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I am almost as pleased with the number and quality of the UDFA's we signed as the draft itself.

As someone who regularly sat up until 3 AM CST watching Hawaii play TechState-LittleRock or whoever it was, I saw this fella play about 20 times. He can and did literally throw the ball all over the place with extreme accuracy. I would not be surprised that with some time on the practice squad and a year in NFLE he might just make it in the NFL.

It'll be interesting to see him get some reps during the pre-season. Goodbye Chris Lewis and Nevarre had better rent, not buy.
 

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The analyst from the NFL channel thought very highly of Chang...said he would expect him to make the final roster or the PS...I don't know...Warner, McCown, Navarre, Lewis, and Chang...someone won't survive...
 

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Timmy Chang really grew this last season as a player. Look at the improvement in his TD to INT ratio between his year and last. The kid can throw the ball deep and throw it well. He knows how to make all the reads. June Jones taught this kid for five years. To say he sucks is a bit premature. I say let him, Navarre, and Lewis go at it during training camp. I see him at least making the practice squad.
 

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I saw three Hawaiian games in 2004 and talked to a lot of Hawaiians whille watching. They all said that Chang became more polished each year. They also said the 'kid' has heart. It's the first time I heard anybody use the word heart at a sportscasino when talking about a football player. (IMO) a previous poster gave the most accurate description --- "Timmy Chang is a poor man's Jake Plummer." Chang does have one atrribute that Jake lacked, Chang learns very quickly.

If Chang can handle NFL hitting, he should do fine. At minimum he should make the PS.
 
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RedStripe27 said:
Tiimmy Chang sucks. No way he becomes our third string QB. Timmy Chang better rent, not buy.


"I would not be surprised that with some time on the practice squad and a year in NFLE he might just make it in the NFL"

Did you miss this?
 

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Chang is NFL Europe talent.

So was Kurt Warner at one point. Now, I know absolutely nothing about this guy, but I must say it might do us all good not to pigeon-hole somebody until you actually see what they can do with some solid NFL training and experience.

Just a thought.
 

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Saw him. Yawned.

Maybe Dennis, Rod and Keith see something in the kid they think they can work with to bring him up to NFL standards.
 

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Here is an analysis from nfl.com:

Chang is a lean, but athletic passer with a very quick release. He is at his best in the underneath passing game, but needs to do a better job of setting his feet. He operates mostly out of the shotgun and has inconsistent mechanics and rarely employs the same throwing motion. Chang has the ability to recognize coverages, but is a marginal progression reader who carries the ball too low when on the move and this effects his accuracy. When he sets his feet in the pocket, he throws a tight spiral with good velocity. But when he tries to throw on the rollout, his balls sail or skip to the receiver.

He has the speed and balance to avoid the pass rush and buy time and will step up in the pocket, but will get a little antsy and not let the routes finish before putting the ball away and running with it. He has adequate arm strength to throw deep, but routinely makes his receivers adjust downfield. Chang plays with poise, but will flush too early and spends too much time locking on to his primary target rather than scan the field. He has a quick flick to release the ball, but his delivery and touch are erratic. Too often, Chang will force the ball into traffic, as he rarely seems to check down. While his release is quick, he just seems to lack solid throwing techniques (will release from the hips too much).

Because he is under constant pressure, he does not spend much time reading the defenses and can be fooled by disguised coverages. When this happens, he tries to rely on his foot speed and will either roll out and throw the ball up for grabs or leave the pocket too early and try to run with the ball. Timmy has good timed speed and shows athleticism running with the ball. He does a good job of securing the ball before running from pressure, but shows marginal accuracy throwing on the move.

Maturity issues arose in the past and he has been benched several times for ineffective play. He is a decent worker, but lacks the leadership skills and seems to shy away from the spotlight. He does not have great command in the huddle, and while he can throw the ball deep, lacks accuracy and touch. He will elude pressure with his lateral slide, but does not square his shoulders consistently to throw on the run. His frame might not be strong enough to withstand punishment at the NFL level, but he has little room to add more bulk.

Operating out of the shotgun, it is difficult to see if he has the foot quickness to drive away from center to get to his set point. In limited chances to see him line up under center, he looks like he drifts in the pocket. He might be better suited playing north of the border in Canada or in the Arena League. Chang could stick as a backup in the NFL, but he would have to operate in a West Coast offense, so not to expose his accuracy problems with the deep ball.
 

