Tim Thomas Gets His Night in the Sun

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Thomas Gets His Night in the Sun

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By HOWARD BECK
Published: May 7, 2006

PHOENIX, May 6 — To the Knicks, Tim Thomas was nothing but a trading chip. To the Chicago Bulls, he was a malingering veteran. But by late Thursday night in Phoenix, Thomas was nothing less than a savior.

Of all the strange routes taken to Saturday night's Game 7 between the Suns and the Lakers, none was more circuitous and haphazard than the one taken by Thomas. As of Oct. 3, he was a returning starter with the Knicks. A day later, he was a member of the Bulls, the key piece of a trade that sent Eddy Curry to New York. By late November, Thomas was an exile.
The Bulls, believing that he was a bad fit with a bad attitude, sent Thomas home to New Jersey and continued to pay his $14 million salary. Chicago waived him on March 1, and Thomas signed with the Suns two days later. Phoenix needed Thomas to replace Kurt Thomas, another former Knick, who was out with a foot injury.

If not for that complex chain of events, the Suns' season might have ended Thursday in Los Angeles. The Lakers had a 3-2 lead in the series and a 105-102 lead in Game 6 with less than 10 seconds left. Steve Nash missed a 3-pointer, Shawn Marion grabbed the rebound and passed to Thomas in the right corner. Thomas hit the game-tying 3-pointer with 6.3 seconds left, and the Suns prevailed, 126-118, in overtime.
Even before hitting that shot, Thomas was enjoying his strange fate. The Knicks missed the playoffs. The Bulls were eliminated in six games by the Miami Heat. Thomas was still playing, and for one of the most collegial teams in the league.

"It was a good one," Thomas said of his season. "Nice vacation, got to spend all the major holidays home. I didn't have all the wear and tear. I've probably got the freshest legs in here. So it's been great. Especially going through what both teams have gone through."
Thomas was a starter until spraining his left knee in Game 3. He scored in double figures in each of the first six games, tallying 22 points and 15 rebounds in the Suns' Game 1 victory and 21 points and 10 rebounds in Game 6. A capable post-up scorer as well as a solid 3-point shooter and open-court threat, Thomas is a perfect fit for the Suns' wide-open style. A small forward for most of his career, he is comfortable, at 6 feet 10 inches, at power forward in Phoenix's small-ball lineup.

He said it was the most fun he had had "since probably high school, college" and his early days with the Milwaukee Bucks. "This team, it's like a college atmosphere. We hang out together, we go out to eat together, our wives hang out together. In other situations, you had so much separation. The major goal here is just to win. Everybody's on one page."
That description is in stark contrast to the foreboding, politically charged atmosphere of Madison Square Garden, where Thomas spent a season and a half with the hapless Knicks.

A New Jersey native, Thomas had hoped for better when the Knicks acquired him in a 2004 trade. But, like many players, he often found it difficult to thrive in an offense dominated by point guard Stephon Marbury.
"With a guy like Steph, you can't really get involved unless he lets you get involved," Thomas said. "He's a scoring point guard. And scoring point guards don't really look to give the ball up as much."

In Phoenix, Thomas is yet another role player enjoying a renaissance alongside Nash, the reigning most valuable player.
"He's always looking to give the ball up," Thomas said. "And it makes your job a whole lot easier, because if you run the floor, you definitely know you're going to get it, rather than running the floor knowing that you're not going to get it. And then the next time you don't run the floor and everybody looks at you like you're crazy."

In Chicago, the Bulls had two younger, harder-nosed small forwards, Andrés Nocioni and Luol Deng. They acquired Thomas because his expiring contract would help them reduce their payroll. But Thomas was unhappy with his role, and the Bulls, concerned that he could become a distraction, sent him home.

"They made the trade to write me off at the end of the year," Thomas said. "I just hate all the negativity that comes with it. And I heard 15 million stories — I didn't work hard, I was bad in the locker room, all kinds of stuff. But the bottom line is, they really didn't want me there, to take away from the guys like Nocioni and Luol."

Looking back, the forced vacation looks good compared to losing 59 games in New York.
"I would rather be sitting out than to be in a losing situation or a situation that doesn't want you around," he said.
Now Thomas is sure he has found a new N.B.A. home. He said he hoped to re-sign with the Suns this summer.
"To end up in this situation is just a blessing," he said. "I'm not going nowhere."
 

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I hope he is back!

I love TT2's attitude....especially when the camera was on him last night; he was throwing kisses and you could read his lips .... ''Lamar is a p(female cat)." :p
 

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It will be mostly up to him. He's done a lot to warrent some pretty impressive offers this summer - ones the Suns cannot afford to match. However, he's coming off a big contract that paid him $15 million this past season. Maybe money wont' be a big deal to him?
 

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George O'Brien said:
It will be mostly up to him. He's done a lot to warrent some pretty impressive offers this summer - ones the Suns cannot afford to match. However, he's coming off a big contract that paid him $15 million this past season. Maybe money wont' be a big deal to him?

