Vinny Iyer is going to be on 1060AM

[CardsFan88]

I'm not sure when he will be on today, half hour from now? hour? But he supposed to come on and talk about the offseason moves of teams and his infamous Cardinals #1 worst offseason so far article which quite a few of us emailed him on, including me. Could be interesting. Just wanted to let people know.

 

[Red Air Force]

could someone post updates for the out of towners? thanks

 

[Krangodnzr]

He didn't give any insight whatsoever.....I was actually surprised. I thought he would sound like an expert, but he sounded like a casual fan (unlike serious, rabid fans such as ourselves).

He said that he didn't like us getting "older" with signing Smith and Blake, and that they wouldn't fit in long term (duh! I think that is quite apparent). Overall, very weak interview.

 

[pinnacle]

he better stick to writing...sounds horrible on the radio..likes what the redskins did in free agency...funny how his bad list has the Cardinals #1..plus philadelphia, detroit and miami on the list..but he did not mention minnesota..who has done virtually nothing..

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by pinnacle
but he did not mention minnesota..who has done virtually nothing..

Um... I guess. They got another CB in Ken Irvin, a possible Pro-Bowl LB in Chris Claiborne (from a division rival, no less), a very good OT (possibly the best in free agency) in Mike Rosenthal, a backup QB/mentor to Culpepper in Gus Ferrotte, and resigned their best players that were becoming free agents, all while remaining well under the cap.

I'd say that they have a solid B offseason thus far, while AZ has had a C-, at best.

 

[pinnacle]

quote:

Um... I guess. They got another CB in Ken Irvin, a possible Pro-Bowl LB in Chris Claiborne (from a division rival, no less), a very good OT (possibly the best in free agency) in Mike Rosenthal, a backup QB/mentor to Culpepper in Gus Ferrotte, and resigned their best players that were becoming free agents, all while remaining well under the cap.

I'd say that they have a solid B offseason thus far, while AZ has had a C-, at best.

retort: considering the vikings had almost as much $$ to spend as we did...I am not impressed.. Chris Claiborne IMO is not very good and is way overrated....their best defensive back was corey chavous (I would take jackson in my dback field over irvin - although they play different positions)..minnesota had the same record as the cardinals last season - with less injuries..and for the $$ they had - they still have in my opinion as bad a dline as we do, a worse secondary and comparable linebackers..granted their offense is better than ours..but I would not rate their offseason a b. I read reports that they wanted more guys to come and visit - but they could not get players to consider them (sound familiar?)..

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Sound Like An Expert

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
He didn't give any insight whatsoever.....I was actually surprised. I thought he would sound like an expert, but he sounded like a casual fan (unlike serious, rabid fans such as ourselves).

He said that he didn't like us getting "older" with signing Smith and Blake, and that they wouldn't fit in long term (duh! I think that is quite apparent). Overall, very weak interview.

Not only does he not SOUND like an expert.....he doesn't even LOOK like one (not that we do).....I'm just pi$$ed because he didn't answer my e-mail....which was about identical to others.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by pinnacle
quote:

Um... I guess. They got another CB in Ken Irvin, a possible Pro-Bowl LB in Chris Claiborne (from a division rival, no less), a very good OT (possibly the best in free agency) in Mike Rosenthal, a backup QB/mentor to Culpepper in Gus Ferrotte, and resigned their best players that were becoming free agents, all while remaining well under the cap.

I'd say that they have a solid B offseason thus far, while AZ has had a C-, at best.

retort: considering the vikings had almost as much $$ to spend as we did...I am not impressed.. Chris Claiborne IMO is not very good and is way overrated....their best defensive back was corey chavous (I would take jackson in my dback field over irvin - although they play different positions)..minnesota had the same record as the cardinals last season - with less injuries..and for the $$ they had - they still have in my opinion as bad a dline as we do, a worse secondary and comparable linebackers..granted their offense is better than ours..but I would not rate their offseason a b. I read reports that they wanted more guys to come and visit - but they could not get players to consider them (sound familiar?)..

I agree Pinnacle.

I don't know which Chris Claiborne Kerouac was watching, but he has been a big time underachiever, and the second worst team in the NFL wasn't too serious about bringing him back.

Ken Irvin is a nice nickel or dime back. They also got Denard Walker, but he isn't that good either. Mike Rosenthal is ok, but I'm not sure how Kerouac can say he might be the best OT in FA this year (He would probably be our 4th tackle, behind Clement, Shelton, and Big IMO). Frerotte is an OK signing, I agree there.

