Trevor Cahill traded to the Braves

[Brian in Mesa]

Trevor Cahill and cash traded to the Braves for a prospect.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Reports: Arizona Diamondbacks trade pitcher Trevor Cahill to Atlanta

http://arizonasports.com/42/1822074/DEALT

https://twitter.com/SteveGilbertMLB/status/583809899529900032

https://twitter.com/SteveGilbertMLB/status/583810494894575616

 

[overseascardfan]

So half his salary...which is better than I expected ARZ would have to kick in to get rid of him. Maybe Bradley does make the big league rotation now.

 

[unseenaz]

freeedommm!!!!!!!

i bet bradley gets his chance in the rotation now

 

[don7031]

Wandy Rodriquez must be done. The Braves went into the off season with only two starting pitchers. They added three and eventually brought back Mike Minor. But Minor is already hurt. The fifth spot in the rotation could have been filled from within the organization. Don't really understand this move or why anybody would want Cahill.

 

[Phrazbit]

I looooove it. So long tubby. The things I was least looking forward to were Cahill starts and Tuffy at bats. One of those is out the window.

 

[BC867]

I looooove it. So long tubby. The things I was least looking forward to were Cahill starts and Tuffy at bats. One of those is out the window.

And, without seeing the Spring Training individual stats (in the lineup results, AzRepublic shows the batting average for that game only), Tuffy had a lot of 1-for-3's against Major League starters.

And as the D-backs reported, he is excellent! at handling Pitchers and throwing out runners, even if he hits .250.

 

[Iceman]

And, without seeing the Spring Training individual stats (in the lineup results, AzRepublic shows the batting average for that game only), Tuffy had a lot of 1-for-3's against Major League starters.

And as the D-backs reported, he is excellent! at handling Pitchers and throwing out runners, even if he hits .250.

You are dead on here. The pitchers love throwing to Tuffy because he studies the hitters and takes pride in it. Montero on the other hand was the opposite

 

[Phrazbit]

Those are the nice things teams say about a catcher when they flat out cannot hit. And Tuffy cannot hit. I expect an OBP sub .300 and an OPS sub .600.

I like a lot of the potential in the lineup, it will be a rough year but there is light at the end of the tunnel... but you can't sell me on Tuffy. He is well below replacement level.

 

[gmabel830]

I played little league with tuffy.. so rooting for him!

 

[BC867]

Those are the nice things teams say about a catcher when they flat out cannot hit.

That's not fair. I posted it, and Iceman agreed, because Tuffy is a superior handler of Pitchers and student of the game. Not because he hits like a Catcher.

Man, he controls 50% of the game. Does that really not mean anything to you?

And, Chip has him hitting 7th, not 8th, because he's been hitting well as a starter in Spring Training.

I am more concerned with Ahmed's hitting at SS than Tuffy's behind the plate.

I do expect that Tuffy will wear down somewhat at the plate as the season progresses. His knowledge of opposing batters will not.

And, BTW, who are you recommending to supplant Tuffy as starting Catcher? I'll bet it's someone who would hurt us less in the outfield, if we had room.

When I was a kid, rooting for the Dodgers, the hated Giants got into the World Series twice., in 1951 and 1954.

Their Catcher was a .220 hitter named Wes Westrum. The way he handled the pitching staff was much more important to the team than his .220 average. It brought them a World Championship in '54, when the Indians had three 20-game winners on the hill.

The history is no mystery. Outstanding Catchers are worth their weight in gold.

 

[Phrazbit]

Here is what I know about Tuffy. I know he is 30 years old and has an OPS that would rate him as the worst hitter in baseball if he qualified. He does not hit like a catcher, he hits like a pitcher. I don't care what his spring stats are, he hit okay last spring too, then posted an OPS below .600.

His defense and ability to handle a staff are up for debate, but his hitting is unquestionably terrible. He was a bad hitter in the minors, he has been a horrendous hitter in the majors and his age makes me pretty sure that will never change.

But I didn't say they should supplant him. They don't have any other options. I said during the offseason that we are not a catcher away from being good so going and spending a bunch of money or dumping trade assets for one is not worth it until the foundations improve.

But I still don't think he is an MLB talent and those really are the stereotypical things a team says when a player is awful but they're forced to use them anyway.

And if you look back at my original post I said I was least looking forward to Cahill pitching and Tuffy batting, I didn't say anything about his ability to call a game... I don't think that is at all unfair of me.

 

[BC867]

I didn't say anything about his ability to call a game... I don't think that is at all unfair of me.

Overlooking Tuffy's greatest contribution makes for a one-sided post.

As I posted, he controls 50% of the game. That can't be said about any other player on the field. Not even the starting Pitcher who nowadays pitches 6 or 7 innings at best every five games. A good starting Catcher isn't removed for a relief Catcher. He is still out there coordinating.

