Trade Stanton - Barkley new #2

[Jasper]

Chip Kelly was coach/GM, BA is the coach, SK is the GM.
I've noticed BA has some but not all input on personel decisions.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Well, So Much For That.

Thanks.

 

[NJCardFan]

Buccanon= 1st round
Minter= 2nd round
Golden= 2nd round
Jones= former 1st round = 2nd round

I would call that addressing the position. I agree on Butler but don't get the Stanton hate fromm everyone. When pressed into action in '14 he was 5-3 as a starter. I'm willing to bet 100% of the NFL would take that record with their backup QB starting. So, he looked bad in meaningless pre-season games, who cares?????/

Bucannon was drafted as a safety.

 

[oaken1]

I don't hate Drew,..he is what he is,...a decent backup QB.... My sole reason for hoping MB stuck around is because we need someone with a future in front of him and Stanton is not that guy. If Palmer goes down, we can go better than .500 with Stanton....with the improvements to our line and our pass rush we can probably still make a legit playoff run with Stanton if it all falls together right.
But Stanton is what he is and IMO he will never be more than a decent backup QB...so at some point we need to get a guy on the roster who will be qualified and prepared to replace Carson when the time comes...at his age and with his history of severe injuries Palmers career could end on any given play...if that happens I would prefer that the guy we put in to cover for him also be the same guy we will start next season with....and not Stanton.
with our offense apparently being highly technical and difficult to get a grasp on it just makes way too much sense to have that guy ride the pine for a year or so until he gets the hang of the offense... I would prefer a good old fashioned QB controversy over not having someone ready to assume the job.... if we aint gonna draft him then we need to locate him and coach him up.
but honestly I expect we will draft him...most likely this year.

 

[bojack]

Do a role reversal here... make this all business. If Barkley, some dude off the street you traded a pick for, played as bad as Stanton, would BA cut him from the team? Yes, of course, because the guy played better than Stanton and got cut. BA took Stanton under his wing back in Indy and convinced him to follow him to AZ to become the starter because he needed a QB and didn't have Palmer. This is why we are keeping him on our 53 and for big money compared to league minimum. Personality wise you can say that is a good thing, but in terms of the team being in best position and DS being better than every other QB in training camp the last 2 years, that is debatable.

 

[bojack]

I don't think anyone here was convinced Barkley was a Brady in the rough, but the Stanton/BASK apologists lamenting over the stupidity of this forum because there were many who would have liked to see him, or anyone for that matter, get to compete for the #2 position. Whether that meant open competition in preseason or a spot on the 53, something was better than nothing. I get how important each roster spot is and why teams elect to carry 2 QBs, but you have to also put our unique situation into perspective. In our case if it came down to it I would actually rather carry one less position on offense where we are deep (WR, RB, TE) so we have a chance to develop a QB that could become a #1 or at worst case be a modest #2. That extra slot on offense that sees a few reps per game will never make or break a season, but our QB play can. Anyone who just summarily says "if your #1 gets hurt your season is over so who cares about your #2" is also ignoring many players who were never thought to be starters who ended up becoming quality starters. As you all know Warner was basically bagging groceries and Romo was also undrafted. Brady was a 6th round flier… there is precedence for underdogs to shine when given a chance, let alone just be decent.

It is hard to find an obviously good prospect QB that won't make an active roster, and even if you do get a QB with upside on your PS just how many reps or how much development are they going to get there? If you won't carry 3 QB’s, and most agree that BA has blind loyalty to Stanton, then that means by pure math we will never have anyone but Stanton until Palmer retires or gets hurt, because Stanton won't get sent to the PS to make room for another QB. So you can imagine the only way DS will be supplanted is when SHTF because Palmer is out and Stanton has lost us critical games. I would rather not find out what have or don’t have in a trial by fire.

Look, I thought giving anything for Barkley was dumb when it happened because it seemed like there could be at least a few better alternatives out there if it were serious effort to upgrade Stanton or prepare for the future. But that is what we had to work with, he played better than Stanton, so beggars can't be choosers. Same thing last preseason... a lot of people, including myself were intrigued by Sims because when he was on the field he just seemed to have a better presence than Stanton and of course played better than him, not because he was playing out of this world. Stanton’s ceiling is so low that anyone who can put together a decent performance in the series they’re given makes the risk vs reward equation look mighty favorable to the prospect.

So the frustration isn't coming out of Barkley being a lock HOF QB we just let slip through our fingers. It is because of the situation we have put ourselves in, and IMHO this assessment is not very subjective:

1) CP is aging and injury prone. He is one play away from ending his career than most QBs, if not more than any other starting QB in the league now that Peyton has retired, except maybe Romo.

