TJ's Deal With the Seahawks Sets Boldin's Market Value

[WolverineCard]

I'm not saying that the Cardinals should give Q a TJ deal (5 years 40 million/ 15 million quaranteed) but they are both upper echelon player's. Q cannot realistically expect to get more than that.

 

[the_future23]

Boldin can probably get 5/$45 and $20 guaranteed. Boldin is much better than Whoseyourmomma.

 

[splitsecond]

regardless of length around 9m a year is probably more than fair for Q.

 

[Shane]

TJ isnt as good as Q. It just shows Q if traded may sign a Fitz type contract if thats what a slow 32 year old WR can garner.

 

[moklerman]

I'm sure many have said it, and I'd hate for the Cardinals to lose Boldin but there is no better time than now for the Cardinals AND Boldin to get the most value for his services. This is an extremely weak FA WR market and there is no way the Cardinals are going to be able to re-structure Boldin.

They could sit on him but if they could get a 2nd rounder and ? it might be the right time to do it. With all the other contracts they need to take care of, 2nd round type draft picks might be the best way to round out the roster.

 

[DoTheDew]

I'm sure many have said it, and I'd hate for the Cardinals to lose Boldin but there is no better time than now for the Cardinals AND Boldin to get the most value for his services. This is an extremely weak FA WR market and there is no way the Cardinals are going to be able to re-structure Boldin.

They could sit on him but if they could get a 2nd rounder and ? it might be the right time to do it. With all the other contracts they need to take care of, 2nd round type draft picks might be the best way to round out the roster.

A 2nd rounder for a guy who makes the pro bowl almost every year and is still in his prime? Anything less then a first and I just keep Boldin.

 

[conraddobler]

A 2nd rounder for a guy who makes the pro bowl almost every year and is still in his prime? Anything less then a first and I just keep Boldin.

Yep.

You are never going to replace Boldin with a 2nd round pick, even though he was one the odds are long at hitting the jackpot like that again.

I'd tell his agent the same thing, I'd tell him help me figure out a team that will pay that or he's going to rot because you can't hold me hostage and then claim he's not worth at least that, and if we get no takers then maybe you're just full of it on your demands.

 

[moklerman]

A 2nd rounder for a guy who makes the pro bowl almost every year and is still in his prime? Anything less then a first and I just keep Boldin.

Who was the last WR to get traded for a 1st round pick? Last player? 1st round picks don't get traded too often.

I agree that the Cardinals hold all the cards but just because he's under contract doesn't mean he won't be a distraction and it doesn't mean that he's going to be mentally 100% , no matter how professional he tries to be.

I think it's a really tough call because I wouldn't cater to a players demands if I was a GM but this whole situation is only going to degrade. What's that saying? Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The Cardinals won't trade him so Boldin will continue to be mad. Boldin will reject whatever re-structure that they offer him so the Cardinals will be mad. The Cardinals still won't trade him and cut off contract talks so Boldin will get more mad. Boldin will threaten to hold out and the Cardinals will get even more mad. Cardinals will start fining him and forcing him to show up and Boldin will get mad again. Boldin will start coming up with hamstring or back injuries that can't be conclusively denied so he doesn't have to play but still get's paid. And on and on it will go.

Wouldn't a good trade for picks now be better than waiting until the hypothetical actually happens and every team in the league knows that the Cardinals have no leverage in a trade?

They don't have to do anything at all and could just stand pat but I really don't think that's going to work out well.

 

[Shane]

Who was the last WR to get traded for a 1st round pick? Last player? 1st round picks don't get traded too often.

I agree that the Cardinals hold all the cards but just because he's under contract doesn't mean he won't be a distraction and it doesn't mean that he's going to be mentally 100% , no matter how professional he tries to be.

I think it's a really tough call because I wouldn't cater to a players demands if I was a GM but this whole situation is only going to degrade. What's that saying? Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The Cardinals won't trade him so Boldin will continue to be mad. Boldin will reject whatever re-structure that they offer him so the Cardinals will be mad. The Cardinals still won't trade him and cut off contract talks so Boldin will get more mad. Boldin will threaten to hold out and the Cardinals will get even more mad. Cardinals will start fining him and forcing him to show up and Boldin will get mad again. Boldin will start coming up with hamstring or back injuries that can't be conclusively denied so he doesn't have to play but still get's paid. And on and on it will go.

Wouldn't a good trade for picks now be better than waiting until the hypothetical actually happens and every team in the league knows that the Cardinals have no leverage in a trade?

They don't have to do anything at all and could just stand pat but I really don't think that's going to work out well.

mokler Roy Williams last year was traded to the Cowboys for a 1st a 3rd and a 6th. Roy williams is nowhere near the WR Boldin is FYI. The bar has been set.

 

[PJ1]

Trading Boldin for a second round pick would be insane. A first round pick + or no deal.

