Vince Young: Can we pick our side of the fence now?

[Savage58]

I'd take Young.....don't think he'll fall....but he's going to need some great coaching. There is no doubt in my mind about that. He isn't ready to go like a Matt Leinart.

I think he will need a WORLD of great coaching to even become respectable at the NFL level. On a ranking score of 1 to 32 how GOOD would you all say our QB Coach and O Coordinator are compared to the rest of the NFL? Middle of the road, below average, above average??

 

[Krangodnzr]

I have deep concerns. Perhaps intelligence is not key in all NFL positions, but QB is definately not one of those. A guy on ESPN radio was going over all the QBs with low Wonderlic scores -- there's a very strong correlation for QB success in the NFL and a high score (Brady, Manning, etc.)

His attitude is horrible; he hasn't exactly wowed everyone leading up to the draft. I say stay away -- he's Ryan Leaf all over again.

Dan Marino scored a 12.

Football isn't quantum physics.

 

[Redheart]

Dan Marino scored a 12.

Football isn't quantum physics.

Yea, but you remember what happens when you get a "bone-head"?

 

[Billy Flynt]

Wonderlic scores are not the be all end all of QB success in the NFL; however, there are more QB failures with dreadfully low scores than QB successes with low scores. Dan Marino is the exception not the rule. Wonderlic is part of the whole package and someone with question marks like release point, shotgun only offense experience, and two-read scrambling, a low Wonderlic score is only going to make the stock drop. Given the number of issues and a history of poor drafting, I would worry about the Cardinals selecting a project that is just as likely to be Kelly Stouffer as he is Dan Marino.

As shown by the poll, he's a coin flip.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Wonderlic scores are not the be all end all of QB success in the NFL; however, there are more QB failures with dreadfully low scores than QB successes with low scores. Dan Marino is the exception not the rule.

Ugh. I don't know how many times I have to repeat this - There's no correlation between Wonderlic scores and NFL performance. It's a scientifically proven fact.

 

[Snakester]

Just to be clear so we can all look back on this in 5 years (whether he is a Card or not) and see who thinks VY if HOF material or Akili Smith's cousin.


edit:

oops misspelled "arduous"

I think he fits somewhere in between. I think he will be good, but I can't see him as HOF material.

 

[lobo]

encore thoughts...........if young is there there is no doubt the cards snatch him....i think that is a mistake....not because he may not turn out to be a good qb...but the issue of a second stringer could be solved by signing (say) maddox or collins...and the first round pick could be used to find someone like (say) davis, huff, williams, who could potentially yield instant gratification....the proof of my thesis will be the fact that mgt will not sign a fa qb before the draft...if young/cutler go before 10...then look for a signing after the draft...just don't tell me it's fiedler...that 11/17 120 yds.. no td's maybe 1 int.....he won't win a game for you and won't lose a game either...

 

[Shogun]

Threads like these are exactly the reason why I want someone to pick him before we're on the board.

 

[D-Dogg]

He's a real crapshoot, but if he's there at ten it's worth rolling the dice on potential. Could be huge. Might suck out loud. Probably will be somewhere in the middle, but the CHANCE he could be special is worth it at ten.

 

[Duckjake]

Here are some interesting QB stats.

Excluding Jake Plummers numbers the other Quarterbacks the Cardinals have drafted since 1987 have combined for 68 TD's and 123 Interceptions.

Kurt Warner is the 13th Free Agent to play QB for Phoenix/Arizona.

Stoudt,Hogeboom,Chandler,Buerlein,Kreig,McMahon,Schroeder,Esiason,
Graham,Dave Brown,Jeff Blake,and Shaun King.

Buddy Ryan used 6 different QB's in his two seasons.

 

[conraddobler]

Threads like these are exactly the reason why I want someone to pick him before we're on the board.

I'm right there with you on that, it's going to be a never ending blood bath on here if we take him and he flashes one game and tanks the next, only pure bust or pure pro-bowl will stop an endless saga on here.

 

[WildBB]

Vince Young - I'll bring him over to RG at the airport - since I allready work there anyway.

 

[Redrage]

I don't know if I'd be more scared to take him or not to take him.


Count me conflicted.

 

[Redrage]

Look at it this way though. Preseason attendance would skyrocket.

 

[Capital Card]

My two cents.... I don't think Young, or any mobile/athletic QB would be a very good fit for our team.

We are setting up a precision/timing offense. The strength of our team is with Q and Fitz. Hopefully with a real running back like Edge, our wide-outs can become even more effective as defenses have to show some respect for our running game and play-action fakes.

IMO, the last thing we want is a QB that is going to run around trying to make spectacular plays with his athleticism in the face of any pass rush. We need the classic pocket passer to stand back and run our offense, be able to see who among Q, Fitz, Johnson, Edge, Bergen (hopefully VD) is open, and get them the ball to make plays.

We keep hearing that our offense is similar to the Rams, similar to the Colts, similar to Denny's Viking teams. None of them use athletic QB's. (Dante is athletic, but I don't recal the Vikes relying on his scrambling / improvising ability to win games for them - Dante did well getting the ball out to his playmakers, namely Moss.) Instead these offenses are run efficiently by statuesque QBs such as Warner, Manning, Bulger, Jeff George. Cunningham, once the model athletic QB, did well in Minni as a pocket passer.

If we draft Vince, I'll certainly root for him; however, I won't be surprised if we take someone else even if Vince is on the board and available.

Go Cards!!!

 

[Billy Flynt]

Here are some interesting QB stats.

