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[JS22]

Im a Pac 12 Homer but I love the idea of Williams, Shabazz AND #26 and #30?

How is this a bad deal? We get the #2 pick from last year (he is the WRONG situation in Minny) and guy in Shabazz who HAS NBA game (i completely disagree with Cheese here - he has mid range game, 3 point game, and cand handle and slash. Hes selfish but could be a stud in right environment and then #26 and #30 in whats considered a draft that is very similar from Pick #7 to #30.

All for a highly flawed 2 we dont already have? Sign me up.

Substitute McCollum and I'm on board. Also, trade the Wonder Twins to free up playing time for Williams.

 

[HooverDam]

What makes it nonsensical? I'm not saying it isn't but you just rattled off several things they have in common and then laughed at the idea of a comparison.

I've never wavered, Bennett is the best player I saw in college this season. I was a little worried there for awhile when his scoring, rebounding and style of game changed but knowing that it was a result of his shoulder injury answered a lot of questions. For those interested, go look at his stats pre-injury and post-injury. He went from getting a dozen or so free throws most games to just 2 or 3. He stopped playing physically, deferred to others on the court and settled for taking jumpers but that was not the player that dominated college ball in the first 2 months of the season.

Steve

I said its nonsensical because there games aren't similar. Those are all cosmetic similarities. How often do you see places like NBADraft.net due cross race player comps? Rarely, if ever. Just because he plays the same position and is the same skin color and went to the same school, doesn't mean he's the same guy.

It would be like declaring Jahii Carson as Eddie House because he's a little, quick black PG from ASU.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I said its nonsensical because there games aren't similar. Those are all cosmetic similarities. How often do you see places like NBADraft.net due cross race player comps? Rarely, if ever. Just because he plays the same position and is the same skin color and went to the same school, doesn't mean he's the same guy.

It would be like declaring Jahii Carson as Eddie House because he's a little, quick black PG from ASU.

My point was that your claim it was nonsensical would have been better supported by some differences in playing style rather than just rattling off their cosmetic similarities. You're right, it's easy to just compare based on superficial attributes. But, by the same token, just because two players are of a similar size or play at the same school, it doesn't mean they aren't similar in style.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

Anthony Bennett, Derrick Williams, Thomas Robinson are tweener forwards. Robinson and Williams have yet to find success in this league and are considered by many to be busts...will Bennett follow that same path?

 

[Joe Mama]

Anthony Bennett, Derrick Williams, Thomas Robinson are tweener forwards. Robinson and Williams have yet to find success in this league and are considered by many to be busts...will Bennett follow that same path?

I posted the numbers somewhere around here earlier. Williams is not really a tweener. For all intents and purposes is the same size as Amare Stoudemire and just about every other power forward out there. That said he is a pretty decent comparison to Bennett and I agree that so far in the NBA he has sucked. I'm really hoping somebody takes Bennett before us just so I don't have to sweat the possibility that we take him.

Joe

 

[Mainstreet]

I posted the numbers somewhere around here earlier. Williams is not really a tweener. For all intents and purposes is the same size as Amare Stoudemire and just about every other power forward out there. That said he is a pretty decent comparison to Bennett and I agree that so far in the NBA he has sucked. I'm really hoping somebody takes Bennett before us just so I don't have to sweat the possibility that we take him.

Joe

I listened to Coro on the radio earlier and Bennett was not even mentioned. Unless the Suns are using a misdirect strategy I wouldn't worry.

 

[Assface]

I would take the Minny trade and use the 9, 26 and 30 picks on Steven Adams, Ricky Ledo and Archie Goodwin. That gives us 3 guys with some upside and if even just one of them develops to meet his potential then I consider that a win with this draft class.

