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Draft Dish: Welcome to the Combine
Feb. 22, 2006 Print it


By War Room scouts
For Sporting News


The annual NFL Scouting Combine got under way in Indianapolis on Wednesday, and from the moment the players began to arrive at the hotel, there were required activities to which to attend. Arrival day begins with a series of X-rays and Cybex testing (extremities/muscles), followed by a brief orientation and meetings with position coaches. Individual team meetings also get going on the evening of Day 1.

Day 2 brings the medical exam, urinalysis and blood tests, a medical history interview, the administration of the Wonderlic test, taped video interviews and the bench press. Day Three is dedicated to psychological testing, and finally on Day Four, come the workouts, which consist of the 10-, 20-, and 40-yard dashes, vertical jump, broad jump, 20- and 60-yard shuttles, the three-cone drill and position drills.

In order to accommodate all 330 invitees, the National Scouting Group staggers the start of the event for various position groups. On Wednesday, the running backs, offensive linemen, kickers and long snappers reported. Thursday will bring more running backs in addition to the quarterbacks and wide receivers. On Friday, the tight ends and defensive linemen arrive, and Saturday is opening day for linebackers and defensive backs.

The big question at the Combine is who will work out for scouts and who will not. Every year, some of the top prospects forego the running and strength tests. This certainly doesn't endear them to the scouts and NFL staffers, and in most cases seems like an ill-fated decision.

Most players don't understand that the Combine can usually only help and rarely, if ever, hurt a prospect. But what can happen is that a player who runs and runs well can raise his stock and pass higher-ranked players on the board along the way.

Take this year's draft class. USC quarterback Matt Leinart, USC running back Reggie Bush, and Virginia offensive tackles D'Brickashaw Ferguson, short of a major injury, won't all suddenly fall from the top of the draft. Their top-three positions are fairly secure. However, most scouts agree that the value between the fifth overall pick and No. 25 is very similar in the eyes of NFL teams this year. What that means is that there is a large second-tier group, many of whom can slot in anywhere between fifth and 35th. The difference for the players is that if they drop even four or five spots in that range they could potentially cost themselves millions of dollars.

So the question remains, why are there players still skipping the Combine workouts every year? After the regular season and bowl games, there are few opportunities to showcase their skills for scouts. For the seniors, there are the all-star games (some players have the opportunity to play in two but most play in just one), the Combine and campus pro day workouts. For the juniors, there are even fewer chances.

Why wouldn't a player take every opportunity to impress the scouts? Maybe the bigger question is, who is giving these players advice?

Texas quarterback Vince Young has already caused a stir by announcing that he will not work out in Indianapolis. He is planted firmly in that second tier group of 30 players, and has already started to slip down some draft boards. He could be in for more of a slide if he continues to disappoint the NFL community with bad decisions.

But Young probably won't be the only one. Look for workout updates and storylines later in the week.

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Haloti Ngata, the massive Oregon defensive tackle (6-4, 336), has spent most of the winter shooting up the board, but some teams have begun to question his status as a top-10 pick. His most important work in Indianapolis will come in the interviews. He is a bright young man, but does not always come across as a guy with a mean streak. There have been a number of high first-round picks at his position who didn't have that "killer instinct," and Haloti needs to convince people he has it.

Texas safety Michael Huff (6-0, 198) is the opposite of his teammate Young. Huff intends to do everything asked of him at the Combine because he wants to show the NFL how much he likes to compete. Young plans on doing little and that simply frustrates NFL people.

War Room scouts analyze NFL and college players, coaches and teams for the Sporting News.
 

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I can't believe Young would slide down the boards based on the fact that he is not working out at the combine. Alot of the top prospects haven't thrown at the combine. And Leinart isn't working out either this year.

I would also disagree with this writers view that there is similar value from #5 to #25. There is a big difference between Mario Williams and Marcus McNeil.
 

