Walter Mitchell article
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Harry
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I wasn't sure about the "resourceful" part of Graves performance. What was it that you saw as resourceful?
As to your draft scenario, I agree Roethlisberger might slide to the Cards. Hopefully, if he does, some team will over-pay the Cards for the right to select him. He could develop, but the risk is to great. Manning was the prize and the game now is to find a good salvage plan.
As to your draft scenario, I agree Roethlisberger might slide to the Cards. Hopefully, if he does, some team will over-pay the Cards for the right to select him. He could develop, but the risk is to great. Manning was the prize and the game now is to find a good salvage plan.
bigredjane
& amp; quot ;Car d s Crazy
I like-
Big Ben, I think he is the one, this is the time of the big, rough quarterback.
Big Ben, I think he is the one, this is the time of the big, rough quarterback.
Evil Ash
Henchman Supreme
Doesn't seem like you think that highly of Ben R. Why is that (just out of curiousity)?
Personally, I haven't seen enough of him to make a judgement on him one way or the other.
wierwolf
Koolaid Guzzler
Big Ben... Must have..... Nice avatar Evil
RLakin
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"Bidwill has, first and foremost, put his heart, wallet and soul into building the new stadium..."
Without addressing the ridiculousness of the Graves comments, I'm interested by the comment of Bidwill's putting his "wallet" into building the new stadium. It's a very shortsighted, misleading, and under researched comment.
Without addressing the ridiculousness of the Graves comments, I'm interested by the comment of Bidwill's putting his "wallet" into building the new stadium. It's a very shortsighted, misleading, and under researched comment.
87 million dollars isn't chump change Rodney, and they did it without PSL's
As per usual you attack someone's statement but don't include the reason why you *think* they are wrong. Why is this a "shortsighted, misleading, and under researched comment"
RLakin
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Actually when it comes to new stadiums it kind of is.
From John Dougherty of the New Times:
"But on closer examination, it appears the Cardinals will put none of their money into the project.
The agreement between TSA and the team allows the Cardinals to retain 100 percent of the naming rights for the stadium that is built primarily with public funds. Naming rights sell from anywhere from $50 million to several hundred million dollars.
But it's not just the naming rights deal that will cover most -- if not all -- of the Cardinals' 'contribution' to the project.
The NFL operates a $1 billion-plus fund to help franchises build new stadiums. Each team contributes to the fund by paying a portion of revenue generated by premium-priced club seats.
Known as the 'G3' program, the NFL stadium fund provides between 34 percent and 50 percent of a team's contribution toward building a new stadium. The larger the market, the greater the NFL's contribution toward stadium construction.
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello says the league approved a G3 distribution to the Cardinals at the NFL's annual meeting last fall. Aiello declined to state the amount, recommending that New Times call the Cardinals. The team declined to comment.
However, TSA boss Ferris says that the NFL's contribution is about 34 percent of the team's $85 million pledge, or roughly $28 million. Sports consultant Gannis also says the Cardinals received about this amount.
At the same time the Cardinals have managed to reduce the amount of money they are investing into the project, the team has negotiated a stadium-use agreement with TSA that allows the team to collect all ticket revenue from home games, all concession, parking and luxury suite revenue and all advertising except for temporary advertising related to the Fiesta Bowl."
From John Dougherty of the New Times:
"But on closer examination, it appears the Cardinals will put none of their money into the project.
The agreement between TSA and the team allows the Cardinals to retain 100 percent of the naming rights for the stadium that is built primarily with public funds. Naming rights sell from anywhere from $50 million to several hundred million dollars.
But it's not just the naming rights deal that will cover most -- if not all -- of the Cardinals' 'contribution' to the project.
The NFL operates a $1 billion-plus fund to help franchises build new stadiums. Each team contributes to the fund by paying a portion of revenue generated by premium-priced club seats.
Known as the 'G3' program, the NFL stadium fund provides between 34 percent and 50 percent of a team's contribution toward building a new stadium. The larger the market, the greater the NFL's contribution toward stadium construction.
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello says the league approved a G3 distribution to the Cardinals at the NFL's annual meeting last fall. Aiello declined to state the amount, recommending that New Times call the Cardinals. The team declined to comment.
However, TSA boss Ferris says that the NFL's contribution is about 34 percent of the team's $85 million pledge, or roughly $28 million. Sports consultant Gannis also says the Cardinals received about this amount.
At the same time the Cardinals have managed to reduce the amount of money they are investing into the project, the team has negotiated a stadium-use agreement with TSA that allows the team to collect all ticket revenue from home games, all concession, parking and luxury suite revenue and all advertising except for temporary advertising related to the Fiesta Bowl."
...how about the advertising money the cardinals spent during the failed Rio Salado proposal, the architect renderings, etc or the money they spent having the Tempe site looked at by an independent consultant about the FAA requirements. Not to mention the studies they paid for the find out the environmental impact of the proposed site (They had to do this TWICE, one in Mesa, one in Tempe) How about the property they had to purchase for the failed sites.
