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Let's take a look back at the 49ers' 2011 Draft as a potential model---and when we do we can discern some very interesting parallels:

1-Following a miserable 6-10 season, the 49ers fired HC Mike Singletary in favor of hiring offensive guru Jim Harbaugh. While their defense was very good---their offense was generally ineffective.

2-The 49ers had addressed their primary needs on the offensive line in the previous draft.

3-While the temptation was there to reach for a QB at #7 (e.g., Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder---or one of the top offensive difference makers, especially to satisfy the new offensive-minded HC, they drafted a defensive difference maker at #7 in OLB/DE Aldon Smith. Smith was a down lineman at Missouri used at DE and DT, so scouts wondered about his transition to 34 OLB---but that did not deter the 49ers---they chose Smith over Robert Quinn, Ryan Kerrigan and Adrian Clayborn. This week the 49ers have said that Aldon Smith was their MVP this year.

4. The 49ers waited until the 2nd round to take Colin Kaepernick, the QB with the best arm in the draft---a QB who was very raw and had motion issues in college. But they liked the big arm and thought they could coach this kid up.

5. In the 3rd round they went back to defense and selected CB Chris Culliver, who would turn out to be their starting CB across from Carlos Rogers.

6. In the 4th round they took Kendall Hunter, a nifty RB from Oklahoma St, as a nice change of pace RB to Frank Gore.

7. From there they drafted two guards, a safety, a WR, a FB and another CB.

Now---this may seem surprising to you, so please bear with me---but with a slight switch in Rounds 3-4---look at how this draft could shape up for the Cardinals if they use the 49ers 2011 Draft as a model.

Round 1 (#7): DE/OLB Ezekiel Ansah, 6-6, 270, BYU.

There is no player in this draft who resembles Aldon Smith more precisely than Ziggy Ansah. What makes Smith so special is his combination of size (6-4, 264), speed and quickness to the ball. When you watch Ansah on tape, he gets to the ball as fast and quickly as Smith, and even though Ansah is raw---and let me remind you that so was Smith two years ago when he was drafted---wait until new defensive line pass rushing specialist Tom Pratt gets his hands on Ansah. That is a golden match---Ansah's talent and Pratt's mentoring.

Round 2 (#38): QB Tyler Bray, 6-6, 210, Tennessee.

Bray has the strongest arm in this draft and he throws the best deep ball, which is made to order for Bruce Arians' offense. What scouts question about Bray is his longer than desired 3/4 delivery. Well, the longer than desired 3/4 delivery has not hurt Philip Rivers. Bray is an accurate thrower---what he needs to learn, mechanics-wise, is the step more consistently forward into his throws, as he tends to do what most young QBs do---throw off his back foot. When I watched tapes of Colin Kaepernick two years ago, I saw the same things---longer than desired delivery, many times at 3/4 arm angles and throwing off the back foot. But the accuracy and RPMs (despite the back-fotted delivery) jumped out on tape---as it does with Bray.

Round 3 (#69): CB Tyrann Mathieu, 5-9, 179, LSU.

Here's our starter opposite Patrick Peterson, Honey Badger's best friend and supporter. Here is a first round talent who made some boneheaded decisions last year. He said he was depressed following the loss to Alabama in the NCAA Championship Game, so he was smoking weed. He says he's focused now, revitalized by PP's workouts and he is off the weed. With Mathieu, don't let his smaller than ideal size fool you. He has an eye-opening vertical---and tremendous instincts for finding the ball once it's in the air.

Round 4: (#100): RB Stepfan Taylor, 5-11, 209, Stanford.

If Bruce Arians could get 820 yards out of 5th round rookie Vic Ballard, imagine what he could do with Taylor. What Taylor is---he's strong, determined, consistent and dependable (as a runner, blocker and receiver). He's just not flashy, nor is he a home run threat---which is why, like Ballard, 6th rounder Alfred Morris (redskins' 1000 yard rookie rusher) and other non-flashy, non home run threat RBs, he will very likely be available at #100. Taylor is a winner---and he will get you that extra yard on short yardage situations.

Round 5: (#133): G David Quessenberry, 6-5, 292, San Jose St.

Played left tackle at San Jose St. and was regarded by many as the best pass blocker in the WAC. At the Senior Bowl he played guard and adapted to it very well. It would not surprise me that under Harold Goodwin's tutelage that Quessenberry would become the starting RG at some point next season.

Round 6: (#166): WR Denard Robinson, 5-11, 195, Michigan.

Tried to transition to WR at the Senior Bowl and despite an injured thumb, showed some flashes. With his speed, hands and open-field running ability, Bruce Arians could develop him in the way he developed T.Y. Hilton last year (WR hitches, screens, reverses, seam splitters). Plus, he gives you an exciting option as a red zone or situational read option QB---and what is sometimes overlooked, he could be the scout team QB for Russell Wilson as the Cardinals prepare for the Seahawks.

