Vince Young Wants to Play or Leave

[Dayman]

http://podcatchers.fia.net/5885/3706357.mp3?sid=23300&lid=5885&id=1350450&source=3

The Tennessee Titans’ quarterback depth chart hasn’t changed. Kerry Collins is still the starter, and Vince Young

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remains the backup.


During an interview with WMAR-TV, Young said that if he doesn’t win back his old job, then he wants a change of scenery.


“I definitely want to get back out there playing ball and picking up where I left off, winning games and having a good time with my teammates and with the fans,” Young said. “At the same time, if them guys don’t want me to be in there, it’s time for me to make a career change for myself. Because the fact is I’m ready to play ball. If they’re not ready for me to play ball, then somebody is.”


During the offseason, Titans coach Jeff Fisher

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declared that Young would have to “earn his job back” to overtake Collins.


In three games and one start last season, Young threw one touchdown with two interceptions as Collins led the Titans to the AFC South division title.


For his career, the former University of Texas star has completed 57.3 percent of his throws for 4,964 yards, 22 touchdowns, and 32 interceptions for a 68.8 quarterback rating.


“I’m still focused, staying focused,” Young said. “I got a lot of people that look up to me. I got a lot of fans that love me and want to see me back out on the football field.


“So, right now, I’m just taking it a day at a time. I ’m being very competitive, competing for the job and just let Coach Fish make his own decision after that.”

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/01/vince-young-tired-of-sitting-on-the-bench/

 

[Buckybird]

I'm a big Horns fan, but VY will never make a splash in the NFL. Teams, announcers and fans get so caught up in the athletic ability of him and Vick, when the pro style game is based on passing the ball.

 

[DoTheDew]

I'm a big Horns fan, but VY will never make a splash in the NFL. Teams, announcers and fans get so caught up in the athletic ability of him and Vick, when the pro style game is based on passing the ball.

Get used to dual threat QBs. The NCAA is moving more and more towards QBs who can run the option and make plays with their legs. Expect to see more Pat White types in future drafts and less Manning/Leinart types.

 

[moklerman]

Get used to dual threat QBs. The NCAA is moving more and more towards QBs who can run the option and make plays with their legs. Expect to see more Pat White types in future drafts and less Manning/Leinart types.

I don't know that Pat White is much of an example at this point. The NFL goes in swings sometimes but what dual threat QB's are out there now that point to a major shift on the horizon(in the NFL)?

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

If Vince Young had the mental capacity to understand and learn an NFL playbook, he could be average. He scored a 6 on his wonderlic iq test, that's worse than a 1st grader...yet he still makes more than surgeons and doctors...sad.

 

[Shane]

If Vince Young had the mental capacity to understand and learn an NFL playbook, he could be average. He scored a 6 on his wonderlic iq test, that's worse than a 1st grader...yet he still makes more than surgeons and doctors...sad.

 

[Unsterblich856]

The new fad of the Wildcat greatly boosts his trade value. There might also be one team with a bad enough QB situation to be suckered into trading for him. He might not have to expend his brain cell in Denver since it seems like anybody can exceed in McDaniel's system.

 

[DoTheDew]

I don't know that Pat White is much of an example at this point. The NFL goes in swings sometimes but what dual threat QB's are out there now that point to a major shift on the horizon(in the NFL)?

I don't think the NFL has changed yet, but if you pay attention to college ball, more and more teams are trying to get dual threat QBs, this means that in a few years when all these kids go pro, there will be less pro style QBs to chose from and more dual threat QBs. What I really expect is more Boldin/Ward/Randle El types, i.e. more college QBs switching positions in the NFL.

The problem is that if the recruiting focus shifts more towards dual threat QBs in college, then the talent pool for pro style QBs in then NFL shrinks.

 

[splitsecond]

I don't think the NFL has changed yet, but if you pay attention to college ball, more and more teams are trying to get dual threat QBs, this means that in a few years when all these kids go pro, there will be less pro style QBs to chose from and more dual threat QBs. What I really expect is more Boldin/Ward/Randle El types, i.e. more college QBs switching positions in the NFL.

The problem is that if the recruiting focus shifts more towards dual threat QBs in college, then the talent pool for pro style QBs in then NFL shrinks.

And where do those dual thread QB's go in the NFL? Only one has been mildly successful (Vick) and look how much better Atlanta is without him. The closest thing you will see to a dual threat in the NFL that can actually succeed will be Steve Young types. This "dual threat" change has been talked about for years (Kordell Stewart anyone???) and it has yet to materialize.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

I don't think the NFL has changed yet, but if you pay attention to college ball, more and more teams are trying to get dual threat QBs, this means that in a few years when all these kids go pro, there will be less pro style QBs to chose from and more dual threat QBs. What I really expect is more Boldin/Ward/Randle El types, i.e. more college QBs switching positions in the NFL.