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Hard Hittin Adrian said:
Green said earlier 4 QB's

Everyone has 4 now, the NFL has a special exemption that allows you to carry a 4th without other teams being able to steal him off the PS.

I'd be surprised if Chang beats out Lewis, not that I think much of Lewis I don't, but they're fairly similar players, Lewis has played for Green already, and there's the Stanford thing. Chang will have to be clearly better than Lewis to get that job away from him.
 

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Chang was a four-year starter for the Rainbow Warriors. I watched him play frequently on FSW2. He is prone to turnovers (but who isn't when you pass 77 times a game). He has a strong arm, fairly adequate accuracy, and seems to bounce back after hits. He carried a late round draft grade and certainly knows the passing game. His biggest challenge will be lining up behind center and not the shotgun (98%) of the time. He is a good practice squad type player who with good coaching, film study, and repititions could develop at least into a decent number #2 in a couple of years. McCown will be let go after this season, Warner is on a one-year contract, Navarre will be here at least three more seasons, so signing Chang to a two-year contract means the team is committed to his development. If Warner excels (I sure hope he does), then the QB tandem in '06 will be Warner-Navarre-Chang. This will keep the Cards from having to draft a QB high in the draft and then sitting him on a bench drawing a big salary with no immediate dividends. No coach wants to develop a QB for the next coach!
 

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DG not drafting a QB tells me a lot about his take on our QB situation. Everyone knows that Warner is not a solution beyond one or two seasons. Drafting a QB would let McCown and Navarre know that their future is not with the Cardinals. Not drafting a QB tells me that DG thinks either McCown or Navarre is the QB of the future. Warner is a great mentor. Maybe, just maybe, DG thinks McCown will get it with his tutelage. :shrug:
 

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Timmy Chang is going to have a great career.


In the Arena Football League. :thumbup:

C'mon guys, get real. Leckey isn't ever going to be better than a backup/special teams player. Antonio Smith likely won't be, either.

McCoy probably will never crack the starting lineup; if history serves, he'll probably be out of the NFL in two years. Lance Mitchell, in all likelihood, will be a good special teams performer for the life of his contract--if he stays healthy. He does not project into the starting lineup.

Timmy Chang probably won't make it through training camp. If he does, he'll never see the playing field. If you see Chang on the turf when the clock is running, it's probably a bad sign. Let's just hope that he doesn't lead anyone into big hits in training camp before he's inevitably cut.
 

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Renz said:
Here is an analysis from nfl.com:

Chang is a lean, but athletic passer with a very quick release. He is at his best in the underneath passing game, but needs to do a better job of setting his feet. He operates mostly out of the shotgun and has inconsistent mechanics and rarely employs the same throwing motion. Chang has the ability to recognize coverages, but is a marginal progression reader who carries the ball too low when on the move and this effects his accuracy. When he sets his feet in the pocket, he throws a tight spiral with good velocity. But when he tries to throw on the rollout, his balls sail or skip to the receiver.

He has the speed and balance to avoid the pass rush and buy time and will step up in the pocket, but will get a little antsy and not let the routes finish before putting the ball away and running with it. He has adequate arm strength to throw deep, but routinely makes his receivers adjust downfield. Chang plays with poise, but will flush too early and spends too much time locking on to his primary target rather than scan the field. He has a quick flick to release the ball, but his delivery and touch are erratic. Too often, Chang will force the ball into traffic, as he rarely seems to check down. While his release is quick, he just seems to lack solid throwing techniques (will release from the hips too much).

Because he is under constant pressure, he does not spend much time reading the defenses and can be fooled by disguised coverages. When this happens, he tries to rely on his foot speed and will either roll out and throw the ball up for grabs or leave the pocket too early and try to run with the ball. Timmy has good timed speed and shows athleticism running with the ball. He does a good job of securing the ball before running from pressure, but shows marginal accuracy throwing on the move.

Maturity issues arose in the past and he has been benched several times for ineffective play. He is a decent worker, but lacks the leadership skills and seems to shy away from the spotlight. He does not have great command in the huddle, and while he can throw the ball deep, lacks accuracy and touch. He will elude pressure with his lateral slide, but does not square his shoulders consistently to throw on the run. His frame might not be strong enough to withstand punishment at the NFL level, but he has little room to add more bulk.