The Cardinals have spent so much of their own money to get this done....nice little spin though
The Cardinals have spent so much of their own money to get this done....nice little spin though
RLakin
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Talk about spin. I'm thinking that if the naming rights and "G3" pay for the Bidwill "generous" donation of $85 mill, it will probably cover the other minor things that you mentioned. And when talking about the wasted property the Bidwills bought, you conviently left out the rather sleazy process of a "neutral" site selection which happended to drop the stadium on the doorsteps of land the Bidwills owned, only to lose out on that investment (at that's exactly what it was) because of flight pattern concerns. Face it, everything you mentioned was done in the sole interest of the Bidwill's and they expect to collect on their investments (not donations). There's nothing wrong with that. What is wrong, however, is portraying it as a generous donation of money when in fact it is a business investment that will be paid for by stadium naming rights and the NFL.
hmmmmm. This looks like the same 'ol, same 'ol, pieces of broken record I saw laying around the azcentral board bastion of chronic complainers, the occasional times I checked there, a few months ago.
Why contaminate this board too, with this?
Your seemingly unending and neurotic obsesssion about this reminds me of old Timmy whathisname, who has been running around exposing his arse for years now... on every board... and in every way he can... about how the Cards "need" to change their name.
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The Bidwills contracted to purchase the land by the Tempe site after it was awarded. Once the site was kaboshed, the contract was null, so the Bidwills never owned land by that site.
BTW, I wonder what happened with the lawsuit between the Cardinals and Tempe over that site? That just went away quietly. Settlement?
BTW, I wonder what happened with the lawsuit between the Cardinals and Tempe over that site? That just went away quietly. Settlement?
jmr667
Random Poster
Whoa. So what you are saying is the Cardinals organization is a "for profit" business and not a stadium building charity?
Well, I for one, am extremely shocked to find out about this. Does the league know they are actually trying to turn a profit out here in the desert? Is that legal?
The key is that the local taxpayers are not having to "pony up" to pay for the stadium.
Here in Mo. 'all' taxpayers ( even those in the western part of the state who are Chief fans) annually have to pay part of their state tax money to pay for Rams stadium. In addition any season ticket holder had to pay $6000 per seat PSL to have the right to purchase a season ticket. And I hated the Rams even before they pulled off the biggest heist of public money in history.
Here in Mo. 'all' taxpayers ( even those in the western part of the state who are Chief fans) annually have to pay part of their state tax money to pay for Rams stadium. In addition any season ticket holder had to pay $6000 per seat PSL to have the right to purchase a season ticket. And I hated the Rams even before they pulled off the biggest heist of public money in history.
bigredjane
& amp; quot ;Car d s Crazy
Bidwill --
has said from the start that he will not charge the season ticket holders a license fee for season ticket rights. I hope that will not change.
has said from the start that he will not charge the season ticket holders a license fee for season ticket rights. I hope that will not change.
So, answer me this...how is naming rights that 100% belong to the Cardinals NOT considered "Their Money?"
It seems to me, that if they are paying 80 million +, and even if it comes from naming rights or WHATEVER, then they are putting in 80million+ of THEIR money.
You people are weird. For once, the Cardinals and the Bidwills are trying to do the right things, they are signing and extending contracts, using escalator clauses and didn't promote from within or just hire a Head Coach and got rid of the whole staff. At a time when they are making the right moves, only trolls and haters are the ones still bitching.
It seems to me, that if they are paying 80 million +, and even if it comes from naming rights or WHATEVER, then they are putting in 80million+ of THEIR money.
You people are weird. For once, the Cardinals and the Bidwills are trying to do the right things, they are signing and extending contracts, using escalator clauses and didn't promote from within or just hire a Head Coach and got rid of the whole staff. At a time when they are making the right moves, only trolls and haters are the ones still bitching.
artp
Registered
I agree that many people are overlooking the tremendous strides that Cardinal management has made this yr IMO. Its not in personel moves, but rather in a new philosophy of running the team. Does anyone believe that firing the HC and the enire staff while paying off the remainder of the contracts was not the correct decision? Did anyone ever think that the "old" management would do something like this? For the first time in 40 years, I am begining to think that the franchise is catching up with the rest of teh NFL.
RLakin
All Star
The agreement between TSA and the team allows the Cardinals to retain 100 percent of the naming rights for the stadium that is built primarily with public funds.
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
Public funds is misleading. Call it what it is, a consumption tax.
I haven't paid a dime for the stadium; all those sorry out of town Vikings, Packers, and Niners fans have.
Renz
An Army of One
Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Public funds is misleading. Call it what it is, a consumption tax.
I haven't paid a dime for the stadium; all those sorry out of town Vikings, Packers, and Niners fans have.
Unless you rent a lot of cars or stay in hotels a lot, you aren't going to be paying for the stadium.
And naming rights aren't what they used to be. My guess is that the Cardinals will get around $2 mil. a year for their naming rights. The D-Backs get about that, so at that rate it will take 40 years to re-coup $80 mil.
http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/stadiumnames.html
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bratwurst
on double secret probation
According to that chart, the Ravens are getting $5 a year for their naming rights. Must be a misprint. Anyway you look at it, $5 is more than PSINet could probably afford to pay!
