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The last one was a flop...the Bills signed TO and Leinart wants to stay.

Despite Leinart wanting to stay...I still believe the Cardinals will trade him. I know this is hard for many of you, but honestly, if Leinart was that highly regarded by the coaching staff, would Whiz have persuaded Brian St. Pierre to re-sign with the team with the promise that he would compete for the #2 QB job? Whiz knew all along that if Warner re-signed the team would try to deal Leinart, which is why he was so keen on keeping St. Pierre.

The other thing is, if Leinart is traded, the Cardinals will sign Charlie Batch, another QB well versed in Whiz's system, as added insurance.

Thus, the Cardinals trade QB Matt Leinart to the New York Jets for their 2nd and 7th round draft picks.

The key move of the off-season beyond re-signing Kurt Warner and adding CB Bryant McFadden, will be their signing of two key veterans: LB Derrick Brooks and RB Warrick Dunn.

Brooks shifts next to Gerald Hayes and Karlos Dansby gets switched to the edge, where he will earn his first ticket the Pro Bowl. In Brooks the team gets a swift, playmaking WILB who is equally adept at chasing down the run as he is at providing sticky coverage. The man wants a ring...and this is his chance. And he will view it as such.

Dunn, will replace Arrington as the team's specialty spread back. Dunn still has the ability to thrive in that role. And he will be an instant fan favorite.

I also believe the Cardinals will eventually sign DT/DE Mike Wright, who will be a key player in the defensive line rotation.

Other signings: DE Bertrand Berry; LB Monty Beisel; CB Ralph Brown; FB Mike Karney;

With these moves in mind: here's how the draft goes:

Ist Round (#31): Primary Focus: RB. The Cardinals expect to be able to choose among the following RBs: Donald Brown and LeShon McCoy. Both are in the "Fast Willie Parker" mold and either would make Whiz and company happy.

2nd Round (#52, from NYJ): Primary Focus: LB. The four candidates here are: Connor Barwin, Michael Johnson (if he slides as some suspect), Lawrence Sidbury and Marcus Freeman. The secret is the Cardinals love Freeman of Ohio St., who may well be the true 2nd round sleeper of this draft. He's efficient and highly productive. But, Barwin is also an intriguing option here is he slide this far, as he is the kind of versatile player the Cardinals like.

2nd Round (#63): Primary Focus: OL. The hope is that the Cardinals will be able to choose from C/G Eric Wood and G Kraig Urbik...and if both are there, Urbick is the guy they want. He's the kind of mauler that Russ Grimm loves.

3rd Round (#95): Primary Target: FS. The Cardinals desperately need a true centerfielder for their nickel and dime packages. The hope is that the guy they love, David Bruton of Notre Dame is sitting there. If not, they like Derek Pegues of Mississippi St. almost just as much. Bruton had one of the best combines of any player and is physically gifted.

The rest of the draft will be BPA...

Note: it would not surprise me if the Cardinals traded up two of their picks to select DE/OLB Paul Kruger of Utah.
 
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Mitch's streak of St Pierre mentions and Leinart trade scenarios continues.

He'll be at Cal Ripken Jr status by training camp.
 

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You dont think Dansby can take on blocks well enough to play on the inside but you think Brooks can? Brooks is nothing but a cover 2 4-3 LB and that was in his prime, which he hasnt been in two years now who will be 36 next month. I believe that move just drasticlly downgraded our front 7.
 
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Mitch's streak of St Pierre mentions and Leinart trade scenarios continues.

He'll be at Cal Ripken Jr status by training camp.

Just for once abomb, you should give me some credit for being right about a dark horse such as St. Pierre. I predicted the Chiefs would go after him. They did. I predicted Whiz would make it a priority to have him back. Done.

The problem is St. Pierre didn't win a Heisman, an NCAA Championship, nor was he drafted #10 in the first round. But...he's a better fit than Leinart in Whiz's system. This is not to denigrate Leinart, per se. He'll be a good fit somewhere else.
 

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I don't think any of us have a clue to what the team intends to do with Leinart, Boldin...speculating is fun but we need to really start stating all our opinions with a grain of salt LOL
 
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You dont think Dansby can take on blocks well enough to play on the inside but you think Brooks can? Brooks is nothing but a cover 2 4-3 LB and that was in his prime, which he hasnt been in two years now who will be 36 next month. I believe that move just drasticlly downgraded our front 7.

Brooks has the speed to get to plays before they can get on track. And you're not losing anything in coverage with him there.
 

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Just for once abomb, you should give me some credit for being right about a dark horse such as St. Pierre. I predicted the Chiefs would go after him. They did. I predicted Whiz would make it a priority to have him back. Done.

The problem is St. Pierre didn't win a Heisman, an NCAA Championship, nor was he drafted #10 in the first round. But...he's a better fit than Leinart in Whiz's system. This is not to denigrate Leinart, per se. He'll be a good fit somewhere else.

St. Pierre has proven this where? How many snaps does he have in the NFL? I like the guy, but he's a 3rd stringer for a reason. If he were anything else, don't you think Haley would have thrown enough cash at him and promise him at least 2nd string?
 
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St. Pierre has proven this where? How many snaps does he have in the NFL? I like the guy, but he's a 3rd stringer for a reason. If he were anything else, don't you think Haley would have thrown enough cash at him and promise him at least 2nd string?

He has proven that the Cardinals wanted him back badly enough to promise him a legitmate shot at #2.

I have stood alone on this and will continue to.

As for your Chiefs theory...they already have Tyler Thigpen and Brody Croyle and traded for Matt Cassell. It was going to be a tough sell for Haley to make with Pioli under this scenario.

