Trade Posssibility?

[Arizona's Finest]

This is my own musing but with Matt Holliday on the market would you give up a package centered around Chris Young and Jarrod Parker to get the guy?

I think he is the established bat we need and would make everyone in the line up better. I also think thats a lot to part with and doubt the Rockies would make a deal in division? But on paper it seems like a balanced trade maybe tossing in a couple other low level prospects would allow it to happen.

Any thoughts?

 

[BC867]

This is my own musing but with Matt Holliday on the market would you give up a package centered around Chris Young and Jarrod Parker to get the guy?

I think he is the established bat we need and would make everyone in the line up better. I also think thats a lot to part with and doubt the Rockies would make a deal in division? But on paper it seems like a balanced trade maybe tossing in a couple other low level prospects would allow it to happen.

Any thoughts?

As Marv Albert used to say, "Yesssssssssssssss".

 

[black]

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/trades/onblock

Pretty good article here boys.

 

[HooverDam]

Trade away the future for the chance to be bumped in the playoffs? No thanks.

Im perfectly fine with the D'backs more or less staying put and having faith in their farm system. I wish we would've done that last year and kept Carlos Quentin and not given the 'name' player Eric Byrnes a big deal.

 

[DWKB]

Assuming the trade proposed, who would play CF, Upton? He's not faring well in RF, I think CF would be a mess.

Holliday gets $13.5M next year and is a FA after.

Agent: Scott Boras

 

[BC867]

Trade away the future for the chance to be bumped in the playoffs? No thanks.

Im perfectly fine with the D'backs more or less staying put and having faith in their farm system.

Here I go again, guys.

Chris Young hits some home runs, strikes out alot and has the lowest OBP and batting average of all the starters. But Melvin won't give up forcing him to try to play against his skills by batting him leadoff.

As long as we have a technically-challenged (as well as extremely passive) Manager, what's the use of keeping young players? Or, in this case, the Chris Young player.

Recent history has shown that the future doesn't start for D'backs prospects until they are traded away.

 

[HooverDam]

Melvin may be gone by next year if he keeps coaching at around .500, which is probably the best he can do. I don't want to see the D'backs trading away guys like Upton and Young for a guy whos going to be a rental anyhow.

Now, someone I would like to see the D'backs go after is Erik Bedard up in Seattle. Seattle may start a fire sale soon, and a rotation of Webb-Haren-Bedard would be incredible. However, I don't know what the asking price would be, probably pretty high. I imagine it would be something along the lines of Chad Tracy-Emile Bonafacio-Jarrod Parker and more, which may be too stiff. But, if the D'backs think they have a chance this year or next, it could be a good deal.

 

[overseascardfan]

Melvin may be gone by next year if he keeps coaching at around .500, which is probably the best he can do. I don't want to see the D'backs trading away guys like Upton and Young for a guy whos going to be a rental anyhow.

Now, someone I would like to see the D'backs go after is Erik Bedard up in Seattle. Seattle may start a fire sale soon, and a rotation of Webb-Haren-Bedard would be incredible. However, I don't know what the asking price would be, probably pretty high. I imagine it would be something along the lines of Chad Tracy-Emile Bonafacio-Jarrod Parker and more, which may be too stiff. But, if the D'backs think they have a chance this year or next, it could be a good deal.

What I don't understand is why some teams are stealing away guys like Blanton and Harden and we would have to give up guys like Parker, Scherzer, Bonifacio and Parra for someone like Bedard who has been a bust and is on the DL and is rumored to be pursued by PHI who probably aren't going to end up giving much for him.

 

[HooverDam]

^ How has he been a bust? I dont really follow the AL closely at all, but his numbers seem pretty good, 3.67 ERA, almost a 2 to 1 strike outs to walks ratio, winning record on a terrible team. I know he's having some arm soreness issues, so that would seemingly lower the Mariners asking price in a trade. Or they'd more likely just hold onto him and ride out his contract (which I know nothing about, is it terrible? Ok? How many years left?) or trade him when he was fully healthy.

 

[Desert Rat]

Bedard (making $7M this year) ends up on the DL a bit more often than I like to see. He is having his best season, by far, however.
If they were to do some deadline shopping, I'd rather have Big Teix, but he and his $12.5M-and-rising price tag are out of the D-back's price range. Holliday absolutely is, too.
No matter who they would target, they'd have to send someone from the thinning farm system in return.

 

[BirdMan21]

Bedard (making $7M this year) ends up on the DL a bit more often than I like to see. He is having his best season, by far, however.
If they were to do some deadline shopping, I'd rather have Big Teix, but he and his $12.5M-and-rising price tag are out of the D-back's price range. Holliday absolutely is, too.
No matter who they would target, they'd have to send someone from the thinning farm system in return.