That is the bottom line, does he take less money to play for the Suns or does he take the best offer. The other consideration, what happens to his playing time when Amare and KT return?

A New Jersey native, Thomas had hoped for better when the Knicks acquired him in a 2004 trade. But, like many players, he often found it difficult to thrive in an offense dominated by point guard Stephon Marbury.
"With a guy like Steph, you can't really get involved unless he lets you get involved," Thomas said. "He's a scoring point guard. And scoring point guards don't really look to give the ball up as much."

In Phoenix, Thomas is yet another role player enjoying a renaissance alongside Nash, the reigning most valuable player.
"He's always looking to give the ball up," Thomas said. "And it makes your job a whole lot easier, because if you run the floor, you definitely know you're going to get it, rather than running the floor knowing that you're not going to get it.
And then the next time you don't run the floor and everybody looks at you like you're crazy."
 

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That is the bottom line, does he take less money to play for the Suns or does he take the best offer. The other consideration, what happens to his playing time when Amare and KT return?

If TT is resigned with Amare back, I don't see a whole lot of time for KT. KT may end up being the one moved. Maybe they can keep everyone next yr as the extensions for Barbs and Boris would not kick in until 08'? Then move KT for cap relief?
 

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i dont see KT as a sun for much longer. MAYBE until the trading deadline of next season, but not after that.

the extensions of Diaw and Barbosa will be kicking in, and IF we hold onto Tim, then the suns will be in the $79mil range for the 07/08 season.

with Marion, Nash, Amare, Barbosa, and Diaw pulling in over $55mil ALONE, adding Thomas, Bell, Jones, and Tim will KILL the suns. chances are the suns try to unload Kurt+our own first rounder at the end of the season for someone like Magloire or Battie of Orlando (both expiring contracts).
 

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just do it said:
If TT is resigned with Amare back, I don't see a whole lot of time for KT. KT may end up being the one moved. Maybe they can keep everyone next yr as the extensions for Barbs and Boris would not kick in until 08'? Then move KT for cap relief?

I completely don't understand your thinking here at all to be honest. You are saying you think the Suns would give moe minutes to a streaky shooting big man who plays no defense, over the guy who turned the Suns into a good defensive team this past year? KT can't hit the deep ball like TT, but he's deadly from the elbow. Unlike TT, he can gaurd/slow guys like Brand, Odom, Duncan, et al. I'd love to see both of the Thomas' back, but to say TT should get more minutes is just confusing.

If the Suns were healthy the line up would be:
KT
Amare
Marion
Bell
Nash

With:
Diaw (6th man, can play any position and come in for whoever needs rest/is in foul trouble)
Barbosa
T.Thomas

As our main 3 off the pine.
 

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HooverDam said:
I completely don't understand your thinking here at all to be honest. You are saying you think the Suns would give moe minutes to a streaky shooting big man who plays no defense, over the guy who turned the Suns into a good defensive team this past year? KT can't hit the deep ball like TT, but he's deadly from the elbow. Unlike TT, he can gaurd/slow guys like Brand, Odom, Duncan, et al. I'd love to see both of the Thomas' back, but to say TT should get more minutes is just confusing.

If the Suns were healthy the line up would be:
KT
Amare
Marion
Bell
Nash

With:
Diaw (6th man, can play any position and come in for whoever needs rest/is in foul trouble)
Barbosa
T.Thomas

As our main 3 off the pine.

Thats a SOLID team
 

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HooverDam said:
If the Suns were healthy the line up would be:
KT
Amare
Marion
Bell
Nash

With:
Diaw (6th man, can play any position and come in for whoever needs rest/is in foul trouble)
Barbosa
T.Thomas

As our main 3 off the pine.
Plus . . . you can't plan a season with each of the 8 staying healthy. We don't know what percent of Amare will be back, we don't know how many games Kurt Thomas will play, and any other lost time that comes up.

I would love to see Thomas AND Thomas on the roster, recognizing that Kurt T. make our team defense much better and Tim T. would work well with any Center. He's still a Small Forward in the body of a Center. Those arms. Geez!
 

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The playoffs aren't over so lets not annoint TT just yet. His D has one huge flaw plus minor ones and I'll be surprised if it isn't exploited before they're finished. Kwame Brown was tailor made for Tim to guard and the Lakers were strangely content not to force him into switches onto Odom.

I'm certainly glad we picked him up and very thankful that he's been willing to body up to the opponents bigs as much as he has but lets not confuse him with a good paint defender like KT.

The guy on the Lakers that I coveted was Turiaff - not because he's an obvious star in the making but because he's the kind of guy we could have gotten in the draft and he's strong and plays with reckless abandon. Just what we need off our bench.
 