The problem is that if the recruiting focus shifts more towards dual threat QBs in college, then the talent pool for pro style QBs in then NFL shrinks.

NFL is much different than college. College players aren't as big or fast as the NFL, so it's more of an advantage for a college team to have a dual QB, because they dont have to worry about slow a$$ LB's in college catching up to them...different story in the NFL. Sure, there has been some good dual threat QB's, Randall Cunningham, Steve Young etc..Difference is, they always looked to pass first, and run as the last option, so they were more pure passers, where as a lot of these dual QB's in college, once their first option is gone, they automatically try to run, if you do that in the NFL, you will find yourself on IR. The NFL covets great pocket passers that can take small steps to avoid pressure, sort of like the prototypical Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner etc...I don't see the NFL shifting to dual QB's anytime soon, unless there is a huge emphasis on passing accuracy, rather than running around everywhere.

 

[Southpaw]

If Vince Young had the mental capacity to understand and learn an NFL playbook, he could be average. He scored a 6 on his wonderlic iq test, that's worse than a 1st grader...yet he still makes more than surgeons and doctors...sad.

Well said.

 

[Southpaw]

NFL is much different than college. College players aren't as big or fast as the NFL, so it's more of an advantage for a college team to have a dual QB, because they dont have to worry about slow a$$ LB's in college catching up to them...different story in the NFL. Sure, there has been some good dual threat QB's, Randall Cunningham, Steve Young etc..Difference is, they always looked to pass first, and run as the last option, so they were more pure passers, where as a lot of these dual QB's in college, once their first option is gone, they automatically try to run, if you do that in the NFL, you will find yourself on IR. The NFL covets great pocket passers that can take small steps to avoid pressure, sort of like the prototypical Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner etc...I don't see the NFL shifting to dual QB's anytime soon, unless there is a huge emphasis on passing accuracy, rather than running around everywhere.

Those running QBs become passing QBs very quickly. It is called survival and lack of success. The Bears had a running Qb named Bobby Douglas. He couldn't pass. Short unmemorable career, but he held the QB rushing records for many years.

 

[moklerman]

Short unmemorable career, but he held the QB rushing records for many years.

Sort of ironic timing considering that Vick was very proud of breaking the rushing record(s) set by Douglas...focusing on the record even though his team lost that day.

 

[JeffGollin]

Tragic Conundrum...

Dude comes out of college All Everything. He can run like the wind, lead his teammates and has one of the better arms in his draft class.

When he's put in the right situation, he can make bells ring.

He arrives on the NFL scene with much hoopla only to discover that, given the way they run offenses in the pros, he's the proverbial "square peg."

So you hear comments from the coaches and the media about "a slow learning curve", "quintessential 'slash' player" and "should be perfect for the Wildcat."

But the deal is that the dude expected to immediately become Mr. Superstar QB in the pros and (at least so far) it just isn't working that way.

I can't blame Young for being frustrated, but sometimes you have to know when to hold 'em or when to fold 'em. He may be justified in wanting a change of scenery if things don't pan out this year (at the very least it might create more opportunity for him to catch on someplace and then catch fire). But the danger is that he'll wind up being a journeyman - a hired gun moving from team to team, either as a backup or filling a more specialized role. Will his ego be able to accept that kind of career destiny?

I do not believe that Vince Young is destined for Manning or Brady-like success in the NFL. But he sure was really something when he played for the 'Horns.

Of course, he could get lucky (you never know whether some pro team will come out of the woodwork to make their offense 100% Spread and/or Wildcat).

But....mmmmm.... I just don't see it.

 

[CardLogic]

Vince Young ought to shut up and grow up.

 

[blindseyed]

His mom should ask the coach for him

 

[SuperSpck]

A wonderful interpretation of events from Lombardi of the National Football Post.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/06/diner-morning-news-around-the-nfl-3/