Round 6: (#167): S Duke Williams, 6-0, 185, Nevada.

Williams may not be as big as scouts prefer (which is why he will still be available in the 6th round)---but don't let that fool you. He forces the run from the SS position like a linebacker, and he has the quicks to dog receivers in the short and intermediate zones. These good Nevada defenders---they know how to step up and make plays. Very impressive.

Round 6: (#179): ILB A.J. Klein, 6-1, 240, Iowa St.

What's to like about Klein is that not only is a very good run stuffer, he's nifty in coverage. I believe he had 4 pick sixes to his credit at Iowa St.

Recap:

The Cardinals get a dynamic athletic speed rusher, the strongest-armed QB in the draft, a starting RCB, a solid rotation RB, a possible first year starter at RG, a slot WR threat/great athlete, good depth and potential at SS and ILB.

That's pretty much what the 49ers got two years ago.:newcards:
 
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I wouldn't touch the Honey Badger with a 10 foot bong, but other than that it's a good draft plan and assessment.
 

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To measure the success of the 49ers you have to go back to the draft a year earlier in 2010. They had two first round picks and took OT Anthony Tomas and OG Mike Iupati. They now have the best offensive line in football while we have one of the worst. The last time the Cards took an OL in round 1 was Levi Brown in 2007.
IMO the Cards OL & QB is our biggest need.
 

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Comparing anything the Niners do to the Cards is like comparing the Yankees to the Padres. The day (or years) you see the Cards emulating the Niners is the day they begin..... well, looking like a winner.
 

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ditto these last two posts.....

I live in Baton Rouge these days.....just say NO to the honey badger....unless its in the seventh or something...

and it is waaaaaayyyy past time the Cardinals STOP trying to coach up fat boys and DRAFT top notch ready to play offensive linemen....

I just saw a mock that had Warmack going to the steelers....DeCastro last year...Warmack this year....wouldnt that just be a shame? But the mock was making a safe choice as THAT is how Pittsburgh drafts, and THAT is why Pittsburgh has SEVEN RINGS!!


I know many would be pissed off....but it would not hurt my feelings if we drafted O-Line with every pick in the first few rounds, this draft is deep in linemen...but instead of using that as an excuse to wait and get one later, we should jump in and secure the BEST of a very good draft class of O-Linemen.....taking advantage of a drafts depth at lineman always has us getting developmental linemen which we dont need....seriously....even with his injury, and sitting out the season....wouldnt you trade Floyd straight up for DeCastro right now? I surely would.
 

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ditto these last two posts.....

I live in Baton Rouge these days.....just say NO to the honey badger....unless its in the seventh or something...

and it is waaaaaayyyy past time the Cardinals STOP trying to coach up fat boys and DRAFT top notch ready to play offensive linemen....

I just saw a mock that had Warmack going to the steelers....DeCastro last year...Warmack this year....wouldnt that just be a shame? But the mock was making a safe choice as THAT is how Pittsburgh drafts, and THAT is why Pittsburgh has SEVEN RINGS!!


I know many would be pissed off....but it would not hurt my feelings if we drafted O-Line with every pick in the first few rounds, this draft is deep in linemen...but instead of using that as an excuse to wait and get one later, we should jump in and secure the BEST of a very good draft class of O-Linemen.....taking advantage of a drafts depth at lineman always has us getting developmental linemen which we dont need....seriously....even with his injury, and sitting out the season....wouldnt you trade Floyd straight up for DeCastro right now? I surely would.

DeCastro played the last 4 games for Steelers and even started 3 of them.By the way i am hoping Warmack or Fisher or Joeckel.O-Line.O-line
 

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To measure the success of the 49ers you have to go back to the draft a year earlier in 2010. They had two first round picks and took OT Anthony Tomas and OG Mike Iupati. They now have the best offensive line in football while we have one of the worst. The last time the Cards took an OL in round 1 was Levi Brown in 2007.
IMO the Cards OL & QB is our biggest need.

Well we also took an OL last year (2012 draft) Massie in Round 4.
Just think that is the lowest drafted OL by the Cards since Levi Brown in 2007.

Isn't that pathetic.
 

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Wasn't Davis and Brown first rd picks by the Cards? Same old Cards? Last year great pick with Massie and Maybe Potter. Not first round but quality. IMO we take the QB Bray in 2nd and a defensive playmaker or Guard in 1st. I pretty much agree with Mitch's take on the way the 9rs built thier team.

