Warner gets a bad rap because he is a kind and generous human being...

[LittleDavis]

Man, these little leach reporters will go to any extent to stir up news. Kurt Warner has done more for other people than I ever will. I give him a complete pass in these negotiations. Teams have low balled him and written him off for his entire career.

What has he done?

Humbly went about his business rarely getting upset or being petty. Oh Yeah, and he has WON. I don't care what the sensation driven culture is doing. My respect goes to Kurt.

 

[Stout]

Man, these little leach reporters will go to any extent to stir up news. Kurt Warner has done more for other people than I ever will. I give him a complete pass in these negotiations. Teams have low balled him and written him off for his entire career.

What has he done?

Humbly went about his business rarely getting upset or being petty. Oh Yeah, and he has WON. I don't care what the sensation driven culture is doing. My respect goes to Kurt.

I've said it before. KW professes to be all holy and godly, and then exudes two of the seven deadly sins: Pride and Greed. The whole hurt feelings, they aren't respecting me, I shouldn't be treated this way schtick: Pride. The Greed? Normally he'd get a pass, because players would be stupid not to try to get the money. Still, we've heard that he wants money for past performance, he's run off to a rival to try to drive his price up (while his agent lies and says he wouldn't do that), and now he and his agent have lied about getting an offer of more money from 'Frisco.

You can give to charity all you want, and talk about God all you want. When you act like he and his representation are acting, it exposes you as a fraud.

 

[Mulli]

I've said it before. KW professes to be all holy and godly, and then exudes two of the seven deadly sins: Pride and Greed. The whole hurt feelings, they aren't respecting me, I shouldn't be treated this way schtick: Pride. The Greed? Normally he'd get a pass, because players would be stupid not to try to get the money. Still, we've heard that he wants money for past performance, he's run off to a rival to try to drive his price up (while his agent lies and says he wouldn't do that), and now he and his agent have lied about getting an offer of more money from 'Frisco.

You can give to charity all you want, and talk about God all you want. When you act like he and his representation are acting, it exposes you as a fraud.

Or he might just me negotiating like many others in the big leagues negotiate.

 

[Reddog]

I've said it before. KW professes to be all holy and godly, and then exudes two of the seven deadly sins: Pride and Greed. The whole hurt feelings, they aren't respecting me, I shouldn't be treated this way schtick: Pride. The Greed? Normally he'd get a pass, because players would be stupid not to try to get the money. Still, we've heard that he wants money for past performance, he's run off to a rival to try to drive his price up (while his agent lies and says he wouldn't do that), and now he and his agent have lied about getting an offer of more money from 'Frisco.

You can give to charity all you want, and talk about God all you want. When you act like he and his representation are acting, it exposes you as a fraud.

Don't be a hater. He is doing nothing wrong. He is doing his job and for the most part following the lead of his agent. When he doesn't he hurts his position. Regardless of how we feel about the terms or the money that is no reflection on him, his faith or his generosity.

 

[Shogun]

You act like Kurt Warner wasn't terrible at one point in his career, causing him to be low-balled and written off as you call it. When you struggle, you don't get top money in FA. Period.

Enough with the Warner threads, please.

 

[Mulli]

You act like Kurt Warner wasn't terrible at one point in his career, causing him to be low-balled and written off as you call it. When you struggle, you don't get top money in FA. Period.

Enough with the Warner threads, please.

You might start a thread on that.

 

[LittleDavis]

You act like Kurt Warner wasn't terrible at one point in his career, causing him to be low-balled and written off as you call it. When you struggle, you don't get top money in FA. Period.

Enough with the Warner threads, please.(DON'T READ THEM)

Terrible...What??? C'mon...I am not a fan of exaggeration. Even with his accolades his generosity is preyed upon as weakness. Thus, he and his story are sensationalized(for good or Ill). All I am saying is that I seek the truth.

-Warner is a kind and generous human being.
-In this culture the aforementioned is seen as weakness rather than commonality.
-I don't think he gets accurate credit(as an NFL QB) because of his desire and commitment to help others.
-He wins
-He was the QB that took us to the Superbowl
-He deserves to get what he can in negotiations
-He is no Jesus...so take him down from the cross and let him be human

 

[LACardsJoe]

You might start a thread on that.

Tell me about it!

 

[D-Dogg]

You might start a thread on that.

It would make a good poll.

 

[LACardsJoe]

Terrible...What??? C'mon...I am not a fan of exaggeration. Even with his accolades his generosity is preyed upon as weakness. Thus, he and his story are sensationalized(for good or Ill). All I am saying is that I seek the truth.

