Top 10 Worries and Reasons for Excitement

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Top 10 Worries:

1. BA's ego has become larger than the team itself.

2. BA's stubbornness and favoritism has created a set of double standards that could irreparably damage the morale and unity of the team.

3. BA's recklessness on offense --- puts players in harm's way, far too often. The 0 backfields and minimal pass protections renders an immobile QB like Carson Palmer a sitting duck. The refusal to offer All-Pro RB David Johnson a fullback to protect him from those big first hits from penetrating DTs, DEs and blitzing LBers is going to either knock Johnson out of the lineup or take away some of his aggressiveness. Not that BA has to use a FB all the time...but at least part of the time in order to keep Johnson protected as much as possible. And BA's propensity to throw WR quick hitches exposes his WRs to a greater pounding that wears them down physically. In Indy, when BA moved Reggie Wayne inside, Wayne was productive but the pounding he took knocked him into retirement and it looks like the same thing will now happen with Larry Fitzgerald.

4. Carson Palmer still has the talent to be superb, but BA's offense, other than the play action passes and a few of the regular 3-5 step drop passes do not cater to Palmer's strengths. Palmer is at his best when he can let plays develop. He's not a quick twitch QB who can make split second reads and get rid of the ball on a dime...and yet because of minimal pass protections and BA's constant urging for Palmer to get rid of the ball. it speeds up Palmer's clock and that's when he forced passes into coverage or blindly throwing to spots. Sometimes Palmer would be better off taking a sack than to try to force every play, but he's not coached that way...which is why Palmer tries to do way too much under pressure and remains turnover prone.

5. The offense doesn't look like fun anymore...the players look programmed and wound up way too tight. Plus, the offense has become way too predictable, especially when almost every play is snapped on the first hut...what an advantage that is for the defense.

6. On defense, James Bettcher has not instilled the kind of position discipline that great teams have, nor has he developed a culture for good, aggressive, fundamental tackling. For these two reasons, the Cardinals give away way too many plays to the opposition, especially in key situations and especially when the Cardinals need key stops in the 4th quarter of close games.

7. The in-game and halftime adjustments from Bettcher and his staff are too little, too late...which is a tell-tale sign of inexperience.

8. Amos Jones is quite possibly the most ineffective STs coordinator in the NFL. The STs under Jones are typically disorganized, passive and penalty prone. Under pressure they consistently wilt. Conversely, they don't put pressure on the opponents. When was the last time the Cardinals blocked a punt? When was the last time the Cardinals scored on a punt return?

9. The Cardinals' players continue to lead the NFL in self-aggrandizing, self-promoting talk.

10. Steve Keim treated this off-season as a rebuild for 2018. The holes he left on this football team are glaring. Just like last year, only more so.

Top 10 reason for Excitement:

1. RB David Johnson. Worth the price of admission.
2. WR Larry Fitzgerald. Cardinals' GOAT.
3. The Cardinals young depth on the offensive line.
4. DT Robert Nkemdiche. Star potential.
5. DEs Markus Golden /Chandler Jones. One of the top pass rushing tandems in the NFL.
6. S Tyrann Mathieu. Honey Badger is back!
7. CB Patrick Peterson. Light, hungry and fast as ever.
8. S Budda Baker. Crafty playmaker.
9. LB Haason Reddick. Pass rush dynamo.
10. K Phil Dawson. Tough, consistent, determined.

Bonus Balls:

1. QB Blaine Gabbert. Possible QBOF?
2. RB Kerwynn Williams. Return man dynamo?
3. T/G John Wetzel. OL stabilizer?
4. TE Troy Niklas. Finally healthy?
5. DE Olsen Pierre. Ready to emerge?
6. $LB Deone Bucannon? Huge year?
7. CBs Justin Bethel/Brandon Williams. Ready for primetime?
8. S Tyvon Branch. The real deal this year?
9. LS Gabe Brewer. On the money this year?
10. QB Coach Byron Leftwich. Difference maker?
 

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There are so many if's with this team this year that I'm tempted to lash out at them like Jules Winfield in Pulp Fiction(I don't want to hear about no MFing ifs!) I mean:

IF we stay healthy...
IF Smoke can bounce back...
IF the O-Line can gel...
IF Palmer can stay upright...
IF we have a pass rush...
IF out ST can improve even slightly...

