Way-too-early Monti Ossenfort Performance Review

[Chopper0080]

It's not irrefutable evidence, but I doubt the Cardinals draft PJ at #6, the player Murray lobbied for (I believe) unless MO was all on K1.

Cardinals draftee Paris Johnson Jr. felt wanted by Kyler Murray

Arizona Cardinals draft pick Paris Johnson Jr. said he met quarterback Kyler Murray during his top 30 visit with the team.

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I don't believe Kyler lobbying for Paris Johnson had that much of an impact. I would argue that Monti would be an idiot for weighing Kyler's opinion so heavily.

In terms of drafting a QB, it comes down to how you view Drake Maye and Caleb Williams. If you believe they are both special talents at QB, you draft them because they give you the biggest advantage in football. They wouldn't trade up for one of them, but if the Cardinals are sitting at 1, and they buy the hype of these two, they won't pass that up. If Kyler plays really well, they probably won't be in that position.

 

[Chopper0080]

People misunderstand that the trick isn't getting rid of all your players. It's replacing them with better ones. "Let's draft two Hall of Famers" every year isn't a plan.

I am not interested in trying to replicate the Patriots. I don't believe it is possible. The Chiefs, maybe.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I am not interested in trying to replicate the Patriots. I don't believe it is possible. The Chiefs, maybe.

I'm just pointing out what it appears is happening.

Belichick inherited an aging team that was over the cap. That first year with the patriots was brutal as he got rid of the aging vets and cut the roster down to the bone. The 2000 Patriots were a god awful team with very little talent on it. It was a painful year for the team and the fans. However that first year was all about culture change. Making sure that everyone was all in and if you weren't you were out. He eliminated all entitlement.

That's what the Cardinals are doing this year. It's all about culture change. That's why they were willing to just let DHop go for nothing. They knew that having a "Me-First" type of guy around would kill any chance that they had at changing the culture. Next they singled out the players who embody the culture that they are trying to build. That is why I believe that Baker will ultimately get a new contract here shortly. He is everything that you want to build your culture around. 2023 will be a hard year for the Cardinals and Fans but it part of the process of fixing this team.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I don't believe Kyler lobbying for Paris Johnson had that much of an impact. I would argue that Monti would be an idiot for weighing Kyler's opinion so heavily.

In terms of drafting a QB, it comes down to how you view Drake Maye and Caleb Williams. If you believe they are both special talents at QB, you draft them because they give you the biggest advantage in football. They wouldn't trade up for one of them, but if the Cardinals are sitting at 1, and they buy the hype of these two, they won't pass that up. If Kyler plays really well, they probably won't be in that position.

It's a huge risk hitting the reset on the QB position because if you select one of those guys, and they go Zach Wilson on you, your franchise is doomed for the foreseeable future.

It's a moot point though. Murray's going to play great once he's back from the knee.

 

[Stout]

I am not interested in trying to replicate the Patriots. I don't believe it is possible. The Chiefs, maybe.

Right. There's only one reason the Patriot Way worked, and we all know who he is.

 

[cardncubfan]

Right. There's only one reason the Patriot Way worked, and we all know who he is.

Who?

 

[Stout]

Who?

Giselle haha

 

[Krangodnzr]

It's not irrefutable evidence, but I doubt the Cardinals draft PJ at #6, the player Murray lobbied for (I believe) unless MO was all on K1.

Cardinals draftee Paris Johnson Jr. felt wanted by Kyler Murray

Arizona Cardinals draft pick Paris Johnson Jr. said he met quarterback Kyler Murray during his top 30 visit with the team.

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Monti looked legit shocked that Murray wanted PJJ.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

People misunderstand that the trick isn't getting rid of all your players. It's replacing them with better ones. "Let's draft two Hall of Famers" every year isn't a plan.

Lol. Right. The cutting players or letting them walk is the easy part. As I’ve said before ANYONE can do that.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Lol. Right. The cutting players or letting them walk is the easy part. As I’ve said before ANYONE can do that.

Krang suggested that we don't know what Monti's plan is.

I responded and gave some strong evidence as to what I believe Monti's plan is. I'm not saying Monti's plan is right or wrong. I just laid out the evidence of what I think Monti wants to achieve in year one based off of Monti's connection to Belichick and what Belichick did in his first year at NE.

If you can't see the 2023 season as a full reset for the Cardinals I don't know what to say. To me it's clear as day that Monti is using this season to reset the culture and identify which players buy into that culture. To me the fact that they were willing to release DHop for nothing is a clear indication that Monti is serious about setting up a culture where everyone is accountable and no one player gets special treatment.

 

[kerouac9]

Krang suggested that we don't know what Monti's plan is.

I responded and gave some strong evidence as to what I believe Monti's plan is. I'm not saying Monti's plan is right or wrong. I just laid out the evidence of what I think Monti wants to achieve in year one based off of Monti's connection to Belichick and what Belichick did in his first year at NE.

If you can't see the 2023 season as a full reset for the Cardinals I don't know what to say. To me it's clear as day that Monti is using this season to reset the culture and identify which players buy into that culture. To me the fact that they were willing to release DHop for nothing is a clear indication that Monti is serious about setting up a culture where everyone is accountable and no one player gets special treatment.