I predicted Haley would want him and he did. How about being decent enough to concede that I was onto something?
 

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Can there be one off-season plan that does not include trading Leinart?
 

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Just for once abomb, you should give me some credit for being right about a dark horse such as St. Pierre. I predicted the Chiefs would go after him. They did. I predicted Whiz would make it a priority to have him back. Done.

The problem is St. Pierre didn't win a Heisman, an NCAA Championship, nor was he drafted #10 in the first round. But...he's a better fit than Leinart in Whiz's system. This is not to denigrate Leinart, per se. He'll be a good fit somewhere else.

So, Whis wants to keep his 3rd string QB who knows the system and offers some continuity in case of an extreme emergency - i.e. - both Kurt and Matt go down... what a surprise!

And one either "denigrates"... or not... and when it comes to Matt you certainly do, no per se about it.
 

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He has proven that the Cardinals wanted him back badly enough to promise him a legitmate shot at #2.

I have stood alone on this and will continue to.

As for your Chiefs theory...they already have Tyler Thigpen and Brody Croyle and traded for Matt Cassell. It was going to be a tough sell for Haley to make with Pioli under this scenario.

I predicted Haley would want him and he did. How about being decent enough to concede that I was onto something?

problem is, only St. Pierre's wife (maybe) and you think that he has a shot at the number 2 spot over Leinart...
 
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Can there be one off-season plan that does not include trading Leinart?

Sure, but...the question is can you improve the team's chances to win a Super Bowl by acquiring players that will have more of an impact on those prospects than a 2nd string QB holding a clipboard on the sidelines?

This is legitimate two year window of opportunity.

And I believe this is why the Cardinals are bringing in a new GM or Asst. GM...they have a unique opportunity and they have to make the moves to get it done.
 

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Why not trade BSP then? If Sage Rosenfels of all QBs can get a 4th round pick, then I'm sure the almighty Pierre could fetch at least a 5th.
 

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So, Whis wants to keep his 3rd string QB who knows the system and offers some continuity in case of an extreme emergency - i.e. - both Kurt and Matt go down... what a surprise!

And one either "denigrates"... or not... and when it comes to Matt you certainly do, no per se about it.

Right, basically another assistant coach of sorts.
 
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So, Whis wants to keep his 3rd string QB who knows the system and offers some continuity in case of an extreme emergency - i.e. - both Kurt and Matt go down... what a surprise!

And one either "denigrates"... or not... and when it comes to Matt you certainly do, no per se about it.

Do you guys have blinders on? Seriously. Leinart is not Whiz's guy. If he was, would have started Warner over him? Would he have promised St. Pierre a legitmate shot at winning the #2? That was not a token gesture...look at the timing of it: the eve of free agency with the Chiefs and Haley making overtures at St. Pierre.
 

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Do you guys have blinders on? Seriously. Leinart is not Whiz's guy. If he was, would have started Warner over him? Would he have promised St. Pierre a legitmate shot at winning the #2? That was not a token gesture...look at the timing of it: the eve of free agency with the Chiefs and Haley making overtures at St. Pierre.

so...because he didn't start over the QB that took the franchise to its first superbowl....alright, that makes sense.
 

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Do you guys have blinders on? Seriously. Leinart is not Whiz's guy. If he was, would have started Warner over him? Would he have promised St. Pierre a legitmate shot at winning the #2? That was not a token gesture...look at the timing of it: the eve of free agency with the Chiefs and Haley making overtures at St. Pierre.

You of all people on this board talking about blinders... :lmao:

It's been said that the no. 2 QB is the most popular guy on a team among fans... but, for unfathomable reason, in your case it is no. 3.
 
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Brooks shifts next to Gerald Hayes and Karlos Dansby gets switched to the edge, where he will earn his first ticket the Pro Bowl. In Brooks the team gets a swift, playmaking WILB who is equally adept at chasing down the run as he is at providing sticky coverage. The man wants a ring...and this is his chance. And he will view it as such.

Brooks won a ring with the Tampa Bay at Super Bowl XXXVII
 

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He has proven that the Cardinals wanted him back badly enough to promise him a legitmate shot at #2.

I have stood alone on this and will continue to.

I will not let Mitch stand alone. I'm not sold on Leinart as being the #2 QB. Bring on St. Pierre to compete with Leinart as a possible backup to KW. I'm just not sold on Leinart's decision making, mobility and arm.

I must say on a side note, I am still intrigued by Cutler ever since I saw him play after the draft. IMO, he has much more talent than Leinart. Also Leinart has done nothing to distinguish himself in my book. I think Leinart may be more a product of the USC system than a QB based on his own merits.
 

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Do you guys have blinders on? Seriously. Leinart is not Whiz's guy. If he was, would have started Warner over him? Would he have promised St. Pierre a legitmate shot at winning the #2? That was not a token gesture...look at the timing of it: the eve of free agency with the Chiefs and Haley making overtures at St. Pierre.

I don't read too much in to St. Pierre having a shot at number 2. Isn't every position open for competition with coach Whiz?
 

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Do you guys have blinders on? Seriously. Leinart is not Whiz's guy. If he was, would have started Warner over him? Would he have promised St. Pierre a legitmate shot at winning the #2? That was not a token gesture...look at the timing of it: the eve of free agency with the Chiefs and Haley making overtures at St. Pierre.


If St. Pierre is the man why 1 year 1 million dollar deal. You would think if the teams was so high on him they would lock him up for more than 1 year at that price.
 
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How did Karney show up on the radar? ...because he wants to play here? Seems to me every player who ever expresses a public desire to sign here never does
 

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Competition is always a great motivational factor in organizational behavior
 

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