Excluding Jake Plummers numbers the other Quarterbacks the Cardinals have drafted since 1987 have combined for 68 TD's and 123 Interceptions.

Kurt Warner is the 13th Free Agent to play QB for Phoenix/Arizona.

Stoudt,Hogeboom,Chandler,Buerlein,Kreig,McMahon,Schroeder,Esiason,
Graham,Dave Brown,Jeff Blake,and Shaun King.

Buddy Ryan used 6 different QB's in his two seasons.

So does that mean you are pro or anti VY?

 

[Duckjake]

So does that mean you are pro or anti VY?

I'm for the single wing with Boldin.

 

[Krangodnzr]

My two cents.... I don't think Young, or any mobile/athletic QB would be a very good fit for our team.

We are setting up a precision/timing offense. The strength of our team is with Q and Fitz. Hopefully with a real running back like Edge, our wide-outs can become even more effective as defenses have to show some respect for our running game and play-action fakes.

IMO, the last thing we want is a QB that is going to run around trying to make spectacular plays with his athleticism in the face of any pass rush. We need the classic pocket passer to stand back and run our offense, be able to see who among Q, Fitz, Johnson, Edge, Bergen (hopefully VD) is open, and get them the ball to make plays.

We keep hearing that our offense is similar to the Rams, similar to the Colts, similar to Denny's Viking teams. None of them use athletic QB's. (Dante is athletic, but I don't recal the Vikes relying on his scrambling / improvising ability to win games for them - Dante did well getting the ball out to his playmakers, namely Moss.) Instead these offenses are run efficiently by statuesque QBs such as Warner, Manning, Bulger, Jeff George. Cunningham, once the model athletic QB, did well in Minni as a pocket passer.

If we draft Vince, I'll certainly root for him; however, I won't be surprised if we take someone else even if Vince is on the board and available.

Go Cards!!!

But as soon as Green had the chance to take an athletic QB (Culpepper) he did. I see Young as a guy that CAN stand in the pocket and throw the ball, but if he sees a gap in the defense, he can scramble 15+ yards down the field.

I can't see us passing on Young if available. If he slides, no talent on the board will be even remotely as talented. IF Young was there and by some act of God, Hawk was available, I could see it. But all of the prospects that are equal in talent to Young won't be available.

Plus, IMO, no single player can have the impact on a football game that a QB can. So, if I have my druthers, we will pick Young and not second guess it. Young could be a top ten player in the league, and that's what you look for when you're drafting in the top ten.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Here are some interesting QB stats.

Excluding Jake Plummers numbers the other Quarterbacks the Cardinals have drafted since 1987 have combined for 68 TD's and 123 Interceptions.

Kurt Warner is the 13th Free Agent to play QB for Phoenix/Arizona.

Stoudt,Hogeboom,Chandler,Buerlein,Kreig,McMahon,Schroeder,Esiason,
Graham,Dave Brown,Jeff Blake,and Shaun King.

Buddy Ryan used 6 different QB's in his two seasons.

Great post.. This is my exact reason why I think if Young is there at 10, there's no reason beyond Young coming out on Draft Night and threatining to Eli Manning us that they shouldn't take him.

It's unknown whether or not Young is going to be a successful pro, but the gamble is well worth taking. In that time frame, since 1987, the Cardinals have only spent a first rounder on a quarterback once.. It's fair to say, with these stats that it sure wouldn't hurt the Cards to take a first round gamble on a QB, especially one with the superstar potential of Young.

 

[Tashunca]

You can always do what San Diego did. Draft a guy, Then TRADE a guy. (To a team that wants what you got if they got what you want ! ! !)

 

[Shogun]

You can always do what San Diego did. Draft a guy, Then TRADE a guy. (To a team that wants what you got if they got what you want ! ! !)

But who would realistically do that though, suitor-wise speaking?

 

[Billy Flynt]

*bump*

Has everyone voted?

 

[BACH]

I think he will need a WORLD of great coaching to even become respectable at the NFL level. On a ranking score of 1 to 32 how GOOD would you all say our QB Coach and O Coordinator are compared to the rest of the NFL? Middle of the road, below average, above average??

By themselves they are very average, but there's more to it. While Rowen might be average, he's the OC for a team that have one of the best offensive minds as a HC. The same goes for Mike Kruczek, becuase you cannot judge him by himself, because Warner is known as one of the best mentors in the league.

 

[seesred]

WE've drafted kids in the draft before, Rosenbach (supplemental), McCown, Plummer, Tupa etc. But we have never takin the bull by the horns and drafted a first rounder when we had chances to do it..The kid now staring in Pittsburg comes to mind. I'm still up in the air and I'm glad I wont be there to make the pick. I would say that if Young or Cutler for that matter were to be there and I'm pretty sure they wont it would be hard not to take that shot and pull the trigger on the future.

The one thing to realize is that Denny seams to want to be in Arizona long term. It would help him get that by not taking a QB, by taking a player that can be playmaker now. He has to do well this year. There will be other QB's next year. If I'm Denny I take the BPA a playmaker and opt for a qb latter in the draft or a Harrington type and wait till next year for our QBOF.

That being said IMO Young is a stud and could be( none of us know for sure )a very exciting winning QB for us. He was after all a big winner in Texas. NOt only in the bowl game , but he had an amazing record during the season. I'm still messed up and glad I'm not picking.

GBR
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[john h]

If he is available at #10 and Leinart and Cutler are off the board..then I would consider it..but Denny wants to win now..in that case you sign a decent backup to Warner and sing Vernon Davis or a Stud Defensive player..Glad I don't have to make that call

If Cutler and Young were both available at #10 I would take Cutler.