Monti Ossenfort was 22 years old and starting his MBA studies at Ohio University in that season. Jonathan Gannon was a junior at St. Ignatius High School. Neither of them know anything about the process behind the New England Patriots 2000 season that isn't deeply colored by a decade-plus of almost uninterrupted success.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Monti Ossenfort was 22 years old and starting his MBA studies at Ohio University in that season. Jonathan Gannon was a junior at St. Ignatius High School. Neither of them know anything about the process behind the New England Patriots 2000 season that isn't deeply colored by a decade-plus of almost uninterrupted success.

Monti was hired by Belichick in 2003 and spent 11 years with him while he worked for the Patriots. I'm pretty sure Monti knows the process of the Patriots.

 

[kerouac9]

Monti was hired by Belichick in 2003 and spent 11 years with him while he worked for the Patriots. I'm pretty sure Monti knows the process of the Patriots.

Unless you know something I don't, Monti Ossenfort joined the Patriots in 2006 as an Area Scout. Unless you think that Bill Belichick was spending a lot of time with guys who spend 7-9 months on the road, or that the process was unchanged or unevolved after five years at the top of the league instead of building from a reset, you should have some doubts.

Again, the league is littered with the gravestones of failed execs who thought they knew the Process of the Patriots.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Unless you know something I don't, Monti Ossenfort joined the Patriots in 2006 as an Area Scout. Unless you think that Bill Belichick was spending a lot of time with guys who spend 7-9 months on the road, or that the process was unchanged or unevolved after five years at the top of the league instead of building from a reset, you should have some doubts.

Again, the league is littered with the gravestones of failed execs who thought they knew the Process of the Patriots.

Monti was hired by the Patriots twice.

The first time he was hired by the Patriots was in 2003 as a personnel assistant to Bill Belichick.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Again, the league is littered with the gravestones of failed execs who thought they knew the Process of the Patriots.

Again I'm not saying that following the Belichick model will work. I'm saying that it appears Monti is following the Belichick model.

 

[MadCardDisease]

And if you still don't believe that Monti is following the Belichick model....

It only took 2 months before Monti got busted for Cheating!!!

 

[Stout]

Again I'm not saying that following the Belichick model will work. I'm saying that it appears Monti is following the Belichick model.

The only way such emulation works is with peak years Tom Brady, so...

 

[BulldogCard]

I feel this year could be an unusual one in many ways. Maybe several key vets run with it and inspire the youth behind a rookie quarterback. The key being the trenches; so the many good players on this roster can run around and make plays.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I feel this year could be an unusual one in many ways. Maybe several key vets run with it and inspire the youth behind a rookie quarterback. The key being the trenches; so the many good players on this roster can run around and make plays.

That's what's kind of interesting to me. With the leadership change at HC and GM I think there's a completely different energy with the team this year.

Gannon in particular gives off a different vibe than K2. Kingsburry was always just kind of like "there". Like he was mildly surprised that he was the person in charge of the practice or the press conference, or the game.

Gannon acts like his minimum expectation is to be in charge of the show, and he really needs it to be great.

 

[TheCardFan]

I don't think we are giving Monti enough credit for how he set-up this team for 2024 NFL draft.

We could have 6 picks in the top 70-80. That is stupid good.

1st round - 2
2nd round - 1
Third round - 3

11 picks total.

That is how you rebuild a team.

 

[schutd]

I don't think we are giving Monti enough credit for how he set-up this team for 2024 NFL draft.

We could have 6 picks in the top 70-80. That is stupid good.

1st round - 2
2nd round - 1
Third round - 3

11 picks total.

That is how you rebuild a team.

Thats how you set up the rebuild. Absolutely. How he uses them will determine the level of credit he gets...

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Thats how you set up the rebuild. Absolutely. How he uses them will determine the level of credit he gets...

I mean it's not a perfect correlation, but Sam Presti, GM of the Thunder, did exactly what you describe schudt, has OKC ready to challenge the NBA West leaders this year, and still has a ton of draft capital to leverage in next four years.

Presti is a sorcerer, and I can only hope MO replicates his performance. So far so good.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I mean it's not a perfect correlation, but Sam Presti, GM of the Thunder, did exactly what you describe schudt, has OKC ready to challenge the NBA West leaders this year, and still has a ton of draft capital to leverage in next four years.

Presti is a sorcerer, and I can only hope MO replicates his performance. So far so good.

Holy Run on Sentence Batman!

 

[Proximo]

For everybody bagging on Ossenfort for not resigning Byron Murphy here is proof he tried:

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As I have said many times - Allen and Murphy had to want to come back to be able to sign them - and that isn't on Monti.

 

[kerouac9]

For everybody bagging on Ossenfort for not resigning Byron Murphy here is proof he tried:

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As I have said many times - Allen and Murphy had to want to come back to be able to sign them - and that isn't on Monti.

Did you read the article?

"Obviously lost some money, but that's not my biggest factor coming into this league," Murphy said. "A lot of people say take the money, you're good. But no, I want to go win. And I want to be in a place where it feels different."

How is Monti going to convince free agents to come here after a second consecutive season 11+ losses?