I agree that Bedard has ended up on the DL a little much for me to want to give up alot for him, but to say that this is his best season by far is just wrong. Last year Bedard had 221Ks in 182 innings with 3.16 ERA 1.09 WHIP with a .212 BAA. He had nearly a 4:1 K:BB ratio and went 13-5 on a horrible BAL team. With that being said, a rotation of Webb(R)/Bedard(L)/Haren(R) for the next 4 years would just be disgusting and we would be damn near impossible to beat in a series. But I am still in favor of getting a bigger bat over another arm. But if there aren't any bats out there, Bedard is a great, relatively young, power pitching lefty....can never have too many of those.

 

[BC867]

Is a consideration in any trade scenario the status of Eric Byrnes?

Now he's decided to rehab again and put off surgery until the end of the season.

His underperforming presence influences timing, money and moving players, as well as the ability to keep the O-Dawg beyond the end of this season.

What an albatross! *
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* The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition. 2002.

.......................albatross around one’s neck.........................

An annoying burden: “That old car is an albatross around my neck.”

Literally, an albatross is a large sea bird. The phrase alludes to Samuel Taylor Coleridge’s poem “The Rime of the Ancient Mariner,” in which a sailor who shoots a friendly albatross is forced to wear its carcass around his neck as punishment.

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Is that why we never see the other Byrnes -- Josh -- with a tie on?

 

[overseascardfan]

^ How has he been a bust? I dont really follow the AL closely at all, but his numbers seem pretty good, 3.67 ERA, almost a 2 to 1 strike outs to walks ratio, winning record on a terrible team. I know he's having some arm soreness issues, so that would seemingly lower the Mariners asking price in a trade. Or they'd more likely just hold onto him and ride out his contract (which I know nothing about, is it terrible? Ok? How many years left?) or trade him when he was fully healthy.

He is having a good year but the Mariners are going to be asking for multiple elite prospects for him to offset what they gave up to BAL. Just like Ibanez they are asking for alot, Bedard's health status is a big concern especially since it is now happening after signing a big extension, it doesn't help us if he his arm troubles continue and his K to BB ratio isn't as great as it was last year. I would rather go after a bat to help our anemic offense.

 

[HooverDam]

As far as bringing in more pitching versus bringing in more hitting, I'll almost always choose more pitching. In my opinion the D'backs offensive struggles are highly tied to their youth, I believe in most of the guys they have and I think eventually (and that may be next year for a lot of them) they'll snap out of it. It may take the firing of Bob Melvin to do that, but so be it. I wasn't expecting the D'backs to get to the World Series this year anyhow, my realistic goal was to be happy if they were over .500 and thrilled if they made the playoffs.

So, I'm perfectly happy to stockpile another young-ish arm thats under contract for a while, and make a real run next year or the year after when our hitters have matured more. Webb-Bedard-Haren would be better than Johnson/Schilling. It would be unfreakin' believable.

 

[black]

Bedard (making $7M this year) ends up on the DL a bit more often than I like to see. He is having his best season, by far, however.
If they were to do some deadline shopping, I'd rather have Big Teix, but he and his $12.5M-and-rising price tag are out of the D-back's price range. Holliday absolutely is, too.
No matter who they would target, they'd have to send someone from the thinning farm system in return.

I would put money on the Cards getting Holliday. Chris Duncan isn't getting it done, plus they have some chips on the table as far as minor leaguers.
You heard it here first.

 

[Desert Rat]

I agree that Bedard has ended up on the DL a little much for me to want to give up alot for him, but to say that this is his best season by far is just wrong. Last year Bedard had 221Ks in 182 innings with 3.16 ERA 1.09 WHIP with a .212 BAA. He had nearly a 4:1 K:BB ratio and went 13-5 on a horrible BAL team. With that being said, a rotation of Webb(R)/Bedard(L)/Haren(R) for the next 4 years would just be disgusting and we would be damn near impossible to beat in a series. But I am still in favor of getting a bigger bat over another arm. But if there aren't any bats out there, Bedard is a great, relatively young, power pitching lefty....can never have too many of those.

You are 100% right, I was looking at his 2007 stats.

 

[overseascardfan]

The latest rumor is that the D'Backs have interest in Texiera (sp??). Both Buster Olney and Peter Gammons say that it makes sense considering we need a bat. Gammons stated that the D'Backs would not give up a guy like CoJack and that a package of Tracy, RHP Jarrod Parker and another minor leaguer may get the Braves attention.

It wouldn't be a bad idea because we would lose Texiera but recieve 2 supplemental picks as compensation and take a page out of MIL's book with Sabathia.

