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This weekend, maybe even today, I’ll start posting general draft stuff. I think I’ve made it clear I don’t want the Cards to take a QB at 13, but if they do I prefer they take Watson. Like the others he’s no sure thing. He can, however, be a useful player, which is not a lock with the other options. I know the Cards did a modified Wildcat with Williams (who likely makes this year’s team), but there was little danger he would throw. Watson could take over that spot immediately and likely be effective. I think he’s 2 years removed from being a starter, but should be an adequate backup by 2018.

There is a great deal to like about Watson. He has good arm strength, but not at the Mahomes level. He is a true double threat QB, he can pass and he is a major threat as a runner with surprising power. However the thing I like best about him is his drive to win. There is no question he is far above all the other top QBs this year with his play in what’s termed close and late situations. He plays his best when the game is on the line and that’s a talent that is almost impossible to teach. Consider Russell Wilson. He’s made a career of being decent during the game, but virtually unstoppable close and late. The Cards will soon have to rebuild their O-line and Watson is the best of the group at avoiding the sack and improvising effectively. A running QB scares most coaches, but like Wilson, it’s hard to square up Watson to deliver a crushing blow. He has that rare body control that makes him hard to directly impact. Most of the hits he takes are glancing. There’s always a risk, like Wilson’s injury of this past year, but Watson has good durability, apparent quick recovery genes and the willingness to play and execute when not at 100%. His leadership skills are impressive as his team exhibits total belief he will do what is needed to win the game.

As a passer he stays calm in the pocket and despite his prodigious running skills he does not have happy feet. He has good throwing form and generates power through his hips. The latter being an advanced form skill, but does mean what you see is what you’ll get as far as power. He shows good touch and route anticipation and timing. He displays a solid over-the-top, fluid throwing motion. This is critical because he doesn’t have ideal height. He keeps his eyes downfield and knows to look off defenders.

Nonetheless there is work to be done. He hasn’t worked under center, but I think he’ll be fine in that respect. He tends to over-stride, which will cause the ball to sail. When he gets hurried, he can resort to flat-footed throws. He needs to work on his receiver progressions. Even when he looks off defenders (of course sometimes this doesn’t work) he still tries to complete the pass to his primary receiver. He relies too much on his receivers to make the play. It’s not clear to me how well he sees the field (my biggest concern). This vision issue and forcing the ball to the primary receiver often causes interceptions.

If the Cards are determined to take a QB with 13 pick, he’d be my guy. You could win big with this selection. That said if my guys are gone I’m trading down.
 

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I'm going to break a self-imposed rule: Never to base the evaluation of an individual player on generalized "rules" invoving offensive schemes, team's stat history etc.

Look up the Cardinal' history - going all the way back into the early 1950's involving high QB draft busts who went to Notre Dame. (It seemed as if Mr. B had a built-in Notre Dame bias that he was unable to resist).

So here we are in 2017, and one of the highly-rated QB's is Kizer. Played for the Fighting Irish.

I'm wiling to concede that I'm a victim of faulty logic, but let's put it this way: When it comes to drafting Notre Dame QB's the Cardinals are extremely "unlucky."

Like the shouts from the balcony at an urban theatre during the critical moments of a horror movie: "Don't do it!"
 
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Thanks Harry for your thoughts. I'm still hoping if they take a QB it's Mitch Trubisky. I know it will take a couple years for him to get good but I still think he has the most upside.
 

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He also throws the ball 48 mph. 7mph below NFL standards and 12 mph below gunslingin Mahomes's 60 mph bullets.
 

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Harry---your QB write-up have been spot-on, my friend! Great reads.

if you have the time, could you do ones for Webb, Peterman and Dobbs? I have a feeling that one of those three will be the Cardinals' choice. Just a hunch.
 
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Harry---your QB write-up have been spot-on, my friend! Great reads.

if you have the time, could you do ones for Webb, Peterman and Dobbs? I have a feeling that one of those three will be the Cardinals' choice. Just a hunch.
I'll I thought about Webb & Dobbs, I have notes. I'll try, but I owe some guys Evals on a few players. This does give me the chance to admit I had some excellent help with my reviews.

Peterman lacks the arm strength I suspect BA would want, though he'll go by round 3 I think. I wouldn't rule out Kizer if he lasted until round 2. He's certainly not the guy BA was thinking about who could start immediately.
 

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If Watson and Foster are both there at 13, what do you do?

I take Watson...
 

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To Rugby: How many qbs who can only throw 48 mph actually play in the nfl. If that was possible, Peyton Manning would still be playing.

To AZ Jam: 48 mph has meaning. It's a scouting flag.

To Tj: I don't know about his breaking ball, but Mahomes fast ball is over 90 mph.
 

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Watson's deep passes suck ass... it seems every pass deep the receiver has to contort his body to adjust to the throw, maybe the speed of JJ and Smokey makes up for his overthrows
 
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Ball speed is one of those stats that's shown little correlation to completions, even deep throws. A little trivia, Logan Thomas was the first QB to throw 60. Despite this number I don't see an issue when watching Watson in actual games. His timing plus arm strength seems effective. What are you guys watching or where are you seeing his arm strength is inadequate? My note on arm power was intended to mean he's not going to throw a 70 yard Hail Mary, but in real game action he can make all the throws.
 

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Watson seems the most ready to come in and play. He also feels like his ceiling is the lowest. I am pretty confident that he can be Tyrod Taylor or Alex Smith, and I have no issue if the Cards are ok with that. However, I am not confident that he can develop into a difference maker at QB like Russell Wilson.
 
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BTW, Glennon throws 49 and several clubs tried to sign him.
 

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By chance, do we know what Warner's and Brady's velocity was in their prime? Guessing it isn't close to 60. Timing is far more important IMHO!
 

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Peyton Manning had the strongest arm ever! But not really. Timing, accuracy, and ability to read a defense is infinitely more valuable than how strong someone's arm is. Jamarcus Russell could throw 60 yards on his knees...that should've given him a HOF bust...right?
 
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Here's what Warner said on the subject, "When it comes to velocity and such, I think it's all a relative term, anyway. When I played, I didn't have the strongest arm, and in a game I never threw it as hard as I could, either." What separated Warner was his ability to select the optimum throw in a given situation. Sometimes this meant throwing into coverage if he liked the matchup. When he played they didn't track this stat. I heard him estimated at 50, but I think his typical throw was less. Brees was only 52 earlier in his career, he's likely lower now. Brady has been clocked at 61.
 

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I think the bottom line is, if you can read defenses, throw with accuracy, pick the correct match up, and possibly anticipate well then this stat is less relevant.
 

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Watson seems the most ready to come in and play. He also feels like his ceiling is the lowest. I am pretty confident that he can be Tyrod Taylor or Alex Smith, and I have no issue if the Cards are ok with that. However, I am not confident that he can develop into a difference maker at QB like Russell Wilson.

Watson in Arians offense compared to what he ran while at Clemson is one of the least likely to come in and start in my opinion
 
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