 

[moklerman]

mokler Roy Williams last year was traded to the Cowboys for a 1st a 3rd and a 6th. Roy williams is nowhere near the WR Boldin is FYI. The bar has been set.

I'm not disagreeing with you that Boldin is "worth" more than a 2nd I'm just saying what I think they could realistically expect in a trade if they did it right now. I don't think a potential trade will get more valuable next year so now would be the time if they were going to do it.

It's very possible the Cardinals will just keep him until his contract runs out and then not re-sign him but those two unhappy years and no compensation doesn't compare to whatever they could get for him now, even if it's lower than what they "should" get.

Do you really think the Roy Williams deal sets the bar or will just be an anomally? The Herschel Walker deal didn't establish any kind of standard for RB trades and I think this deal is much like that. The Lions, who I still have a hard time taking too seriously, have actually been making some pretty decent moves since last year. I'm not exactly sure why Dallas is so interested in adopting ex-Lions but they have now overpaid(just a "slight" understatement) for Roy Williams and gone out and signed Jon Kitna(?!?). I mean, if Romo goes down we're looking at the Dallas Lions on offense.

Back to the Roy Williams trade for a second, if that is the "bar" and Boldin (and many other WR's) are better than Williams, it isn't really realisic to expect a good WR to cost "more" than a 1st, 3rd and 6th is it?

 

[Shane]

Back to the Roy Williams trade for a second, if that is the "bar" and Boldin (and many other WR's) are better than Williams, it isn't really realisic to expect a good WR to cost "more" than a 1st, 3rd and 6th is it?

Maybe not more. But at least equal. If someone doesnt want to offer a 1st and a 3rd minimum then the Cards need to sit on him.

 

[moklerman]

Trading Boldin for a second round pick would be insane. A first round pick + or no deal.

It just depends on the money that Arizona wants to spend. What if they were offered a 2nd and a 3rd in this year's draft? Both of those spots could realistically be expected to make the team, contribute and be solid and be very affordable.

There have been a few articles saying that's why NE may have taken a high 2nd for Cassel/Vrabel by design. They don't want the high priced 1st rounders the want more of the affordable 2nd rounders that can be valuable for their entire rookie contract without costing a ton of money. If they outperform their deal by too much, the rinse and repeat. Trade the emerging stud for some more 2nd round type picks and continue the program.

Cardinals might be able to take advantage of the same type of thing in this case. Boldin hasn't cost them a lot of money and with the good drafts they've been having, an affordable 2nd and 3rd(or whatever) might pay more dividends toward success over getting some team's 1st. Easier and cheaper to sign while still having a good chance of contributing.

 

[bg7brd]

It just depends on the money that Arizona wants to spend. What if they were offered a 2nd and a 3rd in this year's draft? Both of those spots could realistically be expected to make the team, contribute and be solid and be very affordable.

There have been a few articles saying that's why NE may have taken a high 2nd for Cassel/Vrabel by design. They don't want the high priced 1st rounders the want more of the affordable 2nd rounders that can be valuable for their entire rookie contract without costing a ton of money. If they outperform their deal by too much, the rinse and repeat. Trade the emerging stud for some more 2nd round type picks and continue the program.

Cardinals might be able to take advantage of the same type of thing in this case. Boldin hasn't cost them a lot of money and with the good drafts they've been having, an affordable 2nd and 3rd(or whatever) might pay more dividends toward success over getting some team's 1st. Easier and cheaper to sign while still having a good chance of contributing.

Surely Q is worth more than a CHANCE on a 2nd and 3rd round pick. If thats all we get then I say make him an offer he won't refuse. Pro Bowl players of Q's calibur are rare and you don't give them away.

 

[moklerman]

Surely Q is worth more than a CHANCE on a 2nd and 3rd round pick. If thats all we get then I say make him an offer he won't refuse. Pro Bowl players of Q's calibur are rare and you don't give them away.

Well, that's what I'm afraid of ultimately happening. Like I said, I realize whatever the Cards could get right now would seem low compensation but in the long run, it's going to be a lot more than if they just let his contract play out.

I'm still unsure if the Cardinals even can offer him something he can't refuse. Will he accept anything less than Fitz's deal? Could the Cardinals handle that? If they do pay Q and Fitz are they able to keep Warner or even Leinart once his contract balloons? Graves is going to have to earn his money that's for sure.

 

[Totally_Red]

Who was the last WR to get traded for a 1st round pick? Last player? 1st round picks don't get traded too often.

I agree that the Cardinals hold all the cards but just because he's under contract doesn't mean he won't be a distraction and it doesn't mean that he's going to be mentally 100% , no matter how professional he tries to be.