But I guess we disagree on priorities.

 

[Phrazbit]

Overlooking Tuffy's greatest contribution makes for a one-sided post.

As I posted, he controls 50% of the game. That can't be said about any other player on the field. Not even the starting Pitcher who nowadays pitches 6 or 7 innings at best every five games. A good starting Catcher isn't removed for a relief Catcher. He is still out there coordinating.

But I guess we disagree on priorities.

I was rather specific, I am not looking forward to him batting, his ability to call a game has no bearing on his complete inability to hit.

And besides that, there is no evidence that Tuffy is some Napoleon behind the plate masterminding his team to glory.

I appreciate a brilliant catcher, but I have yet to see evidence that Tuffy is one, while I know he is heading into the season as the worst everyday hitter in baseball.

 

[BC867]

And besides that, there is no evidence that Tuffy is some Napoleon behind the plate masterminding his team to glory.

There is evidence! The opinion of his Manager. Who knows a helluva lot more about it than you or I. I have confidence in Chip Hale's judgement. Even in his choice of Ahmed at SS, which I disagreed with earlier.

I am not trying to change your opinion. 'Just reacting to a mis-statement shrouded in sarcasm. Napoleon! LOL

Well, we're getting close to letting the results speak for themselves.

 

[Phrazbit]

There is evidence! The opinion of his Manager. Who knows a helluva lot more about it than you or I. I have confidence in Chip Hale's judgement. Even in his choice of Ahmed at SS, which I disagreed with earlier.

I am not trying to change your opinion. 'Just reacting to a mis-statement shrouded in sarcasm. Napoleon! LOL

Well, we're getting close to letting the results speak for themselves.

Its the managers job to hype up his team. Chip Hale also said that this is a team of destiny and that is a championship caliber roster.

I'm not trying to knock Chip Hale, part of his job is to be optimistic, especially in-front of the press, but I'm not going to take any of his public assessments too close to heart.

He obviously isn't going to say "Well, Tuffy sucks out loud... but what other option do we have?" Which is probably much closer to the truth of the situation.

 

[Matt L]

Back to the trade parameters, it appears that we also had to ship an early pick over to Atlanta to convince them to pay the rest of Cahill's salary! The next step in this process will be to drop Bronson Arroyo.

 

[Dback Jon]

Back to the trade parameters, it appears that we also had to ship an early pick over to Atlanta to convince them to pay the rest of Cahill's salary! The next step in this process will be to drop Bronson Arroyo.

Where are you seeing that?

 

[Matt L]

Nick Piecoro's twitter account. The full trade was Pick no 75 to Atlanta for Victor Reyes (OF-Single A) and then Nick had a follow up tweet that Atlanta doesn't do the Cahill trade if that pick wasn't included. So I guess we received something back for the pick...

 

[devilalum]

Can MLB teams trade picks?

 

[Matt L]

Can MLB teams trade picks?

I believe they can trade competitive balance picks...but don't hold me to that.

 

[Dback Jon]

I believe they can trade competitive balance picks...but don't hold me to that.

Other changes for 2012[edit]

The new CBA introduced other significant changes to the draft.

Bonus pool[edit]

From the 2012 draft on, each team is allocated a "bonus pool" from which it can offer initial contracts to its drafted players. Each team's pool is based on its draft position and number of picks, plus the amount spent in the previous year's draft. For the 2012 draft, these pools ranged from $4.5 million to $11.5 million. If a team goes over its threshold by 5 percent or less, it must pay a "luxury tax" of 75% on the amount over the threshold. Teams that go 5 to 10 percent over must pay a 100% tax on the excess, and will lose their next first-round pick. A team that goes 15 percent over can lose its next two first-round picks, in addition to the "luxury tax".[36] These excess picks will go to smaller-revenue teams via a yet-to-be-reported formula. Uniquely, these compensatory picks can be traded—marking the first time MLB has allowed trading of draft picks. However, all previous rules against trading of regular picks, or picks awarded as free agent compensation, remain in force.[37]

 

[devilalum]

I believe they can trade competitive balance picks...but don't hold me to that.

If Towers could have traded picks he might have gutted this franchise for the next 20 years.

 

[Matt L]

If Towers could have traded picks he might have gutted this franchise for the next 20 years.

Yeah, real head scratching moves. I remember not having a problem with the Arroyo signing because he was so durable but in hindsight, I cannot think of one of his free agent signings that paid off. On the flip side, the Paul Goldschmidt contract is one of the best contracts right now so that was a positive out of his tenure with the D-backs.

 

[don7031]

2.1 IP, 5 Hits, 4 Earn Runs, 15.43 ERA