2) In a best case scenario we can hope for quality play for this season and perhaps one more from Palmer. Even if Palmer doesn't retire when his contract ends if you're expecting quality play and him making it through a whole season that seems like a risky prop.

3) DS is not the future starter. DS is not even a game manager that can let our team win the games each week. If he were this would not be such a point of contention with so many fans. His play over the last two years (preseason) has been terrible. His regular season winning record 2 seasons back was not reflective of his performance.

4) DS is injury prone.

5) Our team as a whole appears even stronger at all facets, specifically D—line, pass rush, O—line, run game. The only real downgrade appears to be CB opposite Pat P. You need to strike while the iron is hot, and there is no guarantee we will have a team this good a couple seasons from now.

If we had a young Favre who you never had to worry about missing a game for 15+ years, or even a young CP, no one would be quite so concerned that our #2 isn’t all that good. But we’ve already had a strong season derailed by CP getting hurt. Sure we also lost other players that year, but we were doomed once Palmer got hurt.

Clearly the Barkley ship has sailed, so be it if the two QBs they signed to PS are actually better than him. If one of them clearly outplays Stanton in practice and they are willing to move the guy up to the 53 (even if that means Stanton going to PS or carrying 3 QBs) … well that sounds like progress and no one can complain about progress.

Regardless I’m just annoyed that we’re in a situation where we have all this potential with this team but each year it is Carson or bust (now at age 36, on a limited time table) because we haven’t been willing to make an honest effort to upgrade the backup QB position and by default trying to explore/develop a future starter. To me it’s like going out and spending $250,000 on a Lamborghini but then not spending the money to insure it. Actually, it is more like only insuring it for only $1,000 because Drew Stanton is your buddy from back in Indiana and he sells insurance on the side, but the most his policies cover are $1,000. But you buy his policy anyways to do him a solid even though it is an inferior policy and leaves you in a vulnerable position. While you could pick up another policy for the $249,000 difference you’re afraid that would offend him since you promised him he would be your go to guy for insurance, so you just hope you don’t wreck your Palmer, I mean Lambo, since you’d be totally screwed.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Bucannon was drafted as a safety.

I know that but he has played ILB, maybe from day 1. If not, from very early in his career.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Bucannon was drafted as a safety.

They knew how they wanted to use him when they drafted him.


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[WisconsinCard]

It is hard to find an obviously good prospect QB that won't make an active roster, and even if you do get a QB with upside on your PS just how many reps or how much development are they going to get there? If you won't carry 3 QB’s, and most agree that BA has blind loyalty to Stanton, then that means by pure math we will never have anyone but Stanton until Palmer retires or gets hurt, because Stanton won't get sent to the PS to make room for another QB. So you can imagine the only way DS will be supplanted is when SHTF because Palmer is out and Stanton has lost us critical games. I would rather not find out what have or don’t have in a trial by fire.



1) CP is aging and injury prone. He is one play away from ending his career than most QBs, if not more than any other starting QB in the league now that Peyton has retired, except maybe Romo.

A: Stanton can't be put on the PS he is not eligible

B: Please tell me why you think CP is injury prone?

 

[WisconsinCard]

CPs injury history;
He missed the post season in 2005 (ACL)
He missed 8 games in 2008 (Elbow and Ankle)
He missed 1 game in 2012 (Broken Rib)
He missed 8 game in 2014 (nerve in shoulder 2 games and then ACL 6 games)

That not too bad for a long career. IMO

 

[MadCardDisease]

Regardless I’m just annoyed that we’re in a situation where we have all this potential with this team but each year it is Carson or bust (now at age 36, on a limited time table) because we haven’t been willing to make an honest effort to upgrade the backup QB position and by default trying to explore/develop a future starter. To me it’s like going out and spending $250,000 on a Lamborghini but then not spending the money to insure it. Actually, it is more like only insuring it for only $1,000 because Drew Stanton is your buddy from back in Indiana and he sells insurance on the side, but the most his policies cover are $1,000. But you buy his policy anyways to do him a solid even though it is an inferior policy and leaves you in a vulnerable position. While you could pick up another policy for the $249,000 difference you’re afraid that would offend him since you promised him he would be your go to guy for insurance, so you just hope you don’t wreck your Palmer, I mean Lambo, since you’d be totally screwed.

Umm... where is all of this Drew Stanton is a terrible backup stuff coming from? Back in 2014 we lost Palmer twice. Stanton filled in both times and actually won 5 NFL Regular Season Games for the Cardinals. This was on a team that didn't have as much talent as we do now. Stanton is a proven backup and has shown he can win if Palmer goes down.