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Redsz said:
I can't believe Young would slide down the boards based on the fact that he is not working out at the combine. Alot of the top prospects haven't thrown at the combine. And Leinart isn't working out either this year.

I would also disagree with this writers view that there is similar value from #5 to #25. There is a big difference between Mario Williams and Marcus McNeil.

I think Young would do himself well to participate in the combines as there are so many questions about him. I still can him sliding out of the top ten. He will be no instant help to anyone and will probably be two years learning the NFL system. He has been as much a runner as a passer and played out of the gun. If he skids past #10 I would not be surprised where he ends up.
 

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Redsz said:
I can't believe Young would slide down the boards based on the fact that he is not working out at the combine. Alot of the top prospects haven't thrown at the combine. And Leinart isn't working out either this year.

I would also disagree with this writers view that there is similar value from #5 to #25. There is a big difference between Mario Williams and Marcus McNeil.

I would think Leinhart will be a starter next year or late this year. He will be the 1st QB taken and has played in a pro set and is a classic pocket QB which will work nicely in the NFL. He is everything Vince Young is not at this point and has nothing to gain by working out. Two years down the road perhaps Young will be all he is hyped up to be then maybe not. For the Cards I would not take him at #10.
 

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Redsz said:
I can't believe Young would slide down the boards based on the fact that he is not working out at the combine. Alot of the top prospects haven't thrown at the combine. And Leinart isn't working out either this year.

I would also disagree with this writers view that there is similar value from #5 to #25. There is a big difference between Mario Williams and Marcus McNeil.

If Young is there at 10 I sprint his name upto the podium. Then I let him take lots of reps at QB, but also lots of reps at WR. I think him playing 4th or 5th wideout for awhile would help him immensely learning to play NFL QB, reading defenses, etc.
 

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HookemCards said:
If Young is there at 10 I sprint his name upto the podium. Then I let him take lots of reps at QB, but also lots of reps at WR. I think him playing 4th or 5th wideout for awhile would help him immensely learning to play NFL QB, reading defenses, etc.


At number three he is a "boom or bust" pick.

At number ten you're stupid not to pick him.
 

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HookemCards said:
If Young is there at 10 I sprint his name upto the podium. Then I let him take lots of reps at QB, but also lots of reps at WR. I think him playing 4th or 5th wideout for awhile would help him immensely learning to play NFL QB, reading defenses, etc.

I seriously doubt he lasts until 10 - but if so :thumbup:
 

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john h said:
I would think Leinhart will be a starter next year or late this year. He will be the 1st QB taken and has played in a pro set and is a classic pocket QB which will work nicely in the NFL. He is everything Vince Young is not at this point and has nothing to gain by working out. Two years down the road perhaps Young will be all he is hyped up to be then maybe not. For the Cards I would not take him at #10.

I'm with you on this one John. Watching Young there is no doubt that he has talent , but you got to remember he's running around college talent. It also looks like he runs a little upright to me. The speed of NFL defenses will negate some of his athletic ability.
Also, how is he going to react when Adrian Wilson or Roy Williams gets a clean shot on him?
All that being said, I don't think the Cards would pass on him if he were still there at #10. They might not pass on Cutler if he were to be there either. Much of our decisions will be based on what we do in Free Agency.
 

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slanidrac16 said:
I'm with you on this one John. Watching Young there is no doubt that he has talent , but you got to remember he's running around college talent. It also looks like he runs a little upright to me. The speed of NFL defenses will negate some of his athletic ability.
Also, how is he going to react when Adrian Wilson or Roy Williams gets a clean shot on him? All that being said, I don't think the Cards would pass on him if he were still there at #10. They might not pass on Cutler if he were to be there either. Much of our decisions will be based on what we do in Free Agency.

Since Vince, unlike most of the NFL's mobile QB's, is bigger than either of them it will be interesting to see.

McGinnis would have wanted to play Young at Linebacker.
 
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