Operating out of the shotgun, it is difficult to see if he has the foot quickness to drive away from center to get to his set point. In limited chances to see him line up under center, he looks like he drifts in the pocket. He might be better suited playing north of the border in Canada or in the Arena League. Chang could stick as a backup in the NFL, but he would have to operate in a West Coast offense, so not to expose his accuracy problems with the deep ball.

Almost sounds like they were talking about Alex Smith before I reallized that they were talking about Chang...!!! Go figure.

I agree more along the lines of Vince56; give the kid some time and chance.

Bobcat :shrug:
 

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kerouac9 said:
Timmy Chang is going to have a great career.


In the Arena Football League. :thumbup:

C'mon guys, get real. Leckey isn't ever going to be better than a backup/special teams player. Antonio Smith likely won't be, either.

McCoy probably will never crack the starting lineup; if history serves, he'll probably be out of the NFL in two years. Lance Mitchell, in all likelihood, will be a good special teams performer for the life of his contract--if he stays healthy. He does not project into the starting lineup.

Timmy Chang probably won't make it through training camp. If he does, he'll never see the playing field. If you see Chang on the turf when the clock is running, it's probably a bad sign. Let's just hope that he doesn't lead anyone into big hits in training camp before he's inevitably cut.

I really hope the Cardinals no longer need the second day picks and non-darfted free agents to perform right away. They will last or they won't. It just seems like in the past that way too many late rounders were made starters by default and not by talent and/ or performance.
 

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DG not drafting a QB tells me a lot about his take on our QB situation. Everyone knows that Warner is not a solution beyond one or two seasons. Drafting a QB would let McCown and Navarre know that their future is not with the Cardinals. Not drafting a QB tells me that DG thinks either McCown or Navarre is the QB of the future. Warner is a great mentor. Maybe, just maybe, DG thinks McCown will get it with his tutelage. :shrug:

I absolutely agree.
 

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Ohio Cards Fan said:
DG not drafting a QB tells me a lot about his take on our QB situation. Everyone knows that Warner is not a solution beyond one or two seasons. Drafting a QB would let McCown and Navarre know that their future is not with the Cardinals. Not drafting a QB tells me that DG thinks either McCown or Navarre is the QB of the future. Warner is a great mentor. Maybe, just maybe, DG thinks McCown will get it with his tutelage. :shrug:

Why McCown? Why not Navarre? Under your theory, that is.
 

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Stout said:
Why McCown? Why not Navarre? Under your theory, that is.

As a huge Buckeyes fan, I watch every second of every game. As you all know, the Ohio St./Michigan rivalry is possibly the biggest in all of sports. I pay close attention to all of the Michigan games as well. I've watched Navarre a lot throughout his career. He just doesn't have it. I know a lot of Michigan fans who were glad to see him graduate. Man, I would LOVE to eat crow on this, but my theory in no way includes Navarre.
 

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Warner is a bandaid. McCown doesn't have it. Navarre has all the physical tools to play, he just doesn't have what it takes to succeed in the NFL. We draft a QB next year when the talent pool is a little stronger. DG made the right decision - at least on paper. And yes by most accounts most Michigan fans were happy to see Navarre leave...that should tell you something.
 

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As a huge Buckeyes fan, I watch every second of every game. As you all know, the Ohio St./Michigan rivalry is possibly the biggest in all of sports. I pay close attention to all of the Michigan games as well. I've watched Navarre a lot throughout his career. He just doesn't have it. I know a lot of Michigan fans who were glad to see him graduate. Man, I would LOVE to eat crow on this, but my theory in no way includes Navarre.

Then, IMO, I must conclude your theory bunk. I've seen plenty of McCown, and in no way do I think he is the QBOF. He has a chance, albeit a slim one, of being a career backup, but nothing more, IMO.
 

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Then, IMO, I must conclude your theory bunk. I've seen plenty of McCown, and in no way do I think he is the QBOF. He has a chance, albeit a slim one, of being a career backup, but nothing more, IMO.

I didn't say that I think he is the QB of the future either. I simply said maybe Green still thinks so...and that is all that matters. Not what you or I think. I'm just trying to provide some insight into what Green might be thinking.
 
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