I think it's a really tough call because I wouldn't cater to a players demands if I was a GM but this whole situation is only going to degrade. What's that saying? Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The Cardinals won't trade him so Boldin will continue to be mad. Boldin will reject whatever re-structure that they offer him so the Cardinals will be mad. The Cardinals still won't trade him and cut off contract talks so Boldin will get more mad. Boldin will threaten to hold out and the Cardinals will get even more mad. Cardinals will start fining him and forcing him to show up and Boldin will get mad again. Boldin will start coming up with hamstring or back injuries that can't be conclusively denied so he doesn't have to play but still get's paid. And on and on it will go.

Wouldn't a good trade for picks now be better than waiting until the hypothetical actually happens and every team in the league knows that the Cardinals have no leverage in a trade?

They don't have to do anything at all and could just stand pat but I really don't think that's going to work out well.

Seattle gave up a first for a MUCH lesser talent in Deon Branch from New England. The Cardinals would laugh at a trade offer without a #1 included.

 

[devilalum]

Who was the last WR to get traded for a 1st round pick? Last player? 1st round picks don't get traded too often.

The Cards traded a mid first rounder for Rob Moore.

 

[Garthshort]

Last WR traded for a first rounder? Roy Williams doesn't count, as the question should have been, who was the last WR traded for a first rounder when the owner wasn't an idiot?

 

[Vermont Maverick]

Last WR traded for a first rounder? Roy Williams doesn't count, as the question should have been, who was the last WR traded for a first rounder when the owner wasn't an idiot?

Bingo

st and 3rd is a pipe dream.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Who was the last WR to get traded for a 1st round pick? Last player? 1st round picks don't get traded too often.

I agree that the Cardinals hold all the cards but just because he's under contract doesn't mean he won't be a distraction and it doesn't mean that he's going to be mentally 100% , no matter how professional he tries to be.

I think it's a really tough call because I wouldn't cater to a players demands if I was a GM but this whole situation is only going to degrade. What's that saying? Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The Cardinals won't trade him so Boldin will continue to be mad. Boldin will reject whatever re-structure that they offer him so the Cardinals will be mad. The Cardinals still won't trade him and cut off contract talks so Boldin will get more mad. Boldin will threaten to hold out and the Cardinals will get even more mad. Cardinals will start fining him and forcing him to show up and Boldin will get mad again. Boldin will start coming up with hamstring or back injuries that can't be conclusively denied so he doesn't have to play but still get's paid. And on and on it will go.

Wouldn't a good trade for picks now be better than waiting until the hypothetical actually happens and every team in the league knows that the Cardinals have no leverage in a trade?

They don't have to do anything at all and could just stand pat but I really don't think that's going to work out well.

If Q starts having all of these "problems" it will only dimish his worth if or when he becomes a free agent. He doesn't have a whole lot of choice then to give 100% if he wants that next big pay day. Even if he gets trade there is no guarantee he'll get a new deal.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Last WR traded for a first rounder? Roy Williams doesn't count, as the question should have been, who was the last WR traded for a first rounder when the owner wasn't an idiot?

Bingo

st and 3rd is a pipe dream.

Completely disagree.

Philly has 2 1st round picks this year. You don't think that they wouldn't give up one of them along with a 3rd round pick for Boldin?

I wouldn't be surprised if Philly gave up a 1st this year and a 1st next year for Boldin if we really put him on the block.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

Completely disagree.

Philly has 2 1st round picks this year. You don't think that they wouldn't give up one of them along with a 3rd round pick for Boldin?

I wouldn't be surprised if Philly gave up a 1st this year and a 1st next year for Boldin if we really put him on the block.

Remember that we all overvalue our own players. Remember that Philly has to immediately pay Anquan Market value. So it's market value plus a first round pick. We're not getting a third as well. We're definitely not getting another first next year. Because they have two firsts, they can afford that. The question becomes, can we get 21 (ironically where we would have picked had we lost the championship game) or 28.

The Pats only got a high second for a potentially very good QB. Obviously Cassell hasn't done what Anquan has, but he is a QB who had a very good year. Teams take more chances on QBs.

If you're right, I'll happily eat crow, because I'm not sure about giving up Quan for a first only, but I think that's the deal. Maybe Philly gets desperate, who knows.

 

[WildBB]

I've said all along that if they re-do Boldin, it would take 5/40M and 16-20 Guaranteed. That falls right in line with what Whosyourmaamma got.

 

[football karma]

what is it about the Seahawks that makes them habitually pay #2 WR like they are #1 WRs?
-- Branch, Burelson and now TJ (at age 31 no less!)

 

[joeshmo]

Boldin can probably get 5/$45 and $20 guaranteed. Boldin is much better than Whoseyourmomma.

Thats just bias talking. Besides age their stat lines are almost identical over the last 3 years. Boldin is awesome but lets not let our Cards bias get in the way here. A little better and an arguement can be made, but MUCH better, that just cant be argued IMO.