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Amare's comment about the suspension: "With me not knowing the rule, it was liable to happen."

??? That's a new one!
 

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Someone please send out a press release and put a moratorium on the "That's Amare" headline.
 

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Amare's comment about the suspension: "With me not knowing the rule, it was liable to happen."

??? That's a new one!
It's not new. He's been saying it all summer.

He says missing the previous year made him forget about the rule.
 

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It's not new. He's been saying it all summer.

He says missing the previous year made him forget about the rule.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2007/news/story?id=2872357

5/16/07
Stoudemire abandoned his excuse that he was trying to check in to the game.
"I know you can't step on the court and at that time it was a natural reaction," he said. "I was more concerned about Steve's health, and I got penalized for it."

I absolutely do believe he ran out to see if Nash was okay and never blamed him for that -- totally understandable. But on 5/16 he said he knew the rule, so why change the story.
 

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2007/news/story?id=2872357

5/16/07
Stoudemire abandoned his excuse that he was trying to check in to the game.
"I know you can't step on the court and at that time it was a natural reaction," he said. "I was more concerned about Steve's health, and I got penalized for it."

I absolutely do believe he ran out to see if Nash was okay and never blamed him for that -- totally understandable. But on 5/16 he said he knew the rule, so why change the story.

My guess is misinterpretation. I think he ran out to see if Nash was OK, and forgot about the rule during that situation. It is possible that both reasons can be used, depending on the context and what the writer asks or decides to use.
 

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Never looked to me like he was going to check on Steve. IMO, he was headed towards Robert Horry.
 

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Never looked to me like he was going to check on Steve. IMO, he was headed towards Robert Horry.

Probably a little of both. If Steve had stayed down hurt, it's hard to say what would have happened. At that time I would have been happy to see someone rearrange Horry's teeth, regardless of the consequences. Actually it still sounds like a good idea -- unintentional, of course.
 

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My guess is that Amare is not clear what happened and what he was thinking. We get to look at in super low motion and it's hard to figure. As it is, we don't know if Amare thought there was a confrontation happening nor do we know if Amare was aware of just how strict the rule is?

In any case, Amare has learned a lesson at a terrible price. Depending on your point of view, the Spurs were either smart or dirty in having Horry deliberately try to prove a fight to get Suns players disqualified. Amare got suckered and he realizes it.
 

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Damn straight, teammates have each others back. I can recall many times where I threw fastballs at peoples backs, for my boys AND DENIED IT.
 
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A day or two after Game 4, Iavorini was on the radio and said that he had specifically gone to the players on the bench and told them to make sure they did not come off the bench if anything happened. Every player in the NBA knows that rule. If he wants to argue that it's a natural reaction when his warped, MVP point guard is body checked into the scorer's table then fine. Claiming he didn't understand the rule is BS.

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A day or two after Game 4, Iavorini was on the radio and said that he had specifically gone to the players on the bench and told them to make sure they did not come off the bench if anything happened. Every player in the NBA knows that rule. If he wants to argue that it's a natural reaction when his warped, MVP point guard is body checked into the scorer's table then fine. Claiming he didn't understand the rule is BS.

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Amare and Boris were both in the game when Iavaroni was warning the bench (IIRC). So, just because Iavaroni said it, doesn't mean Amare heard it. :shrug:
 

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My take on it was Amare knew you weren't supposed to leave the bench but didn't know it was an automatic suspension even if nothing escalated.
 

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In any case, Amare has learned a lesson at a terrible price. Depending on your point of view, the Spurs were either smart or dirty in having Horry deliberately try to prove a fight to get Suns players disqualified. Amare got suckered and he realizes it.


Irish you finally came around!! I said that the day it happened....People didn't want to hear it then.
 

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Irish you finally came around!! I said that the day it happened....People didn't want to hear it then.

I do not consider Bell jawing at Horry to have been a fight. It could have been, but IMHO it did not qualify as a fight and thus the fact that Amare moved out of the seat zone was similar to Duncan leaving the bench.

In any case, I have never doubted that the whole purpose of the Horry attack on Nash was to cause a fight and the Suns needed to understand that. Horry should have been disqualified for the rest of the playoffs.
 

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In any case, I have never doubted that the whole purpose of the Horry attack on Nash was to cause a fight and the Suns needed to understand that. Horry should have been disqualified for the rest of the playoffs.


The Suns got duped into it....no question.


Far as Horry should be "disqualified for the rest of the playoffs"....thats rediculous.....Horry just shoved him, that shouldnt be a playoff death penalty.
 

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The Suns got duped into it....no question.


Far as Horry should be "disqualified for the rest of the playoffs"....thats rediculous.....Horry just shoved him, that shouldnt be a playoff death penalty.

He didn't just "shove" Nash, and you know it. It was the end of a game that was already decided, it was a useless foul, a useless HARD foul that was malicious. The intent was there just like it was there all game long with Bowen.

I know you agree with the suspensions and think our players are stupid, but at least acknowledge some of the facts without trying to manipulate them to further strengthen your argument.
 

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He didn't just "shove" Nash, and you know it. It was the end of a game that was already decided, it was a useless foul, a useless HARD foul that was malicious. The intent was there just like it was there all game long with Bowen.

I know you agree with the suspensions and think our players are stupid, but at least acknowledge some of the facts without trying to manipulate them to further strengthen your argument.


Whether its a shove, body check, or whatever YOU know it doesnt warrant an entire playoff expulsion so I dont know what you're even jabbering about. Players got suspended....good enough. You nor the league can't judge whats in players minds or their "intent"...they can only go on the facts.
 

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