Matt Barkley on the other hand has lost two NFL Regular Season games in his NFL career where he threw for 0 TDs and 4 INTs. He had one decent game last week against players who are no longer in the NFL. Yet he struggled pretty much all of training camp and the other 3 preseason games.

Remind me again how Barkley is a better insurance policy than Stanton?

 

[Cardiac]

I'm pretty sure Stanton is making close to the average for a #2 QB in the NFL.

Stanton has proven he can come in and win more games then he loses with this team.

Barkley has proven that two teams have now moved on from him. I agree he looked very good in the last preseason game but a lot of non NFL QB's have looked good in preseason games.

Matt Leinert failed in part because he didn't have the work ethic required to be an NFL QB. I think that's why a lot of QB be wannabe's fail. BA wants a gym rat with a crazy good work ethic and that is Palmer.

BA has a reputation for being a QB whisperer for a reason so if he wants to move on from Barkley then it's time to move on.

 

[crisper57]

Keim on the radio today made it sound like Barkley wouldn't be missed too much.

They asked how hard he tried to keep Barkley. He said something to the effect of, "Well Matt probably saw the situation in Chicago as better for him, we wish him well." Not really answering if the Cards even tried to retain his services.

 

[cardncubfan]

They knew how they wanted to use him when they drafted him.


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+1

 

[sunsfan88]

Barkley about to get reps for the Bears right now.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Barkley, Quartey, MASSIE, Acho... All playing. Did I miss anyone at AZ Central?

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Barkley, Quartey, MASSIE, Acho... All playing. Did I miss anyone at AZ Central?

Ted Larson

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[Shaggy]

He's not looking to good.

 

[Shaggy]

Of course right when I post that /\ he starts hitting his receivers.

Oops, nevermind...

 

[TJ]

40% completion and 2 INTs.

Be careful of becoming a prisoner of the moment.

 

[GatorAZ]

The Bears are who we... nah too easy.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Just another preseason hero. When will folks like to looks at their entire body of work instead of a small snapshot? MB is at best a clip board guy, he can learn an offense help the starter with the things they can see from the sidelines and then bring him some water.

 

[Russ Smith]

I always remember "meeting" Barkley when he was in HS. We were on our then annual fishing trip to Loreto in baja and there was always a group of surfers from So Cal that would fly to Loreto then take taxis to another section for a week long surfing adventure. So they'd be on our flight on the way down and then on the way back. 2 years in a row Barkley was on that flight with us. I didn't really know who he was the first year but the 2nd year guys across from me told me he's a hotshot HS QB at Mater Dei, he's going to USC, going to win the heisman etc. Seemed like your standard So Cal HS surfer dude the bleached blond hair hey dude look on his face.

At USC he became a hated guy because he made a few comments and gestures in games against UCLA but I never particularly cared it's a big rivalry. And of course UCLA got their "revenge" when Anthony Barr nailed him cleanly knocked him out of the game. But that hit changed Barkley's career, he hurt his shoulder and has never had the same arm since then.

It sounds dumb because it's true of all QB's but he's the classic guy that looks very good in a clean pocket and very poor in a jumbled up pocket. He's a guy who had private QB coaching his whole career, he's very good at doing what you're supposed to do in a set play where everything works, but when things break down he just gets bothered too easily. You could see last night his tendency once he starts to move compared with Rodgers. When Rodgers moves either right or left, he throws on the run effortlessly, eyes downfield, uses ball fakes etc it's 2nd nature to him. Barkley moves like he has no idea what to do.

I have Alshon Jeffery on my fantasy team was the only reason I kept watching last night him and Montgomery. Several times on replays of scrambles you could see Alshon was open but Barkley was getting his feet all crossed up or not looking downfield etc.

To be fair at least twice Montgomery was wide open in the endzone on scrambles and Rodgers didn't see him either.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Barkley, Quartey, MASSIE, Acho... All playing. Did I miss anyone at AZ Central?

Agreed.


Its like if someone created a whole team just to show why those players are not on the Cardinals' roster anymore. So many player that "the Cardinals are going to regret losing" on a single team, and getting stomped on national TV.

Its like the Cardinals farm league team or something.

All the Bears need to do is sign O'Brien "The next L.T." Schofield to really make it weird.

 

[Mitch]

The NBC crew pointed out that Barkley had received 0 reps with the 1st team during the short prep week. Thus, in my mind he deserves a mulligan. Let's see how he does next week with a week of practice under his belt.