[FONT=&quot]FROM MICHAEL LOMBARDI:
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Let me be very clear: I liked Vince Young coming out of college. I felt, in spite of the funny release, that he had enough playmaking ability to become a quality NFL player.
I didn’t think he would ever be a high-percentage passer, but I thought his big play ability would make him a factor. His run skills combined with his size made him very attractive.
Right now, I feel like I didn’t know him well enough as a person and competitor.
In fact, had he been available to the Raiders at No. 7 that year, we would have selected him (not because I liked him, that meant nothing, but because someone else in the building liked him — very much). [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
With that as a backdrop, what made Vince Young utter these statements? He’s only going to anger the people he works with every day — not the front office or the coaches, but his teammates.
The players in that locker room are probably laughing out loud today.
They’re thinking the same thing I’m thinking — and that most of America is thinking:
What are you talking about? [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]He’s missing the whole point —“them guys” are not just the front office or the coaches. “Them guys” are his teammates.
Can you imagine what would happen inside the Titans locker room if Jeff Fisher made a change at quarterback right now?
“Revolt” might be a mild word. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Being ready to play ball is nice for a Little Leaguer. It’s the right term for a high school player. But in pro football, being ready to play doesn’t matter.
Everyone is ready to play, but few are prepared to play.
Being prepared to play is what Vince Young wasn’t in his first year, and so far, as he enters his fourth season in the NFL, he still doesn’t understand the concept of preparation.
When you’re not prepared to play, you throw 32 interceptions in 33 starts; you make mental mistakes in games that cost your team. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Whoever is advising Vince right now needs to tell him to be quiet, don’t issue any ultimatums and just get prepared to play well in preseason practices and games.
It’s what he does on the field, not what he says off the field, that matters most.[/FONT]

 

[MigratingOsprey]

lombardi summed up a lot of what I was thinking on this one

what VY needs to realize is that no one in the organization wants him to fail - just because someone is pressing you, doesn't mean they are out to get you

also, in the NFL the margins are so narrow that you cannot afford to try to get by on just ability - you have to make understanding and preparation part of your ability

he should look at the real greats and how they worked - he should also look at the long list of can't miss talents who never got off the ground

he needs to humble himself - realize he's not that special, he's just another guy in the league who has to earn his spot while retaining the confidence in his ability to know that if he works as hard as everyone else that he will exceed them

so many superstars have never had a setback, have never had to work as hard as the mid-level guys and don't know how to prepare themselves at an elite level

often times they're glossed up as "working harder than he ever has" - that means little as your comparing it to a low mark - how are they working compared to the elites at their position and in the league

also the returns aren't immediate - even while working your butt off you'll still take lumps

i question if VY has the drive, maturity or resolve to ever really make it happen for him

 

[187]

Step 1: Stop sucking.

 

[CardLogic]

...he needs to humble himself - realize he's not that special, he's just another guy in the league who has to earn his spot while retaining the confidence in his ability to know that if he works as hard as everyone else that he will exceed them

so many superstars have never had a setback, have never had to work as hard as the mid-level guys and don't know how to prepare themselves at an elite level

Ding, ding, ding!

Work ethics!

Examine any of the elite performers in the NFL, but particularly those which play QB and you will find one constant; they work harder and do more preparation than the average player.

VY seems to think that he can still get by on athletic ability; of which he unquestionably has in abundance; alone. That simply won't cut it in the NFL, especially at QB.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Get used to dual threat QBs. The NCAA is moving more and more towards QBs who can run the option and make plays with their legs. Expect to see more Pat White types in future drafts and less Manning/Leinart types.

I'm taking all bets on the "success" of Pat White so come and get it. When are people going to learn that unless you run a 4.2 as a QB you are not going to make it in the NFL being a better runner then a passer?

I am laughing at the thought that Pat White is going to be some stud. You think his "college" jukes are going to work in the NFL when the LB's are just as fast as him and 2 X bigger? Same problem Vince Young has had and all others who are better runners then passers. The italicized is important. There are good passers who can also make plays with their feet (i.e Cassel and McNabb) and there are your brilliant passers (Brady, Manning, Rivers) but I have only seen one guy consistently make plays with his feet and thats Mike Vick - who ran a legit 4.2.

It's why White will struggle (and according to Miami OTA reports already is) and Tebow will too unless he diversifys as a QB or at another postion. You think he is going to pound on guys in the NFL? LOL

Besided I think White was overatted to begin with. You saw who the star in that backfield was most of his career with his debut last year with the Texans. I think he had a couple good days in shorts and T-shirt and all of a sudden his agent went into overdrive.

So no I don't agree this is the future of the NFL. I think its the future of the NCAA until a guy who runs a 4.2 and is a mensa member with a cannon arm comes out. But I'm not holding my breath.

JMHO

 

[Mulli]

I agree with Arizona's Finest.

 

[Southpaw]

I agree with Arizona's Finest.

Me too.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

So no I don't agree this is the future of the NFL. I think its the future of the NCAA until a guy who runs a 4.2 and is a mensa member with a cannon arm comes out. But I'm not holding my breath.

JMHO

You just described Terelle Pryor . Okay, maybe not the mensa part. Actually, it will be interesting to see how Young's flop affects Pryor. Pryor is already a better passer and has a stronger arm but that's not saying a whole lot. His mechanics have improved alot this year but, i agree, you still have to be a passing threat first to be a successful QB in the NFL.

 

[Buckybird]

This "dual threat" change has been talked about for years (Kordell Stewart anyone???) and it has yet to materialize.

and in my opinion never will. The rules are set up for the passing game in the NFL.