-Warner is a kind and generous human being.
-In this culture the aforementioned is seen as weakness rather than commonality.
-I don't think he gets accurate credit(as an NFL QB) because of his desire and commitment to help others.
-He wins
-He was the QB that took us to the Superbowl
-He deserves to get what he can in negotiations
-He is no Jesus...so take him down from the cross and let him be human

Your last quote is on point. Yes, Warner should have refrained from telling the media basically it wasn't about money. Yes, Warner should have not committed to AZ so suddenly after the SB. Yes, Warner is looking a little like a deer caught in the headlights - he had no clue this was coming. But give the man a break. He is human, he, like the rest of us, got caught up in the emotion after the SB. I think when he collected his senses (i.e., his agent and Brenda had a nice little sit down chat), he realized that since this was his final contract, he better get paid. He realized that top QB's elsewhere are making a significant amount more than him...him, the guy that just helped lead a perennial cellar-dwellar the AZ Cards to the SB. He is human, give him a break. He made a few mistakes, but deserves to be paid according to what he feels his fair. If AZ can't give it, then he must test the waters elsewhere. He needs to remember that he won't have the complement of weapons he has here. How many millions is that worth to you Kurt?

 

[CardLogic]

-He is no Jesus...so take him down from the cross and let him be human

This is the smartest comment I have read on this forum in some time.

It applies not only to his critics but also to his fans.

 

[Shogun]

First of all, Kurt Warner is already one considered of the better QBs of the modern era, so I don't understand where this talk of not getting credit. The one thing that hinders his HOF talk is the number of and consistency of great years. His character has zero bearing on that.

Secondly, are you forgetting 2002-2004 where he sucked in St. Louis and New York, and while improved in Arizona only regained form in 2007? You said he was written off entire career when it wasn't the case. It was because wasn't playing starter quality football. Period.

I don't think people should be laying to Kurt so heavily, but he has brought it upon himself whether it's warranted or not.

 

[LittleDavis]

First of all, Kurt Warner is already one considered of the better QBs of the modern era, so I don't understand where this talk of not getting credit. The one thing that hinders his HOF talk is the number of and consistency of great years. His character has zero bearing on that.

Secondly, are you forgetting 2002-2004 where he sucked in St. Louis and New York, and while improved in Arizona only regained form in 2007? You said he was written off entire career when it wasn't the case. It was because wasn't playing starter quality football. Period.

I don't think people should be laying to Kurt so heavily, but he has brought it upon himself whether it's warranted or not.

2004 NewYorkGiants 10 277 174 62.8 7.7 2,054 7.4 205.4 6 2.2 4 1.4 62T 24 6 39 196 86.5...He did not suck while in NY.

-injuries in 2002 and 2003
-I never mentioned HOF... I think he is borderline

The problem is that he is held to an extremely high standard. I am talking about the attacks on his character because of his FA negotiations. This guy leads by example...forget it Shogun...we are on very different logical paths.

 

[Russ Smith]

He's getting a bad rep because he purports publicly to be one thing, while conducting himself in a manner contrary to that.

Case in point, today the 49ers are denying they ever made Warner a "formal contract offer", while ESPN is reporting SF offered substantially more than the Cards but Warner then said he wants to stay in Arizona and will take less to keep Boldin.

So Kurt and his agent leak to ESPN a big offer from SF but make themselves look like nice guys willing to give Arizona a discount.

But SF denies ever making an offer and local media reports indicate the 49ers are not happy with warner and his agent because ,surprise, they feel he used them that he intended to stay in Arizona all along and just used SF to get a bigger offer from the Cards and so he could claim he's giving a discount.

Who knows what the truth is but that's why Kurt is getting bad mouthed, if he did was SF says, he deserves to be bashed.

 

[joeshmo]

I've said it before. KW professes to be all holy and godly, and then exudes two of the seven deadly sins: Pride and Greed. The whole hurt feelings, they aren't respecting me, I shouldn't be treated this way schtick: Pride. The Greed? Normally he'd get a pass, because players would be stupid not to try to get the money. Still, we've heard that he wants money for past performance, he's run off to a rival to try to drive his price up (while his agent lies and says he wouldn't do that), and now he and his agent have lied about getting an offer of more money from 'Frisco.

You can give to charity all you want, and talk about God all you want. When you act like he and his representation are acting, it exposes you as a fraud.

So to sum up your point. He is Human.

 

[Shogun]

forget it Shogun...we are on very different logical paths.

What is that supposed to mean? You said that Kurt was written off his entire career - I disagreed.

I respect Warner and all his philanthropic endeavors, but a spade is a spade - he has set himself for criticism (like it or not) over how the negotiations have been handled and I don't believe that he should be given a pass just because he leads by example and you think he's the bee's knees.

This Warnerphile/hater War is getting stale and I hope that this gets done as soon as possible.

And watching Warner in New York, he did struggle and was clearly not the same QB that he was in St. Louis. If he did not struggle, why was he benched for Eli?

 

[LittleDavis]

He's getting a bad rep because he purports publicly to be one thing, while conducting himself in a manner contrary to that.

Case in point, today the 49ers are denying they ever made Warner a "formal contract offer", while ESPN is reporting SF offered substantially more than the Cards but Warner then said he wants to stay in Arizona and will take less to keep Boldin.