So many if's either way could be the difference between 11-5 and 7-9.
 

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I love how the Negatives come with full sentences and paragraphs of support, but the Positives just get a name and a couple of words...hahahahaha. At least give a full argument on both sides. You may just find that focusing more on the positive, will help you see the negative in a brighter light. Oh, and I agree with Guernsey...the BA hate is old. We get it...you no longer like him...maybe never did. The coach isn't going anywhere, unless it's on his terms.
 

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Uh, your negatives seem more passionate than your positives which is clear by your descriptions. We get it, you do not like Arians... but you need to also consider the opinions of the players on this team and the rest of the league which appreciate Arians compared to you and ask yourself why Mitch :)
 

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BA hate is really, really tiresome and pointless!
When has hate become pointing out facts. What one of those points he made was wrong? BA stubbornness is why we have Amos Jones and Betcher as coordinators who quite frankly wouldn't be coordinators on any other team. Watch a game from when Bowles was coordinator vs now, we were the best 2nd half defense in the NFL because of halftime adjustments. No search for DC was even made.

The offense is not fun and Carson does get the crap beat out of him, a lot. BA has become very salty in the media. Nobody calls him the cool uncle anymore. He calls out his players in the media for no reason. The team has regressed and BA is another 7-9 season from "retirement".

Why does BA have this untouchable quality about him to so many people. Why will he leave on his own terms as some of you said, why is he immune to what every other coach in the NFL is liable for?
 

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Only major concern is 2nd CB position

Your constant bashing of BA is beyond foolish....before you get mad...read a little

The Cardinals 100 year history before BA included very few banners and very little optimism...and maybe you are new to the team and haven't seen the down years enough. A lot of us have seen 20 years in a row where there was NO chance of even being 2nd place in the division...we are also used to hearing players talking junk about the team and wanting to be traded off and from the team. We have also seen years where the Cards couldn't get ANY solid free agent to come here without doubling the pay other teams were willing to offer.
The team has a shot under BA every year, the players love playing for him, the players give the Cardinals discounts to be here...BECAUSE they want to work with BA. BA has worked with and mentored Peyton Manning and Big Ben ...along with many more.
His track record IS success.
yea last year was a down year....but look at his overall record and you'll see

I would agree that your threads bashing BA make no sense. It sounds like the millionaire yelling about how his lobster wasn't big enough for dinner.
 
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When has hate become pointing out facts. What one of those points he made was wrong? BA stubbornness is why we have Amos Jones and Betcher as coordinators who quite frankly wouldn't be coordinators on any other team. Watch a game from when Bowles was coordinator vs now, we were the best 2nd half defense in the NFL because of halftime adjustments. No search for DC was even made.

The offense is not fun and Carson does get the crap beat out of him, a lot. BA has become very salty in the media. Nobody calls him the cool uncle anymore. He calls out his players in the media for no reason. The team has regressed and BA is another 7-9 season from "retirement".

Why does BA have this untouchable quality about him to so many people. Why will he leave on his own terms as some of you said, why is he immune to what every other coach in the NFL is liable for?

Read the other posts and check who liked yours!
 

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When has hate become pointing out facts. What one of those points he made was wrong?
Most of them.
BA stubbornness is why we have Amos Jones and Betcher as coordinators who quite frankly wouldn't be coordinators on any other team.
Agree on Jones, but Bettcher is fine.
Watch a game from when Bowles was coordinator vs now,
I think we've all been watching. There's little apreciable difference.
D ranks (yards / points)
2013: #6 / #7
2014: #24 / #5
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2015: #5 / #7
2016: #2 / #14
we were the best 2nd half defense in the NFL because of halftime adjustments.
... And guess who was responsible for halftime adjustments under Bowles? Bettcher.
The offense is not fun
Because Mitch said so? And who else?
and Carson does get the crap beat out of him, a lot.
Cardinals Team QB Sack % rank
2013: #16
2014: #12
2015: #7
2016: #18

Could be better, but... meh.
BA has become very salty in the media. Nobody calls him the cool uncle anymore.
Who cares?
He's been twice voted NFL Coach of the year - behind only Belichick among active coaches.
Why does BA have this untouchable quality about him to so many people.
Not untouchable by any means - but the whining and griping over largely imagined issues are preposterous after one barely sub-.500 season. Some people are capable of evaluating the big picture & remembering the outstanding coaching and results from 3 of his 4 seasons rather than being overwhelmed by recency bias and adopting exaggerated negative subjective opinions shared by almost no one.