Overall they really have had a subpar offseason, especially for how much money they had and how good they used to be.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by pinnacle
retort: considering the vikings had almost as much $$ to spend as we did...I am not impressed.. Chris Claiborne IMO is not very good and is way overrated....their best defensive back was corey chavous (I would take jackson in my dback field over irvin - although they play different positions)..minnesota had the same record as the cardinals last season - with less injuries..and for the $$ they had - they still have in my opinion as bad a dline as we do, a worse secondary and comparable linebackers..granted their offense is better than ours..but I would not rate their offseason a b. I read reports that they wanted more guys to come and visit - but they could not get players to consider them (sound familiar?)..

Re-retort: We'll agree to disagree on Claiborne, I suppose, but he's better than what they had. Chavous ended the season playing saftey, so they needed a CB. You can't compare CBs and Safties, because for the most part safties are failed corners, and the jury's still very out on Jackson. After Week 8, we'll know if he's for real (40%) or a product of the players around him and the system (60% probability).

Minnesota finished strong in 2002, with three wins in a row to two tough teams (MIA and NO). They either lead the league in rushing or were second. Their average margin of defeat was 9.3 points. The Cards average margin of defeat for their losses was something like 17.

The Vikes have a better RB, a better QB, a better #1 WR, and equivalent O-line, and a better D-line (they'll probably draft someone here to help Chris Hovan on the inside). They've lost a Fullback and a LB. You tell me who has a brighter future for 2003.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by kerouac9
After Week 8, we'll know if he's for real (40%) or a product of the players around him and the system (60% probability).

That is utter crap. Are you a Las Vegas oddsmaker?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by kerouac9


The Vikes have a better RB, a better QB, a better #1 WR, and equivalent O-line, and a better D-line (they'll probably draft someone here to help Chris Hovan on the inside). They've lost a Fullback and a LB. You tell me who has a brighter future for 2003.

They do have a better RB, QB, #1 WR, but their OL is way inferior even with the signing of Rosenthal. They need edge rusherS as bad, if not worse than we do, and even with Claiborne, they still need another proven linebacker.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Hmmmm...anyone besides me notice how Kerouac's posts in regard to the Cards normally tend to be pessimistic and as if he almost carries a chip on his shoulder in regard to them?
Yet when he talks about other teams he does a 180 degree turn and drags out the rose colored glasses.
Ahhhhhh yesssss........ objectivity.....such an elusive shadow.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I agree Pinnacle.

I don't know which Chris Claiborne Kerouac was watching, but he has been a big time underachiever, and the second worst team in the NFL wasn't too serious about bringing him back.

Ken Irvin is a nice nickel or dime back. They also got Denard Walker, but he isn't that good either. Mike Rosenthal is ok, but I'm not sure how Kerouac can say he might be the best OT in FA this year (He would probably be our 4th tackle, behind Clement, Shelton, and Big IMO). Frerotte is an OK signing, I agree there.

Overall they really have had a subpar offseason, especially for how much money they had and how good they used to be.

Hey, the Vikes are trying to cure their crappy D. Give 'em credit. They've done more to improve their D in signing 2 starters than we've done to help ours, while at the same time maintaining consistency in thier roster and improving their offense, not causing it to self destruct and be overhaulled.

Don't overcredit the Lions' personnel department. They're the ones who are paying Dre' Bly like he's Charles Woodson. Claiborne is trying to make an effort in Minnesota, doing the offseason conditioning program, etc. It might work out, it might not, but they're at least doing something.

I said that Rosenthal might have been the best OT in free agency, I didn't say he was the best OT in the league or anything. Who was better? Now, they do have a pretty meanacing O-line, with him and McKinney, to go with that league-leading ground attack. He was the best O-Lineman on the Giant's squad.

The Vikes have worked to make thier team better, and probably aren't done, and have less holes to fill using the draft. Their D gave up nearly 28 points a game. If they can improve the pass rush and get a corner in the draft, they will be a legitimate playoff contender in 2003.

And they haven't lost anyone of merit.

 

[pinnacle]

I think minnesota is pretty bad..we shall see...right now we actually have a better defense. Cincy also beat new orleans near the end of the season - the saints were in a tailspin.. it was a good win over miami..but even the cardinals beat the giants last season..so every blind squirrel finds an acorn on occasion. The positive is that minnesota is in the worst division in the NFL..looks like the packers are losing guys and I have not noticed any high profile signings (by the way - why are the packers not a bottom 5 team - or are they?).

The only way that one can justify that the cardinals have had the worst free agency is to assume the following (which many national writers do):

1. Jake plummer is a future all pro quarterback and currently a top 10 qb in the league.
2. Jake Blake is a bottom 5 qb in the league.
3. All of our other free agent signings from other teams are not upgrades over guys we have...

