Vince Young: Can we pick our side of the fence now?

[Duckjake]

If Cutler and Young were both available at #10 I would take Cutler.

If the Cards wanted a guy like Cutler why would they have let McCown go?

Josh has all the same measurables, doesn't have to sit and learn and would cost far less money.

 

[D-Dogg]

Because Josh sucks, and he's proven it.

 

[Scott MS]

I'd take Cutler. They guy is smart. Leave the McCowns and Youngs for teams with more personnel to do the hand holding.

 

[Stout]

Because Josh sucks, and he's proven it.

Thank you, D-Dogg. Apples and oranges, Duck.

 

[Lars the Red]

I'm a Cutler guy. He's seen the world behind a leaky line, and still has the poise to make the throws. Vince isn't the second coming of Culpepper. Culpepper had a good motion and could throw like a madman coming out of college. Vince has made the vast majority of his big plays with his legs. I can't see taking him ahead of Cutler, if you really want a traditional NFL QB.

For those that say Cutler is just like Josh, I watched Cutler in 3 games last year and not once, evening when he was getting harrassed on every play, did he look nervous. Heck, half the time he looked bored making one tough throw after another against the Florida secondary.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

From Pasquarelli (who spoke to 5 scouts after Young's Pro Day:
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With the No. 7 choice in the first round, it would take Oakland officials about a nanosecond to turn in the card with Young's name on it, were he still available at their slot.

That's the best news i've heard all day.I hope that would be the case. I think he'll have every bit the pro career that Michael Bishop had. The good thing is that,if the Cards take him,they can say we drafted our QB or TE of the future so they are actually covering 2 positions.

 

[HookemCards]

Here's another good article........

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/032906dnspogosselin.121c9607.html



ORLANDO, Fla.– The Big 12 came to fear Vince Young. So did Southern Cal. Now it's the NFL's turn.

Young quarterbacked Texas to a national championship in 2005, beating Southern Cal in the Rose Bowl with his arm and legs, then decided to skip his senior season to enter the 2006 NFL draft.

Since that time Young has become the most scrutinized player on the draft board. He's been criticized for his low Wonderlic test score, his throwing motion and the infrequency he took direct center snaps in college.

More than 100 NFL types attended his workout in Austin last week to watch him run and throw.

"I have a sense that what this league does to a guy who plays that brilliantly is beat up on him pretty good," said Baltimore Ravens coach Brian Billick during a break at the NFL spring meetings. "A guy who's going to go as high [in the draft] as Vince Young will be critiqued and over-critiqued."

Why? Because the NFL doesn't quite know what to make of Young.

"Unique is a word you don't want to throw out there too often," Billick said. "But this guy is truly unique – and that uniqueness is what has most people apprehensive.

"We all want to make comparisons to give ourselves a comfort zone, like the Jake Plummer-Joe Montana analogy. A Matt Leinart is very direct. We've seen him before in this league. He translates very easily, so you have a much stronger conviction about how he'll do.

"But there's trepidation with a guy as unique as Young. It's a little frightening."

Billick is an expert on quarterbacks and what it takes to play the position in the NFL. He called the plays as the offensive coordinator at Minnesota in 1998 when the Vikings set an NFL scoring record and quarterback Randall Cunningham went to the Pro Bowl.

Billick was the head coach of the Ravens in 2000 when Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl as a caretaker quarterback. Billick also has coached Brad Johnson, Elvis Grbac and Kyle Boller. He's coached mobile quarterbacks and pocket passers, big arms and the average arms.

In short, Billick has coached all types of quarterbacks – but he's never seen one quite like Young.

"If you try to pigeon hole him as a Randall Cunningham or a Michael Vick – I don't know if you're going to be able to connect the dots in a way you'd like," Billick said. "As Vick has done, Young could create his own category because of the size, the speed and the athleticism."

Dennis Green was the head coach of that Minnesota team that set the NFL scoring record. He also coached Daunte Culpepper at Minnesota, and now coaches Kurt Warner at Arizona.

So Green also knows a little something about quarterbacks – and he knows there's more to the position than just taking the center snaps.

"The game is about a guy's talent and intangibles," Green said. "I'd say Vince Young probably has the most intangibles we've seen in a long, long time. You're talking about a guy who's changed the game. He played against USC and made them look like they had average athletes on the field. It's because he was such a superior athlete.