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not because he's an obvious star in the making

Really? Star in the making? Do you mean like All star caliber? I like him a lot, but I'd say "potential nice role player in the making." I'd love to have a player like him off the bench, but I don't know if he is or will ever be starting material. But honestly I havent seen him play a whole hell of a lot, so perhaps you know more
 

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George O'Brien said:
It will be mostly up to him. He's done a lot to warrent some pretty impressive offers this summer - ones the Suns cannot afford to match. However, he's coming off a big contract that paid him $15 million this past season. Maybe money wont' be a big deal to him?

It won't be the determining factor. It will be , what role he will play with a fully loaded roster next season.

BTW - that game six shot was probobly one of the three biggest in the history of the franchise. The other two - Gar Heard of course and Barkley's shot over David Robinson to propell the Suns to the finals.

Congrats to the Suns -- WTG!
 
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MLE guys aren't typically "stars", but they are not chopped liver either.

The rotation of Stoudemire, Diaw, KT, Nash, Marion, Bell, Barbosa, and TT is is better than the one that uses Jones in place of TT. Right now Jones is somewhat better than TT on defense, but TT is a much bigger offensive threat.

As for TT's defense, he's not great but he has not really played a huge amount on the inside. I suspect he could become at least as good as Robert Horry and probably a lot better because he's younger and more athletic.

Clearly the Clipper series will be important in our evaluation of him, but against the Lakers TT averaged 15.6 ppg in 28.6 minutes, shot 53.3% and 47.1% for three, had 7.9 rpg. He led the team in steals per minute during the playoffs.

BTW, I'm not worried about TT's minutes if the Suns keep him. The Suns are loaded wiith guys who like TT who can play multiple positions. For example, if TT is used on the inside, it might be that the Suns would use Boris at PG more.
 

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If TT can rebound and shoot in the playoffs like he has so far this year he is clearly worth it to a team looking to try and play deep into June.

He hasn't shown quite the Suns style passing yet but it seems to me he is improving. I can actually recall an assist recently.


The most important thing is TT says he wants to come back.

Now we get to see how bad the Suns want that to happen.
 

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Gambo and Ash talked about it quite a bit on Friday. I don't know how good their sources are (but have been pretty good this past year or so), but they were saying the Suns really want him back.

I'm not sure how much of their cap analysis is based on real information, but their views that the Suns would have to trade Jones and get Grant to retire are almost a given. The rest of their discussion about other players they might let go aren't really relevant because House, Burke, Skita, and Thompson are all minimum guys anyway.
 

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Gambo and Ash talked about it quite a bit on Friday. I don't know how good their sources are (but have been pretty good this past year or so), but they were saying the Suns really want him back.

I'm not sure how much of their cap analysis is based on real information, but their views that the Suns would have to trade Jones and get Grant to retire are almost a given. The rest of their discussion about other players they might let go aren't really relevant because House, Burke, Skita, and Thompson are all minimum guys anyway.

Yes but not really for next year.

The season after is the dangerous one financially.

As long as TT is signed to a reasonable contract they have a lot of options and choices next summer. Including the bi-annual exception.

It will be interesting to see how this series plays out for determining the value of Thomas and Radmanovich for this summer.
 

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Funny you should mention Rad. Rad has been a big deal for the Clippers, but TT has been better.

Radmanovic

Season: 10.7 ppg, 41.6% and 41.8% for three 4.9 rpg
Playoffs: 7.2 ppg, 40% and 38.9% for three, 4.4 rpg

Tim Thomas

Season: 11.0 ppg, 43.5% and 42.9% for three, 4.9 rpg
Playoffs: 16.2 ppg, 52.3% and 51.6% for three, 8.2 rpg

:thumbup:
 

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HooverDam, "Really? Star in the making? Do you mean like All star caliber? I like him a lot, but I'd say "potential nice role player in the making." I'd love to have a player like him off the bench, but I don't know if he is or will ever be starting material. But honestly I havent seen him play a whole hell of a lot, so perhaps you know more"

Sorry about the way I worded that - I meant that I did not see Turiaf as a star in the making.
 

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HooverDam said:
If the Suns were healthy the line up would be:
KT
Amare
Marion
Bell
Nash

With:
Diaw (6th man, can play any position and come in for whoever needs rest/is in foul trouble)
Barbosa
T.Thomas
Diaw is too good not to start. Just look at what he's done in the playoffs. He could be an all-star as early as next season.
 

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Diaw is too good not to start. Just look at what he's done in the playoffs. He could be an all-star as early as next season.

Well the reason I like Diaw off the bench is because he's the most versatile. he can come in for whoever needs a break first. KT in foul trouble? Put in Boris. Bell gone cold? Put in Boris. Nash turning it over too much? Put in Boris. I like starting w/ KT, he can slow teams inside, get boards and kick it out down the court. He also makes a great trailer.
 

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I think Diaw off the bench makes the most sense since he is so versatile. He could easily rack up the 6th Man Award next year!
 
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