poorly prepared, utilized and coached in the playoffs...as well as the whole secondary in general...it was really embarrassing.

It's amazing to me that a guy who really, in light of the way his unit stunk in the playoffs, could from seemingly out of nowehere land the Florida DC job, especially in light of his inexperience as a DC, his so-so performance as a DB coach and the fact that Florida could attract a far more high profile and successful coach for that job.

Here's the thing. All your positives were development of young guys which the DB coach is much more directly impactful of than poor play by vets who are already set in their ways. Additionally who starts and who is on the bench is ultimately up to the DC and HC. We have no idea whether Austin agreed with playing McFadden, Brown and Adams as much as they were played and if he agreed that Toler and Rashad should play as little as they did. I think the fact that the young guys developed is what impressed Urban Meyer enough to go for Austin. He has proven he can get young DBs to progress and he will now be dealing with nothing but young players.
 

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Can't argue with much there Mitch... Looks like Karlos will end up with the Fins, Skins or G-Men. Could be getting as much as $28 - $30 million in guaranteed money... Wow!
 

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If the Cardinals get the right QB, the right ILB, the right CB addition and the right pass rusher addition, they can still be NFC West Champs and a legitimate Super Bowl contender.

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This weekend I will target the 4 players that I think the Cardinals should wheel and deal for.

Sooo... Tyler Thigpen, Larry Foote, Antonio Cromartie, and Elvis Dumervil?
 

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I think a lot of people are downplaying the effect that Beanie Wells is going to have on this team next year.

BTW - Anyone looking to replace Kurt Warner and have that person run the offense that Warner did, is going to be dissapointted because that player doesn't exist, or at least will not be available.

This is the NFL, if you cannot adapt you are doomed to fail.
 

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I disagree with almost everything u posted Mitch, besides the DB coach. As far as I know he was largely involved with our corners and our assistant DB coach really worked with our safeties. Its something Jureki talked about today. But to say we need a QB like Warner for this offense is not what we need. How many hall of fame QB's retire just to hear how the new QB can't hold their jock strap? With a new QB at the helm (any QB) we need a new offense. Beanie needs more carries and a new offense will give him that. Leinart is more of a play action QB and what he's working with this time around is way more suited for his play style than when he got the reigns last time. I do agree that its Q's time to go but we need to see what we can get. I still say we squeeze a 2nd so we should try. Rolle needs a reasonable extension so no don't cut him. We finally see some good progression out of him and you want him to walk. Dansby is gone, agreed. This year we can get by with adding a vet like Pierce or Foote though. We NEED someone who can get to the QB more than anything though and that's where I'd like to draft heavy.
 

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I would much rather try to get a guy who can do some of things Warner could do, than gamble on being able to suddenly run the ball when teams now know we are trying to do it. It's not as easy as you think.
I don't think it's going to be easy, nor do I think the team will be superbowl bound next year. But I do think running the ball successfully will be easier than finding a top-5 QB to replace Warner.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Leinart shouldn't be judged a failure after next season if he can't perform like Warner; precious few QBs in the NFL today would be able to. No matter who is under center next season, the offense will need to adjust.
 

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I think a lot of people are downplaying the effect that Beanie Wells is going to have on this team next year.

BTW - Anyone looking to replace Kurt Warner and have that person run the offense that Warner did, is going to be dissapointted because that player doesn't exist, or at least will not be available.

This is the NFL, if you cannot adapt you are doomed to fail.

I disagree with almost everything u posted Mitch, besides the DB coach. As far as I know he was largely involved with our corners and our assistant DB coach really worked with our safeties. Its something Jureki talked about today. But to say we need a QB like Warner for this offense is not what we need. How many hall of fame QB's retire just to hear how the new QB can't hold their jock strap? With a new QB at the helm (any QB) we need a new offense. Beanie needs more carries and a new offense will give him that. Leinart is more of a play action QB and what he's working with this time around is way more suited for his play style than when he got the reigns last time. I do agree that its Q's time to go but we need to see what we can get. I still say we squeeze a 2nd so we should try. Rolle needs a reasonable extension so no don't cut him. We finally see some good progression out of him and you want him to walk. Dansby is gone, agreed. This year we can get by with adding a vet like Pierce or Foote though. We NEED someone who can get to the QB more than anything though and that's where I'd like to draft heavy.

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If the Cardinals get the right QB,

Mitch, I just took this one snippet from your post. You do realize just how tough that is, don't you? Just off the top of my head I can think of several teams that need or will soon need a qb. 'skins, Seahawks, Vikes, Broncos, 9ers, Raiders, Jags, Rams, Bills, Panthers etc.

I know you don't like Leinart and I won't bring up that argument here, but I would like to ask if you wouldn't at least acknowledge that it might be easier to move towards fitting the team to a servicable (imo) qb that's already on the roster than to complete against half the teams in the league for the perfect qb?
 

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I don't think it's going to be easy, nor do I think the team will be superbowl bound next year. But I do think running the ball successfully will be easier than finding a top-5 QB to replace Warner.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Leinart shouldn't be judged a failure after next season if he can't perform like Warner; precious few QBs in the NFL today would be able to. No matter who is under center next season, the offense will need to adjust.