I think all 3 of the above are false. We get knocked for the handling of boston..but I was the guy last season harping that boston hated it here and was a cancer in the locker room..not a good move in getting rid of him for nothing..so that is a negative.

We need a pass rush...and a wide receiver (a #1 veteran). We will probably fill the receiver thru free agency (sanders or other)..I do not think our offseason free agency has been bottom five..there are teams like the cowboys that are weak and have done virtually nothing..but no one nationally will dare pick on tuna..philly deserves an F..but it is hard to pick on them..so at least they rank above us.. The raiders lost a bunch of decent players and have signed virtually no one...there are plenty of bottom five candidates.

 

[Skkorpion]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Um... I guess. They got another CB in Ken Irvin, a possible Pro-Bowl LB in Chris Claiborne (from a division rival, no less), a very good OT (possibly the best in free agency) in Mike Rosenthal, a backup QB/mentor to Culpepper in Gus Ferrotte, and resigned their best players that were becoming free agents, all while remaining well under the cap.

I'd say that they have a solid B offseason thus far, while AZ has had a C-, at best.

wow. Talk about spin. Ken Irwin is serviceable. My fellow Irishman, Mike Rosenthal, is a Giants reject who was tried at both * and T, and couldn't play either very well.

And lastly, a LB bust from USC who helped get two coaches fired.

Yep, Kerouac, we are blind but you are genius.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I am going to laugh my ass off when we draft Leftwich.

 

[Skkorpion]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
Hmmmm...anyone besides me notice how Kerouac's posts in regard to the Cards normally tend to be pessimistic and as if he almost carries a chip on his shoulder in regard to them?
Yet when he talks about other teams he does a 180 degree turn and drags out the rose colored glasses.
Ahhhhhh yesssss........ objectivity.....such an elusive shadow.

Yes, Tango, I've noticed. And I'll watch to see if Kerouac turns out to be just another Cards hating troll.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
I am going to laugh my ass off when we draft Leftwich.

I'd be psyched with The Big ******.

Maybe work in a McCown draft day trade or something.


Hang on, I'll start an Official Rumor thread...

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Hey, the Vikes are trying to cure their crappy D. Give 'em credit. They've done more to improve their D in signing 2 starters than we've done to help ours, while at the same time maintaining consistency in thier roster and improving their offense, not causing it to self destruct and be overhaulled.

Don't overcredit the Lions' personnel department. They're the ones who are paying Dre' Bly like he's Charles Woodson. Claiborne is trying to make an effort in Minnesota, doing the offseason conditioning program, etc. It might work out, it might not, but they're at least doing something.

I said that Rosenthal might have been the best OT in free agency, I didn't say he was the best OT in the league or anything. Who was better? Now, they do have a pretty meanacing O-line, with him and McKinney, to go with that league-leading ground attack. He was the best O-Lineman on the Giant's squad.

The Vikes have worked to make thier team better, and probably aren't done, and have less holes to fill using the draft. Their D gave up nearly 28 points a game. If they can improve the pass rush and get a corner in the draft, they will be a legitimate playoff contender in 2003.

And they haven't lost anyone of merit.

First off, two or three (Matt Birk) don't make an oline great.

Secondly, I would say that the Giants don't agree that Rosenthal was their best lineman, considering that Luke Pettigout got a contract from the Giants that was almost TWICE what Rosenthal got.

And they haven't lost anyone of merit, because basically other than their offensive players, everyone else sucks.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Yes, Tango, I've noticed. And I'll watch to see if Kerouac turns out to be just another Cards hating troll.

Sheesh - what is this site being run by the U.S. government? JK - but seriously - any Cardinal fan should have a chip on the shoulder - look at what we've been watching for decades?! I mean my god - i like some of the moves we have made so far this offseason (excluding Emmit) - but guys, the fact that we haven't addressed our most glaring needs YET means that the offseason is anything but a success, as it stands.

 

[pinnacle]

The point I was trying to make is that I do not think our offseason deserves the #1 worst.. there are plenty of teams out there who are worse off now..the raiders had to cut a bunch of decent players to get under the cap..and they have not signed anyone decent..philly lost 3 very good defensive players and have not really signed anyone..by no means do I mean to imply the cardinals have had a top 5 offseason..

I have been harping pass rush since last season..for the 121st time _ I will repeat my key to success in the NFL - the only teams in the NFC that made the playoffs were the ones that had a positive turnover ratio. the rest of the NFC teams stayed home and had negative regular season turnover ratios.. the cards could go a long ways towards fixing this by doing 2 things: get a pass rush to put heat on the qb and force turnovers..and get a new qb who is not as turnover prone as jake. QB has been upgraded...need a pass rush..but the only guy in FA so far who would have turned our pass rush around was colvin..and we offered him the most $$$ ..but he was not coming here..Can anyone name a free agent defensive end (or outside lb who is primarily a dend on passing plays like colvin) who signed elsewhere? KGB - we would have had to give him a huge contract and the #6 pick in the draft..not worth it..