"We try to make this game more complicated than it is. Does he throw completions? Can he lead his team? Does he have the instincts for the position? I think he'll be a hell of a pro."

Young passed for 267 yards and rushed for 200 yards and three touchdowns in a 41-38 victory over Southern Cal in the national title game. For the season, Young completed 65.2 percent of his passes for 3,036 yards and 26 touchdowns and rushed for 1,050 yards and 12 more scores, finishing as the Heisman Trophy runner-up.

Jacksonville Jaguars general manager James Harris says forget questions about Young's intelligence, delivery and ability to function in a conventional offense.

"The only question you have to ask is do you want to play against him?" Harris said.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Why is Billick considered an offensive guru? I'll give Denny the credit he deserves but Billick ran DG's offense for 1 year with Culpepper,Moss,and Carter(i think he was still playing there).It's pretty hard to fail with those weapons. Ever since he's left his offenses have been nothing but putrid every year. Green does make some good points on VY,though.

 

[Duckjake]

For those that say Cutler is just like Josh, I watched Cutler in 3 games last year and not once, evening when he was getting harrassed on every play, did he look nervous. Heck, half the time he looked bored making one tough throw after another against the Florida secondary

What would Cutler have to be nervous about? Pressure at Vanderbilt comes in the chemistry lab not on the football field. They spent $2.5million renovating their football stadium. Built 5 new exits.

In the last two years Vandy won 7 games and he was 21-53 with 0TD's and 2INT's in the two games against LSU. Lost both games against Kentucky and couldn't even get enough points to beat Middle Tennessee State losing 17-15.

The guy just doesn't have enough big game experience or little game success for me to want to use a top 10 pick on him.

 

[CaliCards]

I'm not sure what type of NFL career Young would have, but as a college QB, I like his poise and the fact that he doesn't get antsy-feet when opposing defense pressures him.

So on a scale of 10, I'd say he ends up with an NFL career worth at least a 7

 

[Chopper0080]

This is what is tough about the NFL, you have to reach to take a QB. Neither Young nor Cutler is ready to play in the NFL this year yet we are talking about them as top 10 players. Their true value is somewhere at the bottom of round 1 and the top of round 2 with the time they will need to adjust to the pro game. Unfortunately the NFL isin such demand for QB's they are picked much higher than should be and placed in positions where they aren't able to succeed. See Alex Smith, Joey Harrington and David Carr.

 

[Lars the Red]

What would Cutler have to be nervous about? Pressure at Vanderbilt comes in the chemistry lab not on the football field.

In the last two years Vandy won 7 games and he was 21-53 with 0TD's and 2INT's in the two games against LSU. Lost both games against Kentucky and couldn't even get enough points to beat Middle Tennessee State losing 17-15.

The guy just doesn't have enough big game experience or little game success for me to want to use a top 10 pick on him.

First off, I would guess that anyone of us would be nervous with a major college defensive rush breathing down our necks, chem lab or no chem lab.

As for the rest, wow, the fact that he was the major cog in the best season Vandy's seen in years is unimportant because he didn't play well against LSU? Pssst....DJ.... Lot's of teams didn't play well against LSU. I believe Miami would concur.

And do you really want to blame Cutler for the Kentucky losses? As a Jr, he literally limps them to a 13 point 4th qtr lead, only to see the defense collapse, giving up 14 to lose in the final minutes. Is 16-32 for 202 yards and carries for 25 on a bad wheel. All this while getting sacked 4 times. His Sr year he puts up 5 TDs on 39-66, and this while Kentucky is blitzing constantly. Unfortunately the D gave up too much in a 48-43 loss. Against Midd Tenn he was 25-45 with a TD and drove 81 yards from his own 1, completing 7-10 with 2:00 left for what should have been the winning field goal. That, unfortunately, was blocked.

You want big games? How about Florida in the swamp, in front of 92,000 drunks in OT? How about Tennessee in Knoxville, on Sr day, in front of 107,000? 339 passing, 25 rushing, in a 35-28 Homecoming game against SC in Columbia?

The guy simply put up fantastic numbers, considering what he had to work with. Marginal receivers and a grossly overmatched offensive line were the main contibutors to his struggles. 1400 yards as a freshman, 2350 as a soph, 1850 as a Jr, and 3100 as a Sr. He's sacked 80 times in a 4 year career. How many knockdowns do you think that meant?