 

[Lefty]

The latest rumor is that the D'Backs have interest in Texiera (sp??). Both Buster Olney and Peter Gammons say that it makes sense considering we need a bat. Gammons stated that the D'Backs would not give up a guy like CoJack and that a package of Tracy, RHP Jarrod Parker and another minor leaguer may get the Braves attention.

It wouldn't be a bad idea because we would lose Texiera but recieve 2 supplemental picks as compensation and take a page out of MIL's book with Sabathia.

That would be a horrible trade for the Diamondbacks if they only get him for two months.

 

[overseascardfan]

That would be a horrible trade for the Diamondbacks if they only get him for two months.

No disrepect and all but what would you suggest we offer?

I wouldn't want to part with Parker but is there someone else in our system the Braves would accept, fortunately for us their asking price can't be that high as we are really the only team with real interest in Teixiera as ANA will not give up Kotchman and NYY seems to be looking at Nady and other second tier bats.

 

[Lefty]

No disrepect and all but what would you suggest we offer?

I wouldn't want to part with Parker but is there someone else in our system the Braves would accept, fortunately for us their asking price can't be that high as we are really the only team with real interest in Teixiera as ANA will not give up Kotchman and NYY seems to be looking at Nady and other second tier bats.

I don't want him because he will only be here for two months. It is well known he wants to play in Baltimore next year, so why give away three guys?

We would not be talking about this if the front office didn't sign Eric Byrnes. It's amazing how much of an effect that signing has had on this team and its future.

I say let Upton play when he gets back. It's not like this team has one of the best records in baseball. I would rather watch Justin than see Teixeira play and leave at the end of the season.

 

[HooverDam]

That would be a horrible trade for the Diamondbacks if they only get him for two months.

Agreed, I'd rather the D'backs miss the playoffs this year then do a trade as dumb as that.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I by no means, under any circumstance, advocate trading top prospects for a 2 month rental player.

Texiera, by all accounts, is asking for 16-17 million per season and that's a low ended rumor. That type of money far exceeds Arizona's budget demands. The idea of "draft picks" doesn't appeal me much either. This isn't football, where draft picks are capable of making the immediate impact everyone here seems to hope for are slim. The Evan Longorias and Ryan Zimmermans of this world are rare.

Granted, Parker's clearly got a lot of development yet to do. However, he already has one year under his belt and he's shown something worth keeping on to.

I also say no to Holliday for the contractual reasons mentioned above. Granted, Arizona may have the ability to keep him longer than two months, however there's a very good reason Colorado's shopping him. He may ask for more than Texiera on the open market. There's no way in HELL I favor trading CY for him.

 

[PDXChris]

Bill Lewis is a tool

Bill Lewis is filling in for Wolfley on 620 this morning and said that the reason the D-Backs should trade for Teixeira is because no one on the team strikes fear into pitchers becuase of his 20 HRers and 77 RBI's. Mark Reynolds has 21 HRs and 66 RBI's and has scored 65 Runs and also has a .494 SLG, while Teixeira's is .507, not much of a difference. Teixeira also has scored less runs with 63. As Mark has done that with 30 less AB's. I am not saying Mark is better, but to say we need Teixeira because there is no HR threat on this team is stupid, now if he had said we need more power or fear, I could take that. IMO, since Atlanta was Connor and a top prospect, I will pass, Tracey for the month of July(which is all you really judge since he did not have spring training and was still a bit gimpy) is batting .375 with 2 HR's and 16 RBI's in only 64, while Teixeria is batting .284 with 4HR's and 15 RBI's in 74 AB's. We need someone in the Outfield like a Jason Bay. Almost the exact same numbers as Teixeria, only a year older and much cheaper. The question is then, who do you give up? Tracey and Parker? Is that too much? I might do it for Bay.

 

[JS22]

If the DBacks trade Jackson for Teixeira I may go insane. I wouldn't even trade Tracy / Parker for him. Teixeira is a 2 month rent-a-player.

If the DBacks can't sign Hudson then why not just move Drew to 2B and put Upton back at his natural position of SS?

LF - Jackson
CF - Young
RF - Byrnes (ugh)

3B - Reynolds
SS - Upton
2B - Drew
1B - Tracy

 

[scXfreakX]

Not big on giving up multiple guys for a two month rental. Seriously, why trade Tracy. He has been doing well since coming back and definitely should be kept around. Why get a guy like Teixera for only 2-3 months? That would be pretty stupid if you ask me. And if they even think about putting in CoJack, I will punch Byrnes in the face. Well, both of them. Eric just for being Eric and Josh for making a stupid trade.