That is not to say that there are zero causes for concern. If special teams continues to suck and the team finishes below .500 again & B.A. decides to retire, I won't beg him to stay.

..dbs
 

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the offense isn't fun? We must be watching different games.
Yeah, Mitch said so. And I forgot that a coach's main concern should be making sure his offense is fun.

You know what's fun? Winning. And on offense, scoring. And those also happen to be the coaches' ACTUAL responsibilities. And the Cardinals have been #2 and #6 in offensive scoring the last two years, despite all the problems (Floyd drunkenness, J. Brown & J. Brown health, O-line injuries) last year.

...dbs
 

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Mitch.....didn't read that is was you....you've been around here forever...you're one of...if not the top posters in this forum....
I think you need a drink and a smoke.
The team is poised for a great year.
 

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Holy nit-pick Nancy. The offense isn't fun anymore? Is that why these guys still jump around and get excited after a big play? People put way too much emphasis on the preseason. Last I checked...the Patriots often go 0-4 in the preseason...so don't put too much credence into games that have 0 game planning and 0 meaning. This is a talented team with a very good coaching staff, save for Jones, but that's another story. Arians has been doing this a long time, so have some faith :)
 

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WORRIES

1. Lack of a dependable playmaker at WR (Larry is still great, but doesn't scare anybody deep anymore)

2. Special Teams.... Uh!!


Excitement

1. David Johnson... Duh!

2. Playmakers at LB and Secondary. We might give up some points. TBD. But should cause many turnovers!!
 

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Hmmmmm??? I won't be so quick to call out BA on so many different points. Except for last year, (when he was obviously ill and not able to perform properly), he as been quite successful, so I will reserve judgment on him at this point. Yes, there are things about his tendencies that I don't care for, especially his tendency to be loyal to a fault toward players who have been in the fold for a while like Stanton. Since I really don't know what to expect out of this team this year, I will hold my tongue until our season shows that all of Mitch's dismay is warranted. I am pulling for success this season where last season was a failure in my estimation. This week's game against Atlanta should give us a fair idea of where we stand when facing a really good team.
 
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Mitch.....didn't read that is was you....you've been around here forever...you're one of...if not the top posters in this forum....
I think you need a drink and a smoke.
The team is poised for a great year.

I hope that my worries are just that, worries...and that I am proven incorrect on all accounts.

You're absolut-ly right, I need a drink and a smoke.

It's Friday night and I will be watching Pats/Lions, not caring one bit about the Pats, but wondering how the Cardinals match up versus the Lions in week 1.

I hope it's a great year. Thank you for the good vibes, ARZC.:newcards:
 

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Holy fragging sheep dip mitch... top 4 are all bashes on the coach...who woulda thunk it


there was once a movement to consolidate all the BA bashing threads mitch started..
I now second that motion
 

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BA hate is really, really tiresome and pointless!
I do sometimes get where Mitch is coming from. At times BA is his own worst enemy. His blind loyalty to certain players and coaches is mindboggling. I mean how Amos Jones is still employed or why he clings to Stanton like a child does to a blanky is a complete mystery.
 

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There is nothing wrong with the offense that a healthy John Brown, and good blocking from our OL won't cure.

We have the best offensive player in the league in David Johnson. Our offense will look much better once the regular season starts just because of his presence.

Palmer is still a very good qb if given time to throw.

Would I like to see more screens, throws to the tight ends, and misdirection plays, yes - but we don't know what new wrinkles BA has in store for the season yet, so we may get them.

BA has his faults that are annoying, but I still consider him a top 5 coach and can more than live with them, because his way usually works.
 

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Only major concern is 2nd CB position
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I find the Bethel bashing almost as disturbing as the BA bashing.
Prediction:
By the end of game 2, NO ONE is going to have ANY concern about CB and all the moaning will be moving on to some other position.
 

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I do sometimes get where Mitch is coming from. At times BA is his own worst enemy. His blind loyalty to certain players and coaches is mindboggling. I mean how Amos Jones is still employed or why he clings to Stanton like a child does to a blanky is a complete mystery.
I think we all understand where Mitch is coming from, we're just getting tired of the constant bashing getting rammed down our throats.
 

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