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"Colin Kaepernick, the QB with the best arm in the draft"

I agree with his importance Mitch but it is his scrambling ability and not his big arm which has made him more valuable. The Falcons went into Cardinal mode of the prior two seasons in the fact they seemed to put no one covering TE Davis in the NFC championship game. Was watching the game with my brother who is a die hard Falcon fan and he was screaming, "could you please not let Davis run wide open, anybody could throw him the ball!"

and Mitch you stated this, "2-The 49ers had addressed their primary needs on the offensive line in the previous draft." ...well we have not to a sufficient extent, you cannot ignore the OL in the draft if you are following the Niner mold and we have yet to fulfill that part of the plan
 
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Comparing anything the Niners do to the Cards is like comparing the Yankees to the Padres. The day (or years) you see the Cards emulating the Niners is the day they begin..... well, looking like a winner.

nah, that is bunk, because for sometime the Niners where worst off building a team than the Cardinals after Steve Young left. I agree they have their game plan together now but a Yankee/Padre route is a poor comparison because it was us winning back to back division titles a short time ago.
 

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Mitch - Your first OL draft pick is Quesenbury at #5.

I seem to remember the Niners loading up on offensive linemen over a 3 year period - suggesting that, if you're going to go light on OL's this year, you'd better set up your draft strategy for a longer period - possibly 2 - 3 years going forward (which, in turn could paint yourself in a corner of having to draft for need in Year 2 or Year 3).
 

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2-The 49ers had addressed their primary needs on the offensive line in the previous draft.

And when (IMO) we've truly addressed this, we can indulge this 49 scenario.
 

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Well there you have it. The Niners had taken care of their OL and we haven't. When we do we can draft like they did.

The Cardinals would be insane to take Bray with the 38th pick. He is a project and has some attitude issues. Many Vols fans are happy he left early.
 

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To measure the success of the 49ers you have to go back to the draft a year earlier in 2010. They had two first round picks and took OT Anthony Tomas and OG Mike Iupati. They now have the best offensive line in football while we have one of the worst. The last time the Cards took an OL in round 1 was Levi Brown in 2007.
IMO the Cards OL & QB is our biggest need.
Yep.
 

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Not a bad plan, but if Ansah was the target, I would attempt to trade back and pick up extra picks. Another target in a trade back scenario would be Dion Jordan. It will be interesting to see where he ends being drafted.

I had to laugh at Mathieu's excuse of being depressed so he smoked weed. As to imply he had never done it before.

I know the first time I was ever depressed, my first thought was to go out and pick up a dime bag. :D
 

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Mitch, I like your picks, but don't think the Cards can afford to ONCE AGAIN pass on the OL in the first round. Aldon Smith might have been SF's MVP, but their OL was a very strong unit. With your picks the same couldn't be said about the Cards, not counting Free Agency. Have to go OL, imo, in the first round.
 

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2-The 49ers had addressed their primary needs on the offensive line in the previous draft.

And when (IMO) we've truly addressed this, we can indulge this 49 scenario.

If we only come out of this with Ol Quesenberry, there will be a riot. I am not one like those suggesting our top two picks should be OL, but we need immediate help on out OL from a rookie. Thats asking a lot of a later round pick.
 

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Appreciate your work Mitch, though I don't agree. With this draft being the deepest in one of this teams beacons of ineptness you have to adrress, I would think you would want to address it early. Personally I would like to see OL, then LB/Dline, then OL. But I am certainly not a football guru.
 

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Let's take a look back at the 49ers' 2011 Draft as a potential model---and when we do we can discern some very interesting parallels:

1-Following a miserable 6-10 season, the 49ers fired HC Mike Singletary in favor of hiring offensive guru Jim Harbaugh. While their defense was very good---their offense was generally ineffective.

2-The 49ers had addressed their primary needs on the offensive line in the previous draft.

3-While the temptation was there to reach for a QB at #7 (e.g., Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder---or one of the top offensive difference makers, especially to satisfy the new offensive-minded HC, they drafted a defensive difference maker at #7 in OLB/DE Aldon Smith. Smith was a down lineman at Missouri used at DE and DT, so scouts wondered about his transition to 34 OLB---but that did not deter the 49ers---they chose Smith over Robert Quinn, Ryan Kerrigan and Adrian Clayborn. This week the 49ers have said that Aldon Smith was their MVP this year.

4. The 49ers waited until the 2nd round to take Colin Kaepernick, the QB with the best arm in the draft---a QB who was very raw and had motion issues in college. But they liked the big arm and thought they could coach this kid up.

5. In the 3rd round they went back to defense and selected CB Chris Culliver, who would turn out to be their starting CB across from Carlos Rogers.

6. In the 4th round they took Kendall Hunter, a nifty RB from Oklahoma St, as a nice change of pace RB to Frank Gore.

7. From there they drafted two guards, a safety, a WR, a FB and another CB.

Now---this may seem surprising to you, so please bear with me---but with a slight switch in Rounds 3-4---look at how this draft could shape up for the Cardinals if they use the 49ers 2011 Draft as a model.

Round 1 (#7): DE/OLB Ezekiel Ansah, 6-6, 270, BYU.