For grins, toss out the freshman year and consider he had a completion pct between 57 and 61% the final 3 years. 49-27 TD/INT ratio, also in the final 3 years.

Personally, I think your forgettnig that Vandy, even though you might think is a joke, plays in the SEC. Being grossly overmatched by Georgia, LSU, Florida and the likes, makes his accomplishments that much more impressive.

 

[Duckjake]

First off, I would guess that anyone of us would be nervous with a major college defensive rush breathing down our necks, chem lab or no chem lab.

As for the rest, wow, the fact that he was the major cog in the best season Vandy's seen in years is unimportant because he didn't play well against LSU? Pssst....DJ.... Lot's of teams didn't play well against LSU. I believe Miami would concur.


You want big games? How about Florida in the swamp, in front of 92,000 drunks in OT? How about Tennessee in Knoxville, on Sr day, in front of 107,000? 339 passing, 25 rushing, in a 35-28 Homecoming game against SC in Columbia?

The guy simply put up fantastic numbers, considering what he had to work with. Marginal receivers and a grossly overmatched offensive line were the main contibutors to his struggles. 1400 yards as a freshman, 2350 as a soph, 1850 as a Jr, and 3100 as a Sr. He's sacked 80 times in a 4 year career. How many knockdowns do you think that meant?

For grins, toss out the freshman year and consider he had a completion pct between 57 and 61% the final 3 years. 49-27 TD/INT ratio, also in the final 3 years.

Personally, I think your forgettnig that Vandy, even though you might think is a joke, plays in the SEC. Being grossly overmatched by Georgia, LSU, Florida and the likes, makes his accomplishments that much more impressive.

There is NO pressure when nobody expects you to win. It is the easiest position in all of sports. Pressure is playing in the BCS Title game when your school, your coach, and your teammates have been accused of being soft and not being able to win the big game.

Cutler did not play well against the best team in the SEC, LSU. Not playing well against Oklahoma, the best team in the Big XII at the time, dropped Chris Simms to the third round so why would the poor play against LSU not impact Cutler?

Compare Cutler to Eli Manning. Manning also played for an SEC school that historically finishes at the bottom of the SEC. Yet his senior season Ole Miss was 10-3 with a Cotton Bowl championship. Without Manning the last two years Mississippi is 7-15.

I am just really suspect of any QB who couldn't lead his team to more than 7 wins in 2 years.

 

[JeffGollin]

This is what is tough about the NFL, you have to reach to take a QB.
And the degree teams feel (or don't feel) they have to reach is in the eye of the beholder.

Last night, there was a roundtable on FSN featuring McShayne, Mayock, Baldinger and one other expert. The concensus was that Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers (who went very high in the first round last year) would be rated as second round picks in this years' draft.

So-o-o: Does this mean that the Niners and GB were reaching last year? Would it necessarily mean that Top 10 teams selecting Leinart, Young and Cutler would be reaching this year?

Note - Let me throw in one additional variable - I don't recall very many decent QB's after Smith and Rodgers last year, but observe that there are a bunch of 2nd-echelon ones (Croyle, Whitehurst, Omar Jacobs, McNeal) available this year. How does that impact on the willingness to reach in any given year?

 

[Billy Flynt]

There is NO pressure when nobody expects you to win. It is the easiest position in all of sports.

He'll be a perfect fit in Az then

Wasn't VY then in the same position in the Rose Bowl? No one expected Texas to be able to compete with USC.

Sorry Duckjake, it's not a compelling argument.

 

[Duckjake]

He'll be a perfect fit in Az then

Wasn't VY then in the same position in the Rose Bowl? No one expected Texas to be able to compete with USC.

Sorry Duckjake, it's not a compelling argument.

I know that millions of people expected Texas to be able to compete with USC and that Mack Brown would have taken enormous flack if Texas had lost. Texas fans expect the Longhorns to win every game.

Even Vanderbilt's own fans don't expect them to win. Huge difference.

 

[Bada0Bing]

Unfortunately the NFL isin such demand for QB's they are picked much higher than should be and placed in positions where they aren't able to succeed. See Alex Smith, Joey Harrington and David Carr.

I don’t understand this statement. Doesn’t the draft establish their value?