So Kurt and his agent leak to ESPN a big offer from SF but make themselves look like nice guys willing to give Arizona a discount.

But SF denies ever making an offer and local media reports indicate the 49ers are not happy with warner and his agent because ,surprise, they feel he used them that he intended to stay in Arizona all along and just used SF to get a bigger offer from the Cards and so he could claim he's giving a discount.

Who knows what the truth is but that's why Kurt is getting bad mouthed, if he did was SF says, he deserves to be bashed.

Thanks for proving my point. This WHOLE statement is conjecture.

 

[Mainstreet]

Thanks for proving my point. This WHOLE statement is conjecture.

I think it all comes down to the parameters of a verbal agreement offered by SF (that was never put to paper) because KW made it clear he wanted to see if the Cardinals would be willing to offer an acceptable compromise. I think everyone knew including SF that KW's first choice was to stay in Arizona. He wasn't going to sign anything with SF that would remove his right of choice.

 

[LittleDavis]

What is that supposed to mean? You said that Kurt was written off his entire career - I disagreed.

I respect Warner and all his philanthropic endeavors, but a spade is a spade - he has set himself for criticism (like it or not) over how the negotiations have been handled and I don't believe that he should be given a pass just because he leads by example and you think he's the bee's knees.

This Warnerphile/hater War is getting stale and I hope that this gets done as soon as possible.

And watching Warner in New York, he did struggle and was clearly not the same QB that he was in St. Louis. If he did not struggle, why was he benched for Eli?

Shogun...My main problem is with the personal attacks he is receiving. He is a very good NFL QB and if he had a personality like Brady or Manning he would be viewed quite differently.

As far as bee's knee's...I actually posted a thread that I am ready for Leinart.

Yeah, I only watched one game with Warner in NY and that was his last start against us. He was 5-4 and that offense sucked. Manning went 1-6 the rest of the way. Anyway, he was benched because NY has no patience and they had made a blockbuster trade for Manning

 

[Stout]

So to sum up your point. He is Human.

Exactly. He likes to pretend that he's better than everyone else, more principled, more religious and holy, but in reality he's just like us. Drop the front, Kurt, say that you just wanted to get paid. Forget the thought that it's about respect, that you're shocked it wasn't easy, because you're getting respect and you're not making it easy. Just admit that you wanted as much money as you could get and that you used the whiners as leverage. It's the truth, the world knows it, and the idea that you're operating 'on another moral plane' (his agent's words) is ********. You're just like us, so stop acting like you're better.

All right, I'm done with this. I'm going to wait it out. Warner's antics got under my skin and I don't want to keep ranting.

 

[Russ Smith]

Thanks for proving my point. This WHOLE statement is conjecture.

Both statements are conjecture. It's conjecture that the 49ers offered a higher contract deal and it's conjecture that they didn't.

The difference is I believe the 49er beat writers more than I believe John Clayton because I believe the beat writers have better sources than Clayton.

Ask yourself the question, does it make logical sense for Kurt to visit SF and get a higher offer and then still announce publicly he wants to stay with Arizona? Why complain about appreciation and say he wanted to set his market value if he intended to take less money all along?

Kurt is taking less money because he found out the market isn't what he wants, SF didn't make him theoffer he expected. So now they're spinning it by claiming they got an offer.

That's my opinion of what happened, it's what the bay area media is reporting, and given that McCloughan went from saying "he's such a class guy" when Kurt was there, to refusing to comment after Kurt left, I would suspect McCloughan thinks that's what happened too.

 

[joeshmo]

He likes to pretend that he's better than everyone else, more principled, more religious and holy.

He does? The guy has never pretended to be infalible, yet when he shows he is falible people get upset.

 

[Mulli]

If you include people talking about the lack of faith and/or religious beliefs, Warner actually brings up the topic far less that a lot of people I know.

 

[jefftheshark]

He does? The guy has never pretended to be infalible, yet when he shows he is falible people get upset.

He does, and here's the proof!

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Although I must admit that this could have been photo-shopped, since it's unusual to see Warner blocking downfield for anyone.

JTS

 

[LittleDavis]

Ask yourself the question, does it make logical sense for Kurt to visit SF and get a higher offer and then still announce publicly he wants to stay with Arizona? Why complain about appreciation and say he wanted to set his market value if he intended to take less money all along?

Yes, it is logical. He never strayed from his claim of wanting to stay in AZ. The Cards first offer(if true) was fair from their standpoint but not necessarily a good contract for him. He was pursued by the 9ers and took the visit. He may have informed them that he was still desiring a contract from AZ. but would entertain their request for a visit. The 9ers went all out and I don't think Warner is at fault for that. I have recruited many potential employees and taken them to dinner and they still preferred to stay with their present company. No problem, I pursued and they listened. It is business. That is how it is done.

Now, this is mostly conjecture but we will know most of the facts at some point. I just think personally that it is in bad taste to stir up the witch trial before we have accurate information.