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What do you base this on?


Nothing but radio chatter... That, and the fact that there are literally no quality UFA's this year.
I give Karlos a TON of credit for the way he handled his entire Cardinal career. Never bitched (Q, DD...). Never asked for more money years before his contract was to expire. He did extremely well as a result being tagged twice. And now the dude is going to get PAID! Personally, I don't believe he's worth it, but his timing couldn't be any better...
 

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Nothing but radio chatter... That, and the fact that there are literally no quality UFA's this year.
I give Karlos a TON of credit for the way he handled his entire Cardinal career. Never bitched (Q, DD...). Never asked for more money years before his contract was to expire. He did extremely well as a result being tagged twice. And now the dude is going to get PAID! Personally, I don't believe he's worth it, but his timing couldn't be any better...

He didnt complain to the level of Q and Dockett, but he still bitched about his situation. Every interview Ive ever heard with him in regards to his contract situation has been along the lines of "I am the franchise player, I deserve to get paid as such." (Direct quote). Plus the fact that the Cards were about to offer a contract worth $24 mil guaranteed and he subsequently fires his agent still bothers me.
 

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1. Can anyone make sense of the Teryl Austin DC signing by the Florida Gators? Where's the connection?


This weekend I will target the 4 players that I think the Cardinals should wheel and deal for.

lots to chew on mitch.....that is why you got so many comments.....far too early for me to say anything but you know there will be between 15-20 new faces getting a check next season.

one thing....save your keystrokes no 7 starts camp as no 1. offenive plan will center around play action and runs which is where matt earned his keep
 

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It is official with Austin per Florida themselves.

I think Moe brought it up but it is worth noting again. The cards have 2 DB coaches. According to team insiders and what I myself saw of the training camps Austin coached the CB's, and Rick Courtwright coached the safeties. When Wiz was first hired he interviewed all of the coaches from the previous regime and he told reporters that Rick Courtwright was by far the most impressive interview and why he is the only coach left from the Denny Green regime.

I do like the idea of bringing in Doug Plank as either the new DB coach or to keep his old Jets title as the DB assistant coach. Note that the Jets didnt fire him because they didnt like him, its because they had something like 26 total position coaches. When the owner looked around the league he saw the the average quantity of assistant caoches per team in the NFL was only 19, so he decided to right size to the norm of the NFL.
 

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Mitch, I understand your thoughts on Anneas Williams, and Doug Plank. I don't know why Plank was let go either, but I do know that just because these guys were great players, doesn't necessarily translate them into good coaches. In fact, great players have proven to seldom be good coaches, and there have been many many examples of this. I won't go into why this is so, because I really don't know. I only know that this is so, and may be why Plank was dismissed. It seems that the journeymen players seem to make the best coaches.

I just don't see the Cards taking a flyer on Leinart this season. They have groomed him for this next step, and I believe they will not part with him until they see what he brings to the table for them. There was 'promise' in his first couple of years before his injury, and despite the coaching ineptitude of Green, Leinart was able to rally this team around him and inspire them to competitiveness. Your assesment that he will not be able to run Warner's offense is probably correct, but he will probably not be running 'that' offense. His offense will probably be a more balanced offense, involving the running game, and the play action passing, and the use of the tight end in the passing game more than we have seen.

Concerning the Defense,----- I really don't know what to expect this year. I hope that we use the draft judiciously for defense this year, as I would like to see us add about 5 pieces to our defense, (NT, CB, OLB, ILB, FS). I hope that we can find the coaching on this side of the ball to continue to develop our new players there. I still don't know what we have in Bill Davis as a DC. I don't know if he has the capabilitiy to produce a solid defense, or if his trademark, 'soft finish', is what we will continue to get from him. I guess we have to trust in Whiz on that point for now, but I have little faith to grab onto with what we have seen in the past two seasons on defense.

Our defense was woefully inadequate for the end games of the the Steelers in the SB, and for the entire efforts given to us by the Packers and the Saints this past year. It took a near miracle game by Warner to put away the packers, and we will not likely ever see that kind of performance again, (by ANY QB). Even Warner could not duplicate that feat against the Saints.

I have serious reservations about the coaching we have all through our Defensive side of the ball, (save for the bright spots of having brought our youngsters on quickly to be able to compete at this level). Now the task seems to be to know (when) they are ready to assume the starting-role, and when to remove more seasoned vets who seem to actually be liabilities to our efforts IE. Hood when he was here, and McFAdden last year.

I like the growth that we have seen in DRC, (though he needs to learn to tackle), and I love the glimpse that we got of Toler in the Saints game. Rolle has developed nicely as a Safety, and yes, I agree with you that Ware was missed when he got hurt.

There is much work to do this off-season, on both sides of the ball. There is a new offense to install, and a defense to develop. I really can't find much fault with where the power rankings have placed us to begin this new year. We have much to prove, and improve this year in my opinion.
 
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