The big picture aspect of this is that rolling in to next season with a starting lineup that's some form of:

Dragic
Ledo/Goodwin/Dudley
Beasley
Williams
Adams

guarantees us a shot at drafting in the top couple spots of a draft class that (barring a surprise) will consist of Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, Marcus Smart and Julius Randall. Looking at the salaries currently on the team, we would have 1 year under the belt with one of those four plus plenty of cap space which would make Phoenix a very attractive destination to land a pair of stars.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I would take the Minny trade and use the 9, 26 and 30 picks on Steven Adams, Ricky Ledo and Archie Goodwin. That gives us 3 guys with some upside and if even just one of them develops to meet his potential then I consider that a win with this draft class.

The big picture aspect of this is that rolling in to next season with a starting lineup that's some form of:

Dragic
Ledo/Goodwin/Dudley
Beasley
Williams
Adams

guarantees us a shot at drafting in the top couple spots of a draft class that (barring a surprise) will consist of Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, Marcus Smart and Julius Randall. Looking at the salaries currently on the team, we would have 1 year under the belt with one of those four plus plenty of cap space which would make Phoenix a very attractive destination to land a pair of stars.

I wouldn't want to be the team that wasted a lottery pick on Steven Adams. I know he's a fast riser to a lot of people but he fails the eye test for me. He's the kind of guy you'd love to invest a 2nd round pick on and hope that a couple years in the D League will help him learn the basics of the game. He's years away from earning a spot on an NBA roster IMO.

Steve

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Ha, should have stopped here.




Well, first of all, Williams has been in the league 2 years, and is complete crap. What is the obsession with picking up Minny scraps? I know you're looking at him from behind your Wildcat colored glasses, but as an NBA player, Williams sucks. He brings about the same contribution to the table as 80% of our roster, and he's a young version of Beasley. There's a reason Minni's trying to get rid of him, and it's not because he's a young player you build around.

Further, Muhammad is nowhere near the talent of Mac/Dipo. So you're basically giving up on the chance to get a star for the hope that Williams/Muhammad/two late round firsts in a bad draft become rotation players. (Heck, better than our current young "talent")

The NBA is a star league, and we need top 7 rotation talent. If there is one lesson to be learned, you don't trade a potential dollar for a bunch of quarters.

I disagree with you that Dipo and Mclemore are stud players. In fact I find them both to be highly flawed. Neither is ideal height, Oladipo has proven himself over the course of one year with a star big man in college, unproven shooter. Mclemore is soft, does little beyond shoot, and disappears for days at a time. I think Shabazz is better then both of them and Ill be my bottom dollar that he is better then at least 1 of the 2.

Would I trade a chance to draft a Lebron or Melo or even Kyrie type prospect for Williams and Shabazz? No.

I think Oladipo and McLemore are getting drafted in the high teens in most other drafts. You are putting lip stick on a pig IMO. Also 3 1st round picks is better then 2 when you are rebuilding right?

And Derrick Williams and Beasley is a lame comparison. Williams shoots better and more importantly is a GRINDER and totally committed. I saw it in Tucson and while I havent followed him night in and night out, I think he plays out of position and for a bad team that was missing a PG for much of the last 2 years because of injury.

We have different takes on Oladipo and McLemore I guess. Shocker we disagree

To me we just need a starter out of this draft and Noel will be perfect as he wont be ready til December. We need another year of absolute suckage so we get a Wiggins level guy next year. THEN we can get excited about the draft and getting a "franchise" player. There isn't one in this draft IMO.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Willliams was a superior player at 19 than Oladipo was at 20. There's basically a year's difference between the two players. Williams will never be a great player unless he falls into a perfect system and supporting cast due to being a tweener, but then what would you call a 6'4 wing who can't shoot or handle the ball (Oladipo)? Comparing him to Beasley is an absolute joke and suggesting he sucks is again an awful take in so many ways most notably the fact the just turned 22 and averaged 12/5 last year.
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Exactly. I think its reverse Maroon and Gold glasses here.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Exactly. I think its reverse Maroon and Gold glasses here.

as i never went to ASU or UA, I was a huge fan of Williams in college but don't think he's got an NBA position and has been anything but impressive in two seasons.

 

[Mainstreet]

I've been reading the Suns have offered #5 and #30 for Cleveland's #1 pick. No idea if they are interested.