Was a great trade

[devilalum]

Look at Joe Johnson's line from last night.

Joe Johnson G 43 10-21 2-2 0-2 2 9 7 1 2 0 2 22

22 points, 9 boards, 7 assists.

When you consider what the Suns gave up to get this guy it has to be considered a great trade. The guy is really young and still doesn't show up every night but he is getting steadily better and better. And when you take his size into consideration and his defense the biggest problem the Suns may in the near future is figuring out how to keep him and their other 3 stars without exceeding the cap.

 

[SweetD]

That is why I wish they would start Penny this year. Let JJ get minutes coming off the bench and wait till we resign him then make him the starter.

 

[Chaz]

I think JJ's defense has been his strong point so far this year.

It is the only thing that has earned him minutes so far, well that and potential.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Originally posted by SweetD
That is why I wish they would start Penny this year. Let JJ get minutes coming off the bench and wait till we resign him then make him the starter.

That's not Colangelo's style. He doesn't keep a player down, just to get an opportunity to sign him cheap.

JC's pattern is to reward players that play well (maybe more than he should). He does sign players cheap, when they really want to play for him and when he doesn't have any other options.

He would be a great guy to work for, I would think.

 

[hcsilla]

BOS traded Walker, Johnson, #21 for LaFrentz, Welsch and DAL's pick.

Good trade?

 

[SweetD]

Originally posted by hcsilla
BOS traded Walker, Johnson, #21 for LaFrentz, Welsch and DAL's pick.

Good trade?

I thought they traded Delk

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by SweetD
I thought they traded Delk

I thought that they did. Once for him and once they traded him away.

 

[elindholm]

BOS traded Walker, Johnson, #21 for LaFrentz, Welsch and DAL's pick.

Boston has not fared well in that pair of deals. But don't forget that they also got to rent Rodney Rogers for a few months. He did help them down the stretch and during their playoff run, so that is worth something. Boston probably would not have made as good a playoff showing without him.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by elindholm
BOS traded Walker, Johnson, #21 for LaFrentz, Welsch and DAL's pick.

Boston has not fared well in that pair of deals. But don't forget that they also got to rent Rodney Rogers for a few months. He did help them down the stretch and during their playoff run, so that is worth something. Boston probably would not have made as good a playoff showing without him.

That's right, I didn't forget Rogers, I just thought about what they did in long-term perspective.

 

[SweetD]

Originally posted by elindholm
BOS traded Walker, Johnson, #21 for LaFrentz, Welsch and DAL's pick.

Boston has not fared well in that pair of deals. But don't forget that they also got to rent Rodney Rogers for a few months. He did help them down the stretch and during their playoff run, so that is worth something. Boston probably would not have made as good a playoff showing without him.

I agree Rodney was a big part of that team making the playoffs.

 

[elindholm]

I just thought about what they did in long-term perspective.

I didn't think you forgot him.

It's more common in baseball. Often a baseball team will trade away young talent in exchange for one or two players who can help them with a playoff push. It's the balance between winning now and winning later, and all teams struggle with it. Basically I look at the Celtics-Suns trade that way: Boston wanted immediate help and was willing to give up a prospect.

The Celtics-Mavericks trade is harder to understand from Boston's perspective, but I guess they really wanted LaFrentz and/or to dump Walker on anyone who would take him.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by elindholm

I didn't think you forgot him.

It's more common in baseball. Often a baseball team will trade away young talent in exchange for one or two players who can help them with a playoff push. It's the balance between winning now and winning later, and all teams struggle with it. Basically I look at the Celtics-Suns trade that way: Boston wanted immediate help and was willing to give up a prospect.

Yes, I don't think that the original deal was that bad for BOS.

They traded a late 1st rounder for a fine benchplayer with good long-term contract (Delk) which was a good move.
They traded a late lottery pick for an even better benchplayer which is more questionable but more or less acceptable from a contender team.
This trade turned to be stupid for BOS when they didn't re-sign Rogers.

The Celtics-Mavericks trade is harder to understand from Boston's perspective, but I guess they really wanted LaFrentz and/or to dump Walker on anyone who would take him.

I know that almost everyone on this board hates Walker but it was simply a bad trade for the Celtics,IMO.
Walker is worth more than that package.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Walker almost fetched them much more in the offseason.

Wasn't he supposedly part of a package headed to Chicago before Williams got hurt?

 

[Yuma]

What's really interesting is that after trading away Joe Johnson, the Celtic announcers said even they wonder about the trade now because Boston is supposedly looking for a good two guard. I swear that's what they said during one of the games I watched last year.

 

[Matt L]

even though the celtics used rogers for a few months and did allright in the playoffs, the trade was still a flop. in the baseball playoffs there are only four teams out of each division that make it. there are teams that may have a chance to get to the playoffs one every couple of years or so. in the NBA it seems that every team makes the playoffs even the marginal teams. if rodney rogers only made that team marginal then it was not a good trade. that is just my opinion though.