There is no player in this draft who resembles Aldon Smith more precisely than Ziggy Ansah. What makes Smith so special is his combination of size (6-4, 264), speed and quickness to the ball. When you watch Ansah on tape, he gets to the ball as fast and quickly as Smith, and even though Ansah is raw---and let me remind you that so was Smith two years ago when he was drafted---wait until new defensive line pass rushing specialist Tom Pratt gets his hands on Ansah. That is a golden match---Ansah's talent and Pratt's mentoring.

Round 2 (#38): QB Tyler Bray, 6-6, 210, Tennessee.

Bray has the strongest arm in this draft and he throws the best deep ball, which is made to order for Bruce Arians' offense. What scouts question about Bray is his longer than desired 3/4 delivery. Well, the longer than desired 3/4 delivery has not hurt Philip Rivers. Bray is an accurate thrower---what he needs to learn, mechanics-wise, is the step more consistently forward into his throws, as he tends to do what most young QBs do---throw off his back foot. When I watched tapes of Colin Kaepernick two years ago, I saw the same things---longer than desired delivery, many times at 3/4 arm angles and throwing off the back foot. But the accuracy and RPMs (despite the back-fotted delivery) jumped out on tape---as it does with Bray.

Round 3 (#69): CB Tyrann Mathieu, 5-9, 179, LSU.

Here's our starter opposite Patrick Peterson, Honey Badger's best friend and supporter. Here is a first round talent who made some boneheaded decisions last year. He said he was depressed following the loss to Alabama in the NCAA Championship Game, so he was smoking weed. He says he's focused now, revitalized by PP's workouts and he is off the weed. With Mathieu, don't let his smaller than ideal size fool you. He has an eye-opening vertical---and tremendous instincts for finding the ball once it's in the air.

Round 4: (#100): RB Stepfan Taylor, 5-11, 209, Stanford.

If Bruce Arians could get 820 yards out of 5th round rookie Vic Ballard, imagine what he could do with Taylor. What Taylor is---he's strong, determined, consistent and dependable (as a runner, blocker and receiver). He's just not flashy, nor is he a home run threat---which is why, like Ballard, 6th rounder Alfred Morris (redskins' 1000 yard rookie rusher) and other non-flashy, non home run threat RBs, he will very likely be available at #100. Taylor is a winner---and he will get you that extra yard on short yardage situations.

Round 5: (#133): G David Quessenberry, 6-5, 292, San Jose St.

Played left tackle at San Jose St. and was regarded by many as the best pass blocker in the WAC. At the Senior Bowl he played guard and adapted to it very well. It would not surprise me that under Harold Goodwin's tutelage that Quessenberry would become the starting RG at some point next season.

Round 6: (#166): WR Denard Robinson, 5-11, 195, Michigan.

Tried to transition to WR at the Senior Bowl and despite an injured thumb, showed some flashes. With his speed, hands and open-field running ability, Bruce Arians could develop him in the way he developed T.Y. Hilton last year (WR hitches, screens, reverses, seam splitters). Plus, he gives you an exciting option as a red zone or situational read option QB---and what is sometimes overlooked, he could be the scout team QB for Russell Wilson as the Cardinals prepare for the Seahawks.

Round 6: (#167): S Duke Williams, 6-0, 185, Nevada.

Williams may not be as big as scouts prefer (which is why he will still be available in the 6th round)---but don't let that fool you. He forces the run from the SS position like a linebacker, and he has the quicks to dog receivers in the short and intermediate zones. These good Nevada defenders---they know how to step up and make plays. Very impressive.

Round 6: (#179): ILB A.J. Klein, 6-1, 240, Iowa St.

What's to like about Klein is that not only is a very good run stuffer, he's nifty in coverage. I believe he had 4 pick sixes to his credit at Iowa St.

Recap:

The Cardinals get a dynamic athletic speed rusher, the strongest-armed QB in the draft, a starting RCB, a solid rotation RB, a possible first year starter at RG, a slot WR threat/great athlete, good depth and potential at SS and ILB.

That's pretty much what the 49ers got two years ago.:newcards:

One of the things that makes Kepernick so special is his running ability. Bray does not have that, I do not think. When you defend Kepernick you need an extra player to stop him from running. We signed his old HC here in Arkansas this year. Strange move as he had been to three straight Rose Bowls and Arkansas was not very good last year. We do pay well. I am thinking we paid him around 3.5 mil a year and he can earn a lot more with TV & radio shows, endorsements, etc.
 

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Draft another CB in the 3rd....seriously, we could resign Toler and between him Gay and Fleming someone should be good. Following your strategy Bray is a deadman because we still haven't addressed Tackle, this is a OL loaded draft and the 3rd round the value there will still be very good. Of our first 4 picks 2 should be OL, we also need to address OLB.
 
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