 

[BACH]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Um... I guess. They got another CB in Ken Irvin, a possible Pro-Bowl LB in Chris Claiborne (from a division rival, no less), a very good OT (possibly the best in free agency) in Mike Rosenthal, a backup QB/mentor to Culpepper in Gus Ferrotte, and resigned their best players that were becoming free agents, all while remaining well under the cap.

I'd say that they have a solid B offseason thus far, while AZ has had a C-, at best.

WHAT!!!!
Ken Irvin was the nickelback in the 2nd worst CB groups in the league (Saints). Since the Vikings had THE worst you could argue that it's an upgrade, but Minnesota is still the only place in the league where Ken Irvin could start.

Claiborne - a possible Pro-bowler?? Well, he was when he was drafted. So was Thomas Jones. Not anymore. If he has such a huge upside, don't you think that the Lions would have found a way to match a two year deal with only $1M in garanteed money?

Rosenthal - the best OT in Free agency!!! What have you been smoking??
Does Flozell Adams, Mo Collins, Wayne Gandy, Walter Jones, Orlando Pace, Solomon Page, Luke Petitgout, Chris Terry, Richmond Webb, James Williams & Ryan Young not exist in your universe?
Can you explain why Gandy, Jones, Pace, Page and Petitgout all have been paid $5M+, when Rosenthal, "the best of the group", got $800.000 per year? That's very close to minimum wage for a veteran....

Resigned their best players... They've franchised Kleinsasser. Other than that they've resigned ONE starter DE Lance Johnstone. Is he the great player you give them credit for resigning? Only one other team (Giants) brought him in and they didn't even offer him a contact. Yeah, I'm sure such a high profile player will make the difference for the Vikes!

I'll give them credit for signing CB Denard Walker. He's a solid starter, but the Vikings still lack a #1 CB.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Sheesh - what is this site being run by the U.S. government? JK - but seriously - any Cardinal fan should have a chip on the shoulder - look at what we've been watching for decades?! I mean my god - i like some of the moves we have made so far this offseason (excluding Emmit) - but guys, the fact that we haven't addressed our most glaring needs YET means that the offseason is anything but a success, as it stands.

HOGWASH!!!!
Any supposedly Card fan carrying around a chip on their shoulder right now is either: (A)- Not really a Card fan, (B) Just another of your average pizzer and moaner who's never going to be pleased with anything, (C)-Living in the past, (D) Clueless,
(E) any or all of the above.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
HOGWASH!!!!
Any supposedly Card fan carrying around a chip on their shoulder right now is either: (A)- Not really a Card fan, (B) Just another of your average pizzer and moaner who's never going to be pleased with anything, (C)-Living in the past, (D) Clueless,
(E) any or all of the above.

Now that's hogwash. Who are you to say who is and who is not a fan? Who are you to judge those of us who don't immediately embrace evey move the organization makes and stamp an "A" on every Cards season and off-season?

The Cards' obvious problem on D didn't have anything to do with backups (Darling) or safety play (Jackson). It had to do with inability to rush the passer (D-line) and inability to stop the run (LB Corps, mainly MLB/DT). The Cards have not addressed either of these issues.

SI called the Cards' offense in the 2002 preseason a "six-cylinder engine that's hitting only on five cylinders." After a diasppointing season offensively, we decided to put in a new enginge: a four-cylinder. We let our best player walk for nothing, and our most recognizable and marketable player (remember those NFL Ticket adds?) leave with an embarassing contract offer, and him talking crap nationally about the organization ("I want you, too"), while placing a classy ad in the state paper thanking the fans. We let our best return man leave when our special teams were one of the five worst in the league. What have we done? We signed a full back who everyone here is totally overrating (FBs don't do anything in today's game!). We signed an old RB who nobody else wanted and who's maybe as good as the starter we have, but no better now, in a P.R./marketing move that should embarrass fans who like the Cards because they're the Cards. We signed a couple backups, which helps, but doesn't address the real problems with this team.

On the Colvin issue, it doesn't matter how hard the Cards tried to bring him in, they failed. If I try really hard on a math test, but still only get a 40%, I still failed the test. The Cards failed the "premier free agent" test this offseason, again.

The Cards were not the worst team in free agency thus far, but to say anything more than that they've treaded water is a gross overstatement. There are a number of teams that have had a worse offseason than us, but there are a lot of teams that have done a lot to make themselves better, and a lot that tried really hard but may have overreached.